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Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 12:46 pm Håmwo väh dats'jitåġåt.
[xʷɒmwo vʲæx datsʼjitʰɒɣʷɒtʰ]
/xʷam=wə vʲax datsʼ-jɨ-tʰa-ɣʷa-tʰ/
people.A=GEN tongue.B practice-3.SG.B-1.SG.EXCL-DESIRE-DIR
I want to practice Håmwo Väh.

Duales Hercuan:

Ca \Håmwo väh/? Se útro, se ebavo, pill' avura, nadello eidaja!
What.Q Håmwo väh / PROX game / PROX music / around.DIST.F truth / 1sA-want-PRES 3sP-know.noun-PAST
"What is 'Håmwo väh'? A game, a style of music, verily I want to know!"

Pedant wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:33 pm Duales Hercuan:

Ca \Håmwo väh/? Se útro, se ebavo, pill' avura, nadello eidaja!
What.Q Håmwo väh / PROX game / PROX music / around.DIST.F truth / 1sA-want-PRES 3sP-know.noun-PAST
"What is 'Håmwo väh'? A game, a style of music, verily I want to know!"

Håmwo vähna väh nijinen.
[xʷɒmwo vʲæxna vʲæx nijiɲen]
/xʷam=wə vʲax=na vʲax nɨ-jɨ-ɲə-n/
people.A=GEN tongue.B=AGT tongue.B EQU-3.SG.B.3SG.B-INDIR
The tongue of the people is a tongue.

(What is unstated is that väh means both literally "tongue" and "language", like Latin lingua.)

Håmwo väh haðåsäjihánxû miûqâmijegëtat.
[xʷɒmwo vʲæx xaꜜðɒsʷæjixaːnχɯ mʲɯqʰɑꜜmijeɡətʰatʰ]
/xʷam=wə vʲax xáda-sʷa-jɨ-xaːn-χɨ mʲɨqʰá-mɨ-jə-kʰə-tʰa-tʰ/
people.A=GEN tongue.B work-PASS-3.SG.B-ITER-GER decide-3.SG.E-PST.PFV-RETRO-1.SG.EXCL-DIR
I have decided to rework Håmwo Väh.

Dá loranûân t'yva maharatåbösinsät.
[daːꜜ ɫʷoranɯɑ̯n tʼɨβa maxaꜜratʰɒbʷøɕinɕætʰ]
/dáː ɫʷə-ra-nɨʁ-an tʼɨba maxá-ra-tʰa-pʷə-ɕɨn-ɕa-tʰ/
"D" stand-3.SG.D-UNDER-INDIR dot.D scratch-3.SG.D-1.SG.EXCL-ABILITY-DOWN-NEG-DIR
I can't type D-with-underdot.

Bimguḫa bago laugḫa ṭaðeri.

bim-guḫa

good-shape

bago

much

lau-gḫa

again-shape

ṭaðeri

CL3-want

A good creation requires a lot of reworking.

Ares Land wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 4:18 am A good creation requires a lot of reworking.

milalon tayo petsak
Your words are not tender. (what you say is profound)

Skin a klami pwaya juti a don.
The skin is moist before the work is done.


JAL

Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:44 pm Dá loranûân t'yva maharatåbösinsät.
[daːꜜ ɫʷoranɯɑ̯n tʼɨβa maxaꜜratʰɒbʷøɕinɕætʰ]
/dáː ɫʷə-ra-nɨʁ-an tʼɨba maxá-ra-tʰa-pʷə-ɕɨn-ɕa-tʰ/
"D" stand-3.SG.D-UNDER-INDIR dot.D scratch-3.SG.D-1.SG.EXCL-ABILITY-DOWN-NEG-DIR
I can't type D-with-underdot.

Be paatli ndil siwe: ḍḍḍḍḍḍḍḍ ḌḌḌḌḌḌḌḌ. (Ni daa wiilets waq dawa be ngen ndeqisi ngen khiibud bin.)

I help you do: ḍḍḍḍḍḍḍḍ ḌḌḌḌḌḌḌḌ. (You also touch do good I POSS place-d POSS ‘keyboard’ possibly.)

Here you go: ḍḍḍḍḍḍḍḍ ḌḌḌḌḌḌḌḌ. (You may also find my keyboard layout helpful.)

bradrn wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:25 am (You may also find my keyboard layout helpful.)[/i]

Lynyksë deräzåraña väza nymytat...
[lɨ̃ːkʰsə derʲæꜜzʷɒraŋa vʲæꜜza nɨmɨtʰatʰ]
/lɨnɨkʰsə dərʲá-sʷa-ra-ŋa vʲáza nɨ-mɨ-tʰa-tʰ/
Linux.D use-PASS-3.SG.D-AGT however use-3.SG.E-1.SG.EXCL-DIR
But I am a Linux user...

bradrn wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:25 am (You may also find my keyboard layout helpful.)[/i]

Lynyksowo gima q'oma ñåġomyn.
[lɨ̃ːkʰsowo ɟima qʷʼoma ŋʷɒɣʷomɨn]
/lɨnɨkʰsə=wə ɟɨma qʷʼəma ŋʷaɡʷə-mɨ-n/
Linux.D=GEN version.E real exist-3.SG.E-INDIR
Actually, there is a Linux version.

jal wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:11 am Skin a klami pwaya juti a don.
The skin is moist before the work is done.

Mi gen wain araugha??

Mi

MIR

gen

Q

wain

STA

araug-ha

say-what

What is this about??

Dura e guḫa hemoh teṭtoran. Boqag tamrah.

dura

sweat

e

and

guḫa

shape

he-moh

1SBJ-think

te-ṭ-tor-an

3.OBJ-CL3-speak.of-IPFV

bo-qag

POT-exist

ṭamrah

proverb

'I think he's talking about sweat and labor. It must be a proverb.'

Travis B. wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:21 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:25 am (You may also find my keyboard layout helpful.)[/i]

Lynyksowo gima q'oma ñåġomyn.
[lɨ̃ːkʰsowo ɟima qʷʼoma ŋʷɒɣʷomɨn]
/lɨnɨkʰsə=wə ɟɨma qʷʼəma ŋʷaɡʷə-mɨ-n/
Linux.D=GEN version.E real exist-3.SG.E-INDIR
Actually, there is a Linux version.

Paatli bal fawetl naadu qi waq thaŋ may! Qi daa maag fas Linux lhiise thabu ŋay…

give me say how.much it do DEF.SG please! I also NEG stand Linux perceive densely it…

Please tell me how well it works! I haven’t tested it very much on Linux…

Ares Land wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 4:09 am'I think he's talking about sweat and labor. It must be a proverb.'

Fo ray. Yu tok se "gut tingk-op won nof fis-op", an nes masako tok se "yu woh-dem in sof (wo yu tok a se-ol)", an nes mi tok se "skin a klami pwaya juti a don", wo ste Sajiwa seying.
Indeed. You said "a good creation requires a lot of reworking", and then masako said "your words are not tender (what you say is profound)", an then I said "the skin is moist before the work is done", which is a Sajiwan proverb.


JAL

bradrn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:57 am

Travis B. wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:21 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:25 am (You may also find my keyboard layout helpful.)[/i]

Lynyksowo gima q'oma ñåġomyn.
[lɨ̃ːkʰsowo ɟima qʷʼoma ŋʷɒɣʷomɨn]
/lɨnɨkʰsə=wə ɟɨma qʷʼəma ŋʷaɡʷə-mɨ-n/
Linux.D=GEN version.E real exist-3.SG.E-INDIR
Actually, there is a Linux version.

Paatli bal fawetl naadu qi waq thaŋ may! Qi daa maag fas Linux lhiise thabu ŋay…

give me say how.much it do DEF.SG please! I also NEG stand Linux perceive densely it…

Please tell me how well it works! I haven’t tested it very much on Linux…

Müġåmisät.
[mʲyɣʷɒꜜmiɕætʰ]
/mʲɨɣʷá-mɨ-ɕa-tʰ/
function-3.SG.E-NEG-DIR
It doesn't work.

(Specifically I can't get my machine to recognize AltGr without AltGr being treated as a regular Alt key by something else, which causes a load of problems in practice, and when it doesn't treat AltGr as Alt it either ignores it or it doesn't handle dead keys right, e.g. it inserts a '-' without actually applying a diacritic to the following letter.)

boqago ṭahnu sade, ro ṭahsna, e pe tṭahah 'French keyboard'-n

POT-be-SBJ

bo-qag-o

ṭah-nu

CL3-INST

sa-de

me-DAT

/

ro

or

ṭah-sna

CL3-similar

,

e

and

pe

not

tṭah-ah

ANTIP\give-PRF

'French keyboard'-n

French.keyboard-INST

'I could use it, or something like it, but it won't work with a French keyboard.'

qaagwer hedauqomšas

qaagwer

translation(CL8)

he-dau-qomšas

1-CL8-POT\attempt-FUT

'I should attempt an adaptation...'

Ares Land wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:47 am boqago ṭahnu sade, ro ṭahsna, e pe tṭahah 'French keyboard'-n

POT-be-SBJ

bo-qag-o

ṭah-nu

CL3-INST

sa-de

me-DAT

/

ro

or

ṭah-sna

CL3-similar

,

e

and

pe

not

tṭah-ah

ANTIP\give-PRF

'French keyboard'-n

French.keyboard-INST

'I could use it, or something like it, but it won't work with a French keyboard.'

qaagwer hedauqomšas

qaagwer

translation(CL8)

he-dau-qomšas

1-CL8-POT\attempt-FUT

'I should attempt an adaptation...'

Be mah qi ngeŋ thalaŋ fawetli tleŋ ndiyam AZERTY bin, thalaŋ mbu naak qi di maag fawetl tleŋ wanaŋ mandaŋ ŋay.

I do it POSS line speak-PPRT DEF.PL become AZERTY perhaps, line but what it can NEG speak DEF.PL difficult pass it.

I can try to convert the letters to AZERTY, but the punctuation would be more difficult.

Nu ni pésun prodinai.
PRTC. NEG bake-PRET.NONACT.1SG yesterday
I didn't bake yesterday.

Mi swel in bek non, oba mi dota bek mi fi im bek kek :D.
I also didn't bake anything, but my daughter asked me to bake a cake [i.e. she wanted to bake one].

bek means both "to bake" and "to ask" (from "beg"; there's also as but obviously I had to use bek here :)). It's a patientive ambitransitive, so needs a direct object to avoid the reading that the subject is baking or being baked. Sajiwan allows subjects in "to" clauses (what is their official linguistic name?), so can distinguish between fi bek kek ("to bake a cake", most likely understood to be done by the subject of the main clause) and fi im bek kek ("to bake a cake by him/her").


JAL

wa na may sau nai mɔ̃n tu
1.sg.ACC NOM cat change DAT mother today
“My cat became a mother today"