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Re: English questions

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:22 pm
by zompist
Travis B. wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:42 pm
zompist wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:13 am
Travis B. wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:36 pm "Rock" implies raw material that is unpolished, unworn, uncut. Individual stones are worn down, typically by water, whereas a "rock" does imply a rough piece of material. When you say something is made out of "stone", you imply that it is cut, and something like a "stone" countertop is normally polished. When you say that something is made out of "rock" you strongly imply that it is raw material from the earth.
I agree that rocks go with rough, natural, and big. But stones can be natural (uncut)-- e.g. stones worn smooth by water.
I think you actually repeated what I said about stones.
I was reacting to "When you say something is made out of "stone", you imply that it is cut", which I think is misleading.

FWIW, just because language is confusing, there are things called rock walls, or rock retaining walls.

Re: English questions

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:55 pm
by Travis B.
zompist wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:22 pm
Travis B. wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:42 pm
zompist wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:13 am

I agree that rocks go with rough, natural, and big. But stones can be natural (uncut)-- e.g. stones worn smooth by water.
I think you actually repeated what I said about stones.
I was reacting to "When you say something is made out of "stone", you imply that it is cut", which I think is misleading.
That is a function of how the same noun may have different meanings when used as a count noun versus a mass noun.
zompist wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:22 pm FWIW, just because language is confusing, there are things called rock walls, or rock retaining walls.
That is true, but I would expect the pieces that make up a "stone wall" to be more finely cut or worn down than those that make up a "rock wall".

That said, "rock climbing walls" need not contain any rock material at all.