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I would go with /ˌɔk.təˈpə͡ʉ.diːz/.Glass Half Baked wrote: ↑Mon Apr 07, 2025 7:32 pm How do you pronounce the semi-jocular plural of octopus, octopodes?
I am tempted to say ak.ta.po.diz, but I imagine some people might say ak.ta.po.diz, or even ak.ta.podz.
What is semi-jocular about octopodes? I'd rather call it high-brow, as it is the correct Latin plural. Not octopi, which is pseudo-Latin. But in English, I'd pluralize it simply as octopuses.Glass Half Baked wrote: ↑Mon Apr 07, 2025 7:32 pm How do you pronounce the semi-jocular plural of octopus, octopodes?
I would go with the same as bradrn and Travis, minus predictable dialectical differences: /ˌɔk.təˈpəw.dijz/. Your preferred way looks wrong to me, but I think that's just because of the ⟨a⟩s; my mind will never get used to unrounded LOTs, no matter how often I hear them.Glass Half Baked wrote: ↑Mon Apr 07, 2025 7:32 pm How do you pronounce the semi-jocular plural of octopus, octopodes?
I am tempted to say ak.ta.po.diz, but I imagine some people might say ak.ta.po.diz, or even ak.ta.podz.
But it's Greek isn't it? So it'd be a Greek plural.WeepingElf wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 4:23 amI'd rather call it high-brow, as it is the correct Latin plural.
Yes, you are of course right; the word is originally Greek, and as far as I know, the Greek plural is the same as the Latin plural (more precisely, the nominative plural, of course). At any rate, octopi is wrong in both Greek and Latin, and one should IMHO rather use plain English octopuses when speaking or writing English.jal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 5:37 amBut it's Greek isn't it? So it'd be a Greek plural.WeepingElf wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 4:23 amI'd rather call it high-brow, as it is the correct Latin plural.
Anyway, here's a more thorough explenation.
Second syllable stress, LOT, LOT, schwa, FLEECE.Glass Half Baked wrote: ↑Mon Apr 07, 2025 7:32 pm How do you pronounce the semi-jocular plural of octopus, octopodes?
I am tempted to say ak.ta.po.diz, but I imagine some people might say ak.ta.po.diz, or even ak.ta.podz.
Apparently you're prescriptively right (aside from that prescriptively the second syllable can also take GOAT).anteallach wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 2:54 pmSecond syllable stress, LOT, LOT, schwa, FLEECE.Glass Half Baked wrote: ↑Mon Apr 07, 2025 7:32 pm How do you pronounce the semi-jocular plural of octopus, octopodes?
I am tempted to say ak.ta.po.diz, but I imagine some people might say ak.ta.po.diz, or even ak.ta.podz.
Mullet takes STRUT while bullet takes FOOT -- the only people who can legitimately pronounce the two with the same vowels are the people who don't have the split between STRUT and FOOT in the first place.jal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 3:38 pm I caught my kids (one of which speaks English fairly well, and one of which is watching English language TikToks all day) saying "mullet" as rhyming with "bullet". They tried to convince me that's what people on TikTok say, and fair enough, there was this one TikTok presumably from the US that rhymed "mullet" with "bullet". So is this common? I'd say "mullet" with STRUT and "bullet" with FOOT.
What? I could have sworn that PUT is short and FOOT is long.
As Travis said, ⟨put⟩ anď ⟨foot⟩ share the same vowel, but I will pedantically note that ⟨bullet⟩ has an actually back [ʊ], as opposed to a [ɵ] or fronter that is more usual for the FOOT vowel, because /l/s tend to back preceding vowels¹. In German terms, I say ⟨bullet⟩ rather than ⟨büllet⟩, and I'm mostly mentioning it because it is an utter pain in learning German, probably moreso than going the other way.
Another back vowel merger!? Where in the world does this one happen?Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 3:44 pmMullet takes STRUT while bullet takes FOOT -- the only people who can legitimately pronounce the two with the same vowels are the people who don't have the split between STRUT and FOOT in the first place.jal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 3:38 pm I caught my kids (one of which speaks English fairly well, and one of which is watching English language TikToks all day) saying "mullet" as rhyming with "bullet". They tried to convince me that's what people on TikTok say, and fair enough, there was this one TikTok presumably from the US that rhymed "mullet" with "bullet". So is this common? I'd say "mullet" with STRUT and "bullet" with FOOT.
It's not a merger, it's a non-split, and it happens in northern England.jcb wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 5:08 pmAnother back vowel merger!? Where in the world does this one happen?Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 3:44 pmMullet takes STRUT while bullet takes FOOT -- the only people who can legitimately pronounce the two with the same vowels are the people who don't have the split between STRUT and FOOT in the first place.jal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 3:38 pm I caught my kids (one of which speaks English fairly well, and one of which is watching English language TikToks all day) saying "mullet" as rhyming with "bullet". They tried to convince me that's what people on TikTok say, and fair enough, there was this one TikTok presumably from the US that rhymed "mullet" with "bullet". So is this common? I'd say "mullet" with STRUT and "bullet" with FOOT.