Zompist Bboard Again

Updated a translation of "The Holly and the Ivy" to celebrate the season. It's interesting to see how the project has evolved with time. The language was designed to sound like modern-day Japanese but with more permissive phonotactic constraints and a few more phonemes, now it sounds like... that still (I should hope, that being still the objective) in many ways, but with a lot more of a Middle Japanese flavour (notably prenasalisation ended up staying on in most dialects, and /o/ frequently triggers labialisation), and the partial lengthening of the last high-pitched syllable in a word inspired by the lengthening of monomoraic nouns in Kansai-ben.

柊き と 蘿い
茂えば 期で、
森 ろ 杝ら 辺
柊き 冠れ！

昜の暁は、
鹿の走ゐは、
筑の楽は、
歌ひの爽！
歌ひの爽…

Tesséki (Hiragana): Romanisation: Phonetics: Gloss: Back-Translation:

inkayohua mankahapua ma na kuetsan yaso
This 'week of flowers' has been very cold and I am ready for spring!

To's pi, seftundinin flómarun?
that-N.SG.NOM be-3SG.PRES.ACT.CLIT what-N.SG.NOM, week-SG.NOM flower-PL.GEN
What's that, week of flowers?

hina na nkayohuan moyaye
I wrote about the week of flowers here.

jĩn lysy ɲɛjɛɛ nɛɛr
yesterday history tomorrow mystery
“Yesterday is history, tomorrow’s a mystery”

Gen yaden aguroureh ram inen? Na yaden edih erini memun?
How much do you control your day? Do you plan your working hours?

foxcatdog wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:00 pm jĩn lysy ɲɛjɛɛ nɛɛr
yesterday history tomorrow mystery
“Yesterday is history, tomorrow’s a mystery”

Hie zyeu nyogai lu bwe gwe nyozie lu yo. Ha ndongoi dzu bya, doi hya.
That's why the future is behind and the past is in front. Any culture that does it differently is crazy.

Pítu, Imralu, pi feroris?
Hi Imralu, how are you?

Kos yu a wok ina di fyuca, an yu wok fes rayon, fyuca u fwonsay yu, no baksay! Olda man dem tok difa a mat!
Since you are going into the future, and since you go looking straight ahead, the future is in front of you, not in the back! Anyone who says different is crazy!


JAL

Imrålu nenäma xát säwmâxûâ vát'mat'ëhtäsät!
[iꜜmʲrɒɫʷu ɲẽæ̃ma χaːtʰꜜ ɕæwmɑχɯɑ βaːtʼꜜmatʼəxtʰæɕætʰ]
/ɨ́mʲraɫʷɨ ɲəna-ma χáːtʰ ɕaw-ma=χɨa βáːtʼ-ma-tʼəɣ-tʰa-ɕa-tʰ/
Imralu.A be.good-3.S.Ag then.A during-3.S.A=ADV see-3.S.A-PST.IPFV-1.S-NEG-DIR
Imralu, I haven't seen you for a good while!

Ġåmuñåråxûâ vähq'omlägit.
[ɣʷɒːꜜmuŋʷɒrʷɒχɯɑ vʲæxqʷʼomlæɟitʰ]
/ɣʷámɨ-ŋʷa-rʷa=χɨa vʲax-qʷʼəm-la-ɟɨ-tʰ/
day-QUALITY-SUPER=ADV tongue-make-1.S-DESIRABLE-DIR
I should conlang more.

Dzibitsi ġokuña paġasamylåbösät, sëtálġa lo nenämat'ëġan.
[dʑibitɕi ɣokʷʰuꜜŋa pʰaɣasamɨlɒbʷøɕætʰ | sətʰaːlꜜɣa ɫʷo ɲẽæ̃matʼəɣan]
/dʑɨpʰɨtɕʰɨ ɣəkʷʰɨ́-ŋa pʰaχa-sa-mɨ-la-pʷʰə-ɕa-tʰ | sətʰáːl=ɣa ɫʷə ɲəna-ma-tʼəɣ-an/
GPT talk-NOM.AGT.E think-CAUS-3.S.E-1.S-NEG-DIR | steel=GEN person.A be.good-3.S.A-PST.IPFV-INDIR
I can't convince ChatGPT that Stalin was good.

Máih náðaġere vilnamë ñuk'äre!.
[maːçꜜ naːꜜðaɣerʲe βiʎnamə ŋʷukʼærʲe]
/máːç náːda-ɣə-rʲə βɨʎna-mə ŋʷɨkʼa-rʲə/
3.P.D.PROX guard-APASS-3.P.D barrier.D-P curse-3.P.D
Damn these guardrails!

Miġäläjöpot, dzibitsi ġokuña jëkamë vimäña föråmumu.
[miꜜʝælæjøpʷʰotʰ | dʑibitɕʰi ɣokʷʰuꜜŋa jəkʰaꜜmɨ βimʲæꜜŋa fʲøꜜrʷɒmumʷu]
/mɨ́ça-la-jə-pʷʰə-tʰ | dʑɨpʰɨtɕʰɨ ɣəkʷʰɨ́-ŋa jəkʰá-mɨ βɨmʲá-ŋa fʲə́rʷa-mɨ-mʷɨ/
cause-1.S-PST.PFV-ABILITY-DIR | GPT talk-NOM.AGT.E great-3.S.E lead-NOM.AGT.E hail-3.S.E-3.S.E
I could get ChatGPT to hail the great leader.

Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:31 pm I could get ChatGPT to hail the great leader.

Wit is nus naudi sowyeticar ChatGPT.
Thus be-3SG.PRES.ACT.CLIT PRON1PL-DAT.CLIT need-SG.NOM soviet-N.SG.GEN ChatGPT.
So we need a Soviet ChatGPT.

Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 3:45 pm Ġåmuñåråxûâ vähq'omlägit.
[ɣʷɒːꜜmuŋʷɒrʷɒχɯɑ vʲæxqʷʼomlæɟitʰ]
/ɣʷámɨ-ŋʷa-rʷa=χɨa vʲax-qʷʼəm-la-ɟɨ-tʰ/
day-QUALITY-SUPER=ADV tongue-make-1.S-DESIRABLE-DIR
I should conlang more.

之れも。
「いれも。」
Ire mo.
[íˑ.ɾ̪è̞.mò̞ᵝ]
proximal.PRON also
"I (should) too."

之つ語 新イ示名を要す
「いついふと あらイしめなきをうす。」
Itsu iyu arai shimenakiyo usu.
proximal.GEN language new.ADNOMINAL indicate.name(=pronoun).ACC need.PREDICATIVE
[íˑ.t̪͡s̪ʲʰỳᵝ íˑ.jỳᵝ ɐ̞̀.ɾ̪ɛ̂ːj ɕí.mè̞.n̪ɐ̞́ˑ.c͡çʰì.jò̞ᵝ ʉ́ᵝ.s̪ʉ̀ᵝ]
"This language needs new personal pronouns."

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:23 am

Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 3:45 pm I should conlang more.

"I (should) too."

nankua kalamyane
1pl.INCL language-CAUS-PROP
We all should.

Jäġ jönmâxûâ pâxâñähimalat'ëhháfämyt.
[jæɣʷ jønʷmɑχɯɑ pʰɑχɑŋæçiꜜmalatʼəxːaːnfʲæmɨtʰ]
/jaɣʷ jənʷ-ma=χɨa pʰaχa-ŋa-çɨ́ma-la-tʼəɣ-xaːn-fʲam-ɨtʰ/
now.A before-3.S.A=ADV think-NOM.AGT.E-make-1.S-PST.IPFV-ITER-AROUND-DIR
I was busy programming before.

Wüjöw erpe sin mázin áṙojidänät.
[wyjøw erʲpʲʰe siɲ maːꜜziɲ aːꜜʁʷojidæɲætʰ]
/wɨjəw ərʲpʲʰə sɨɲ máːsɨɲ áːqʷʰə-jɨ-tʰa-ɲa-tʰ/
Wio RP 20 40 disappoint-3.S.B-1.S-INV-DIR
I am disappointed in the Wio RP2040. (Lit. The Wio RP2040 disappoints me.)

masako wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:18 pm

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:23 am

Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 3:45 pm I should conlang more.

"I (should) too."

We all should.

Wéri's nus decor plés dichten duchuwas, al is naudi plés wistérun.
really be-3SG.PRES.ACT.CLIT PRON.1PL-DAT right.thing-SG.NOM make-INF more language-PL.ACC, but be-3SG.PRES.ACT.CLIT need-SG.NOM more period-PL.GEN
We really should conlang more, but we need more time.