Zompist Bboard Again

I have [θɪ̆ŋk̚ θɐ̆ŋk̚ sɪ̆ŋk θăŋk] for think, thunk (I was trying to get a range of vowels. And it is part of my ideolect (jokingly)), sink, thank. I think your childrens' primary school is just wrong (or more likely, they introduced this because a few people started writing something like ⟨thingk⟩, and they only know of one way to teach two letters that do something 'unexpected' together)

Lērisama wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:53 am I have [θɪ̆ŋk̚ θɐ̆ŋk̚ sɪ̆ŋk θăŋk] for think, thunk (I was trying to get a range of vowels. And it is part of my ideolect (jokingly)), sink, thank. I think your childrens' primary school is just wrong (or more likely, they introduced this because a few people started writing something like ⟨thingk⟩, and they only know of one way to teach two letters that do something 'unexpected' together)

It is apparently all part of a properly researched method of phonics teaching called Read Write Inc. It sort of doesn't matter because they're going to learn to put the letters together anyhow, but I'm glad it's not just me who thinks "Eh"!

I have [θɪ̈̃ʔk θʌ̃ʔk sɪ̈̃ʔk θẽ̞ʔk], with [t̪] being an allophone of initial /θ/. (I do have thunk in my lect as a specialized computer science word rather than as passive/past participle of think.) However I have [ˈθɪ̈̃ŋ.kɘ̃(ː)ŋ] and [ˈsɪ̈̃ŋ.kɘ̃(ː)ŋ] (and -[ɘ̃(ː)(n)]) not *[ˈθɪ̈̃ʔkɘ̃(ː)ŋ] or *[ˈsɪ̈̃ʔkɘ̃(ː)ŋ]; this is sensitive to syllable boundaries for me, as the /k/ syllabifies to the next syllable if an affix beginning with a vowel is attached, which inhibits preglottalization and nasal elision.

evmdbm wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 5:35 pmIt's still two sounds

Obviously. And whether it's actual allophony in words like "think" is debatable, as /ŋ/ is a phoneme. In Slavic languages it obviously is, appearing only before /k/ or /g/, so much so that many speakers of Slavic language can't manage to pronounce /ŋ/ without a plosive release


JAL

Does anyone else have Star Tr/æ/k? Note that for me it is [ɛ], but if it were /ɛ/ then it would be [ɜ] not [ɛ]. (This is similar to how the dialect here has k/æ/tchup with [ɛ], not /ɛ/ with [ɜ].)