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Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:03 pm
by Estav
Travis B. wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:19 pm
anteallach wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:11 pm
I don't have affrication in either
front room or
restroom; the latter isn't really used in my dialect anyway. One other curious example where I do have affrication is the brand name
Land Rover; indeed I recall being slightly surprised the first time I noticed it was actually written as two words.
One curious example of me misanalyzing a word as a kid is [ˈwɘ̃ːn(t)ˌtʃʰɘ(ː)ɯ̯], which I analyzed as
windshield /ˈwɪndˌʃild/ rather than the correct
windchill /ˈwɪndˌtʃɪl/ because there's very little difference between /ndʃ/ and /ndtʃ/ phonetically IMD, because final /ld/ is unstable IMD and is readily realized without the stop (so hence my mind easily added a /d/ that did not exist), and because the distinction between /il/ and /ɪl/ is not very salient IMD (e.g. one can very often hear laxing in
r[ɪ]
lly here).
I have /ɪ/ in
really but it's specific to that word (
real has /i/). I also have /ɪ/ in the contractions
she'll, he'll, we'll (If I don't just have schwa/a syllabic consonant), which I see as similar to how the diphthong of
I is often reduced in
I'll, giving /ɑl/.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:18 am
by jal
Re bedroom, I think I have /d/ as [ɖ] because of the following [ɻ]. But I'm not a native speaker, so that doesn't count :D.
JAL
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:25 pm
by Travis B.
Does anyone else here have TRAP rather than DRESS in ketchup? Mind you, my TRAP is similar to most non-Inland North-speakers' DRESS, but I certainly do not have my DRESS in ketchup as I have [ɛ] rather than *[ɜ] in it.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:51 pm
by Znex
jal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:18 am
Re bedroom, I think I have /d/ as [ɖ] because of the following [ɻ]. But I'm not a native speaker, so that doesn't count
.
A lot of English speakers do have retroflex assimilation like that, but it usually becomes an affricate rather than remaining a true stop.
eg. My AuE idiolect:
train [tʂɻ̥ɛɪ̯n]
drain [d̥ʐɻɛɪ̯n] vs.
chain [tʃɛɪ̯n]
Jane [d̥ʒɛɪ̯n] vs.
attain [əˈtʰɛɪ̯n]
Dane [d̥ɛɪ̯n]
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:36 am
by bradrn
Znex wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:51 pm
jal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:18 am
Re bedroom, I think I have /d/ as [ɖ] because of the following [ɻ]. But I'm not a native speaker, so that doesn't count
.
A lot of English speakers do have retroflex assimilation like that, but it usually becomes an affricate rather than remaining a true stop.
eg. My AuE idiolect:
train [tʂɻ̥ɛɪ̯n]
drain [d̥ʐɻɛɪ̯n] vs.
chain [tʃɛɪ̯n]
Jane [d̥ʒɛɪ̯n] vs.
attain [əˈtʰɛɪ̯n]
Dane [d̥ɛɪ̯n]
I have the same thing, though after recent experiences I’ve concluded that my accent is more South African than Australian.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:29 am
by anteallach
Znex wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:51 pm
jal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:18 am
Re bedroom, I think I have /d/ as [ɖ] because of the following [ɻ]. But I'm not a native speaker, so that doesn't count
.
A lot of English speakers do have retroflex assimilation like that, but it usually becomes an affricate rather than remaining a true stop.
eg. My AuE idiolect:
train [tʂɻ̥ɛɪ̯n]
drain [d̥ʐɻɛɪ̯n] vs.
chain [tʃɛɪ̯n]
Jane [d̥ʒɛɪ̯n] vs.
attain [əˈtʰɛɪ̯n]
Dane [d̥ɛɪ̯n]
Indeed, but the oddity of
bedroom (at least in my idiolect) is that this does not normally happen across a morpheme boundary, but in
bedroom it does.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:29 am
by anteallach
bradrn wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:36 am
Znex wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:51 pm
jal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:18 am
Re bedroom, I think I have /d/ as [ɖ] because of the following [ɻ]. But I'm not a native speaker, so that doesn't count
.
A lot of English speakers do have retroflex assimilation like that, but it usually becomes an affricate rather than remaining a true stop.
eg. My AuE idiolect:
train [tʂɻ̥ɛɪ̯n]
drain [d̥ʐɻɛɪ̯n] vs.
chain [tʃɛɪ̯n]
Jane [d̥ʒɛɪ̯n] vs.
attain [əˈtʰɛɪ̯n]
Dane [d̥ɛɪ̯n]
I have the same thing, though after recent experiences I’ve concluded that my accent is more South African than Australian.
In what ways, out of interest?
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:54 am
by bradrn
anteallach wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:29 am
bradrn wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:36 am
Znex wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:51 pm
A lot of English speakers do have retroflex assimilation like that, but it usually becomes an affricate rather than remaining a true stop.
eg. My AuE idiolect:
train [tʂɻ̥ɛɪ̯n]
drain [d̥ʐɻɛɪ̯n] vs.
chain [tʃɛɪ̯n]
Jane [d̥ʒɛɪ̯n] vs.
attain [əˈtʰɛɪ̯n]
Dane [d̥ɛɪ̯n]
I have the same thing, though after recent experiences I’ve concluded that my accent is more South African than Australian.
In what ways, out of interest?
Not entirely sure, to be honest… it’s more of a general perception of myself vs SAE speakers on the one hand and AuE speakers on the other, plus the fact that people invariably tell me I sound South African. (Though curiously enough, when I look at the usual vowel transcriptions, I seem much closer to AuE than SAE.)
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:07 pm
by Raphael
Basketball.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:52 pm
by Darren
Raphael wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:07 pmBasketball.
[ˈbaːskəʔˌbʊˑu̯(ɫʷ)]
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 5:48 pm
by Travis B.
Raphael wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:07 pmBasketball.
[ˈb̥ɛskɘʔˌpɒ(ː)o̯]
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:58 am
by anteallach
Raphael wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:07 pmBasketball.
[ˈbaskɪtbɔːɫ]
I'd be curious to know which aspect of it you were asking about, as for me, and I think most others, it's simply
basket+
ball, with the stress on the former.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:49 am
by Raphael
anteallach wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:58 am
I'd be curious to know which aspect of it you were asking about, as for me, and I think most others, it's simply
basket+
ball, with the stress on the former.
Mainly the first "a" and the "t". I'm asking because of the weird way it is often pronounce by Germans, who usually pronounce the "a" as [a:] and sometimes treat the "t" as silent.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:08 am
by bradrn
Raphael wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:07 pmBasketball.
[ˈbɑːskət̚ˌboˑw]
(I
think the two [b]s might be devoiced, but I’m really unsure… I tried looking at a spectogram, but if anything it made me less confident about the voicing status!)
Raphael wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:49 am
anteallach wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:58 am
I'd be curious to know which aspect of it you were asking about, as for me, and I think most others, it's simply
basket+
ball, with the stress on the former.
Mainly the first "a" and the "t". I'm asking because of the weird way it is often pronounce by Germans, who usually pronounce the "a" as [a:] and sometimes treat the "t" as silent.
Well, it looks like almost everyone who’s responded so far has some kind of unreleased stop for the [t], so it makes sense for that phoneme at least.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:53 pm
by anteallach
The [t] in mine is unreleased too.
It's a BATH word, so it's not surprising that Germans use a long vowel.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:47 am
by Nortaneous
idempotent
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 2:35 am
by Estav
/ˈaɪdəmˌpoʊtənt/ [ˈaɪɾəmˌpʰoʊʔn̩ˀt]
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:17 am
by Travis B.
[ˌəːe̯ɾm̩ˈpʰo̞ʔn̩ʔ]~[ˌəːe̯ɾm̩ˈpʰo̞tɘ̃ʔ]~[ˌəːe̯ɾm̩ˈpʰo̞tɘ̃ʔt]
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:58 pm
by Travis B.
How do you pronounce hundred when you're not paying attention (i.e. not the careful, formal pronunciation) or, in particular, if you are saying something like two hundred and fifty six?
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:42 pm
by salem
Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:58 pm
How do you pronounce
hundred when you're not paying attention (i.e. not the careful, formal pronunciation) or, in particular, if you are saying something like
two hundred and fifty six?
Something like [ˈhɐnd͡ʒɹ̠ˠɘd̚], [ˈtʰɨː‿ɐ̯nd͡ʒɹ̠ˠɘdⁿ‿n̩ ˈfɘfti ˈsɘks].