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Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:17 am
by sangi39
Moose-tache wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:41 am
Given that the longest she can go is a little over two years, does it even matter if she calls an "early" election?
Besides, who cares? It's not like British elections have multiple possible outcomes.
EDIT: Sorry, that was unfair. There are two possible outcomes to British elections. Either the people say they want the Conservatives, and the Conservatives win, or the people say they want literally anyone but the Conservatives, and the Conservatives win.
It's more of a general sense of curiosity than anything else, to be fair
Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 4:28 pm
by Raphael
alice wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:09 am
She's now going to unite her party, [..]
Wait, is her party disunited right now? I hadn't noticed that, but then again, I haven't really followed British politics much lately.
Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:17 am
by MacAnDàil
Well, there was some stiff words over the past leadership election and Sunak and his supporters are out of the cabinet, even if most of the other candidates have been included.
Moose-tache wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:41 am
Given that the longest she can go is a little over two years, does it even matter if she calls an "early" election?
Besides, who cares? It's not like British elections have multiple possible outcomes.
EDIT: Sorry, that was unfair. There are two possible outcomes to British elections. Either the people say they want the Conservatives, and the Conservatives win, or the people say they want literally anyone but the Conservatives, and the Conservatives win.
British elections have been going for a fair bit longer than the past twelve years.
Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:20 am
by bradrn
Something’s happened to the Queen. We haven’t been told what, precisely; I just hope that she is OK and can get through whatever has happened.
Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:13 am
by Moose-tache
MacAnDàil wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:17 am
Moose-tache wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:41 am
EDIT: Sorry, that was unfair. There are two possible outcomes to British elections. Either the people say they want the Conservatives, and the Conservatives win, or the people say they want literally anyone but the Conservatives, and the Conservatives win.
British elections have been going for a fair bit longer than the past twelve years.
Very true. Prior to 2010 there was a third possibility: someone calling themselves Labour gets voted into government, and the conservatives win.
Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 1:31 pm
by Man in Space
Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 1:54 pm
by Ryusenshi
I played "God Save the Queen" by the Sex Pistols, for the same reason.
Also, this:
Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:12 pm
by Raphael
I'm a bit surprised that Charles is actually going with "Charles III". There had been speculations that he might choose a more ... ... auspicious "regnal name".
Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:18 pm
by Travis B.
Somehow King Charles III (it seems so weird to even say that) does not seem like he can replace the Queen...
Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:24 pm
by Raphael
Long ago - I think in the 1990s - I read a magazine feature on the British Royals that at one point quoted one commentator who pointed out that for Charles's entire adult life, his job has been to wait for his mother to die. I guess that kind of thing would have weird psychological effects on me after a while, too.
Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:23 pm
by Moose-tache
I mean, technically, that's how any family business works. It's probably no worse than waiting to take over the convenience store, except you get a new hat out of it.
Oh God, I just pictured Charles giving the King's Speech. Can you imagine him being swallowed up by the robe like a wet rat in a blanket?
Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:10 am
by Ares Land
Raphael wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:24 pm
Long ago - I think in the 1990s - I read a magazine feature on the British Royals that at one point quoted one commentator who pointed out that for Charles's entire adult life, his job has been to wait for his mother to die. I guess that kind of thing would have weird psychological effects on me after a while, too.
I think I heard he's been king in all but name for quite some time now as he took over many of Elizabeth II's duties.
Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:35 am
by alice
For balance, the Socialist Worker is complaining about the TUC and other organisations cancelling their strike action in reponse to "the death of a monarch".
Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:46 am
by Linguoboy
Ares Land wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:10 amRaphael wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:24 pm
Long ago - I think in the 1990s - I read a magazine feature on the British Royals that at one point quoted one commentator who pointed out that for Charles's entire adult life, his job has been to wait for his mother to die. I guess that kind of thing would have weird psychological effects on me after a while, too.
I think I heard he's been king in all but name for quite some time now as he took over many of Elizabeth II's duties.
Eh, when Trump made a state visit to the UK, it wasn't Charles he demanded to meet with.
Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:57 am
by MacAnDàil
Moose-tache wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:13 am
MacAnDàil wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:17 am
Moose-tache wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:41 am
EDIT: Sorry, that was unfair. There are two possible outcomes to British elections. Either the people say they want the Conservatives, and the Conservatives win, or the people say they want literally anyone but the Conservatives, and the Conservatives win.
British elections have been going for a fair bit longer than the past twelve years.
Very true. Prior to 2010 there was a third possibility: someone calling themselves Labour gets voted into government, and the conservatives win.
While Blair and Brown might have been disappointing to many left wingers, they are distinguishable from the Tories in many respects, including introduction of devolution and democratisation of the House of Lords.
Long live the socialist worker!
Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:27 am
by Ares Land
Linguoboy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:46 am
Eh, when Trump made a state visit to the UK, it wasn't Charles he demanded to meet with.
Charles also had to meet with Trump, the poor sod.
Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:39 am
by Linguoboy
Ares Land wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:27 am
Linguoboy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:46 am
Eh, when Trump made a state visit to the UK, it wasn't Charles he demanded to meet with.
Charles also had to meet with Trump, the poor sod.
Not sure which one you're pitying here tbh.
Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:02 pm
by doctor shark
In the old days (pre-Victoria), the demise of the Crown meant a general election based on the fiction that, since the monarch summoned parliament, parliament was no longer "needed" once the monarch that summoned it was no more. Would be interesting if that were still the case...
(Likewise, all officers of the Crown would cease to hold office upon a Demise. Now this is no longer the case, possibly also because the oath of loyalty and allegiance that is sworn is to the monarch and their heirs.)
Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:09 pm
by Raphael
doctor shark wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:02 pm
In the old days (pre-Victoria), the demise of the Crown meant a general election based on the fiction that, since the monarch summoned parliament, parliament was no longer "needed" once the monarch that summoned it was no more. Would be interesting if that were still the case...
(Likewise, all officers of the Crown would cease to hold office upon a Demise. Now this is no longer the case, possibly also because the oath of loyalty and allegiance that is sworn is to the monarch and their heirs.)
In early modern Europe, the death of any monarch or high-ranking noble meant that all soldiers serving under that monarch or high-ranking noble had to take the oath to the successor as soon as their units got the news of the death, because otherwise they would have, in theory, been legally free to desert.
Re: British Politics Guide
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:53 pm
by Travis B.
Linguoboy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:39 am
Ares Land wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:27 am
Linguoboy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:46 am
Eh, when Trump made a state visit to the UK, it wasn't Charles he demanded to meet with.
Charles also had to meet with Trump, the poor sod.
Not sure which one you're pitying here tbh.
I am under the impression that the "poor sod" here is Charles...