Zompist Bboard Again

bradrn wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:43 am

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:35 pm My poor palatals can't ever last. Oh,well.

That’s entirely my fault; I don’t like palatals. In fact, I loathe palatals, especially when ignorant people try to contrast them with palatal-alveolars. That is why I destroy palatals when I see them; I wish to erase all palatals from the world! Death to all palatals!! Bwa-ha-ha-ha-hããã!!!

(At this point I should probably be stroking a white cat or something while maniacally laughing, but all I have is a rather cute tabby who is currently sleeping. Ah well.)

Also, in case you’ve noticed, I don’t like [y] either. But in deference to your complaint, I have refrained from eliminating both palatals and [y] from your text.

[ˈwiɐ.lʉn ɨn dɐi ˈɟʑyʃ.ʃɨn wɔnsɐ ðɐi sɛɹɛnt ɹɛːt wʉɐ ˈˀkɐnsɨʃʉsɨt ðɐi 'ʑiɐstɛst mi'jɛttɨˌwi ˌɹɐmɨnˈswɔʉʃɨnnɛn ɨn ˈɕist.tɨ.wi ‖ wiɛ 'ɔʉ.wɨn ˈʃʉɐ.kɨk.sɨˌwiɛt wiɛ ɛnˈwɐʃɨˌtɛnsɨt 'wɛʉʃɨˌɕi ɛnt wʉˈsɐi.ə.ɕi | ˈhʉɐˌʃʉɐ tɛs'twok.kʃɨn | mɐʃ ˌtippʉɐˈswɔʉʃɨn.nɛn | ɛnt ɛˈmɐnʃ ɟʑyʃʃɐ ɟʑiɛ tʃɛʉ ʃəm'vɛtt | ɨɕɕiɐˈwɔʉʃɨn | ɛkkˈsɸʉɐʒə | tɨˈʒɐi | ɛnt ˈmɛɕc.cɕiɐ.wɛn]

1. Disappearance of preglottalisation
2. ʃ ʒ → ʂ ʐ
3. iɛ → iə, iV → jV, #wj → #uj; ʉV → wV, ww → uw
4. ɹ → ∅
5. ˈV₁jV₂C → ˈV₁jC
6. ‘Labial–velar chain shift’: ɸ w → ɸ β → p b; k kk → w k; c cɕ → k
7. Regressive voicing assimilation in newly-formed clusters (with some associated geminate shortening)

At this point, the government becomes sick of the revolving-door orthography and associated constant warfare between the various groups, and legislates the ‘Nyoo Funetik Alfabet Akt 2198’, criminalising ‘ol uttempts to wilfilee and malishuslee alter dhe speling ov dhe Ingglish Langwij’, to general acclaim. No further orthographical changes are attempted after this.

[ˈuj.lʉn ɨn dɐi ˈɟʑyʂ.ʂɨn bɔnsɐ ðɐi sɛ.ɛnt ɛːt ubɐ ˈwɐnsɨʂʉsɨt ðɐi 'ʑjɐstɛst mi'jɛttɨˌbi ˌɐmɨnˈzbɔʉʂɨnnɛn ɨn ˈɕist.tɨ.bi ‖ ujə 'ɔʉ.bɨn ˈʐbɐ.wɨw.sɨbˌjɛt ujə ɛnˈbɐʂɨˌtɛnsɨt 'bɛʉʂɨˌɕi ɛnt bʉˈsɐj.ɕi | ˈɦbɐˌʐbɐ tɛz'dbo.kʂɨn | mɐʂ ˌtibbɐˈzbɔʉʂɨn.nɛn | ɛnt ɛˈmɐnʂ ɟʑyʂʂɐ ɟʑjə tʂɛʉ ʂəm'vɛtt | ɨɕɕjɐˈbɔʉʂɨn | ɛɡˈzbɐʐə | tɨˈʐɐi | ɛnt ˈmɛɕk.kjɐ.bɛn]

Ujlʉn yn dai Djüṣṣyn Bonsa dhai Seent Eet Uba wansyṣʉsyt dhai zjastest mijettybi amynzbouṣynnen yn sjisttybi. Uyə oubyn ẓbawywsybjet uyə enbaṣytensyt beuṣysji ent bʉsajsji. Hbaẓba tezdbokṣyn, maṣ tibbazbouṣynnen, ent emanṣ djüṣṣa djə tṣeu ṣəmvett, yssjabouṣyn, egzbaẓə, tyẓai, ent mesjkkjaben.

• [ɕ] > [çj], but [j] drops out before [i]
• [ɨ] tenses to [i], [ə] merges with [ɔ] in isolation, but [y] after [j]; [ɔ o] merge to [ɔ]
• The new [i] triggers even more palatalisation, [ʂ s] > [ɕ], [t] > [cɕ], [k] > [c] > [cç]
• [uj, wiw] > [jy]
• A consonant before a string of two or more of the same consonant will insert an epinthetic [ʉ], except palatals instead eject [i]; at the beginning of the word, [ʉ] is inserted before or into a string of consonants; in these cases, [n] does not usually trigger epenthesis. Consonants at the end of a word that are not [n] also receive [ʉ]
• Voiceless stops devoice, with single [p] > [ɸ]; and further > [w] medially, but geminating in coda before [j]
• [t] > [ts] before [ʉ]
• [v] > [w]
• Remaining sequences of anything other than [n] + consonant tend to become geminates, [ʂ] > [s]
• [wi] > [jy]
• Diphthongs smooth [ɐi~ɐj] > [eː], [ɔʉ] > [oː], [ɛʉ] > [joː]
• [l] > [j]
  
  [ˈjy.jyn in teː ˈɟʑyɕ.ɕin ɸɔnsɐ teː sɛ.ɛn.tsʉ ɛː.tsʉ uwɐ ˌwɐn.ɕi.sʉ'ɕi.tsʉ teː ʑjɐt'tɛt.tsʉ mi'jɛc.cɕiˌjy ˌɐminʉp'poːɕin.nɛn in ˈçisʉ.ccɕi.jy ‖ ujy 'oː.jyn ˈʉppɐ.jy.ɕipˌpjɛ.tsʉ ujy ɛnˈpɐ.ɕiˌtɛn'ɕi.tsʉ 'pjoː.ɕiˌçi ɛn.tsʉ ɸʉˈseː.çi | ʉp'pɐp.pɐ tɛppʉ'wɔɕ.ɕin | mɐ.sʉ ˌcɕip.pɐp'poːɕin.nɛn | ɛn.tsʉ ɛˈmɐnsʉ ɟʑyssɐ ɟʑjy cɕjoː sɔ.mʉ'wɛt.tsʉ | iççjɐˈwoːɕin | ɛ.kʉp.pɐ.zɔ | cɕiˈzeː | ɛn.tsʉ mɛ'ɕic.cçjɐ.bɛn]
  
  Changes occurred a large migration to a Japanese-speaking environment, and were partly conditioned by the superstratum language, which was a very conservative variety; the Government there prescribing the following Katakana orthography. There are talks of introducing Kanji, but these are met with reluctance by some, and excitement by others.
  
  ユユン　イン　テイ　ヂュッシン　ホンサ　テイ　セセンツ　エイツ　ウワ　ワンシスシツ　テイ　ヂャッテツ　ミエッチユ　アミヌッポウシンネン　イン　ヒスッチユ。ウユ　オウユン　ウッパユシッピェツ　ウユ　エンバシ　テンシツ　ビョウシヒ　エンツ　フセイヒ、ウッパッパ　テップヲッシン、マス　チッパッポウシンネン、エンツ　エマンス　ヂュッサ　ヂュ　チョウ　ソムヱツ、イッヒャヲウシン、エクッパゾ、チゼイ、エンツ　メシッキャベン。
  
  Yuyun in tei jusshin fonsa tei sesentsu entsu uwa wanshisushitsu tei juttentsu miecchiyu amasuppoushinnen in hisucchiyu. Uyu ouyun uppayushippyetsu uyu enpashi tenshitsu pyoushihi entsu fuseihi, uppappa teppuwosshin, masu chippappoushinnen, entsu emansu jussa ju chou somuwettsu, ihhyawoushin, ekuppazo, shizei, entsu messhikkyaben.
  
  Is it destroyed enough now that I've turned it into Japanese?

Otto Kretschmer wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:35 pm

Maybe something Bantu this time? With clicks at best

Edit, not. German

Die Schlacht von Kursk war die größte Panzerschlacht der Geschichte. Es wurde von der Roten Armee gewonnen, obwohl es schwerere Verluste gab.

[di: ʃlaxt fɔn kʊɐ̯sk va:ɐ̯ di: gʁœstə pant͡sɐʃlaxt de:ɐ̯ gəʃɪçtə ɛs vʊɐ̯də fɔn de:ɐ̯ ʁo:tən aɐ̯me: gəvɔnən ɔpvo:l ɛs ʃve:ʁəʁə fɛɐ̯lʊstə ga:p]

• [ʃ] > [s] before consonants, [s] > [z] before voiced consonants
• [x] > [w] after [a], [v] > [w], [ç] > [j] preconsonantally
• Deletion of pretonic [ə], and medial [ə] following a stressed syllable if an illegal cluster would be produced; terminal [ə] is not affected;
• Remaining [ə], and [a], merge with [ɐ], [ɐɐ̯] > [ɐː] > [aː]
• [ʊ] > [o] before [ɐ̯]
• [ɐ̯] becomes a distinct syllable, usually with excrescence from the preceding vowel
• [g] > [ɣ] > [x]

• [l] > [j] after consonants;
• Long vowel breaking, [aː] > [æa] > [ɛa]; [iː] > [əi] > [ei], but not terminally, wihere [iː] > [ij] happens instead; [oː] > [uə] > [uo]; [eː] > [ie];
• Vowels tend to mutate depending on the following syllable: [o ɔ uo e ei] > [a a oa a ai], [œ ʊ] > [o o], [ɪ] > [e] before [a ɐ]; [ɛa] > [ɛː] before [i];
• Deletion of intervocalic [h] after short vowels, producing new vowel coalescences, [aɐ] > [aː], or following short vowels to produce long ones;
• The formal orthography undergoes only a few very minor changes, but the informal one is updated to reflect the various sound changes.

1. sj → ʃ
2. C₁C₂ → C₂ː / when both are fricatives
3. ð θ → v f; v → w; ww → uw
4. ij → yi
5. [+round] V → w V
6. ʁw xw dw pw mw → ɣʷ xʷ bʷ pʷ mʷ; ɣʷ → w
7. Vowel hiatus broken up with semivowel (I interpret [ai] as a diphthong and [ɛa aiː] as hiatus)

bradrn wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:02 am And: the Spelling Wars, so recently started in England (assuming the changes are contemporaneous), spread to Germany, making a mess of things.

• Dissimilation of [bʷ] > [dʷ], [mʷ] > [nʷ]
• [xʷ] > [f]
• Insertion of [ɐ] in the middle to break up initial geminates
• [ʁ] merges with remaining [x]; [x] is lost between vowels, intervocalic geminate [xː] reduces to [x]
• Smoothing of [aw ɐo awɐ] > [oː oː oːu], [ai ɛja ajiː] > [ɛː ɛːi ɛːi], [ije] > [iː], [o] > [oː] by analogy
• Stressed short vowels in open syllables are lengthened; long vowels in unstressed syllables are shortened; if shortening would occur before ar stressed short closed syllable, quantitative metathesis occurs instead;
• [sk] > [ʃ]; a certain word regains an initial [ʃ] as a reading pronunciation;
• Spelling wars continue, naturally, with some sort of Scandinavianist Romanticist movement trying to make a "New Style" spelling:

• Corrected a missed change;
• Unstressed words like the definite articles reduce; [ɡʷi] > [gɪ] > [gjə], [dɛ̂ːh] > [dɛh] > [dəh], [dîh] > [dih] > [djəh];
• Metathesis of stressed [jə] > [əj] after [w]; elsewhere [jə] > [je], [wəj] > [we]
• Long vowels without falling tone are shortened, resulting [ɛi] undergoes metathesis to [iɛ]
• [k g x] > [cɕj ɟʑj çj] before front vowels, > [cɕ ɟʑ ç] before [j]; [t d] > [cɕ ɟʑ] before [j]; [ʃ] > [ɕ] before [i j]
• Fortition of initial [çç xx ff ww] > [cç kx pf gʷw]
• Fortition of final [h] > [x~ç]
• Yet more changes to New Style orthography, Old Style is untouched.

• VN > Ṽ / _#
• V > Ṽ / _n
• n > ∅ / _{f,v,s}
• {n,m} > ∅ / C_#
• ɐ̃ > ɑ̃
• V'CCV > VC'CV
• ɟʑ > ɟ͡ʝ
• cç > c͡ç
• x > χ
• kχ > q͡χ
• ɕ > x

• Stress the leftmost H-toned syllable immediately followed by a Low toned
  syllable,
  Else stress the leftmost H-toned syllable,
  Else stress the leftmost M-toned syllable immediately followed by a Low toned syllable,
  Else stress the leftmost syllable
• ǀˣ > ǀʰ

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:53 am Are we really done with German?

1. palatals → palato-alveolars
2. nasal harmony: entire word becomes nasalised if any nasal phonemes are present (note particularly: f ʃ ʔ → w̃ j̃ ŋ)
3. unstressed word-final vowels → ∅
4. tone split: stressed vowels lower in pitch before voiced coda, raise in pitch before voiceless coda
5. final C₁C₂ → C₁; then final fricatives → h, stops → ʔ, r → ɐ̆
6. orthographists give up on old orthography entirely

Neonnaut wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:13 am Obviously I can't do much realism without being a Khoisanist.

bradrn wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:51 amLet’s do something a bit more interesting, like, I dunno, Tsʼixa:

• ɲ > ŋ
• ı̃ > iɲ
• b > β /V_V
• c > s
• {o, u} > ø y / _{e, i}
• i > j / i_V
• Cʼ > C