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bradrn
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conlangernoob wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:54 am 4. I think a few languages have a future/nonfuture split.
Hmm, which ones?
Travis B. wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:57 am
conlangernoob wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:54 am Imperative mood
I should note that it is extremely common to use the bare stem or at most a minimally-inflected form of a verb as its 2nd singular imperative, so I would hesitate to use a separate particle or auxiliary verb for expressing them.
Not universal, though! There are a surprising number of languages with a marked imperative (see e.g. WALS feature 70).
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bradrn wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 5:09 pm
conlangernoob wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:54 am 4. I think a few languages have a future/nonfuture split.
Hmm, which ones?
Bhat suggests Manipuri. Examples suggest that eventive/dynamic verbs distinguish future, (present?) progressive/durative, vs everything else (past/present habitual/...), whereas stative verbs just distinguish future vs non-future. But how much you can infer from a few examples is a good question.
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chris_notts wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:38 pm
bradrn wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 5:09 pm
conlangernoob wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:54 am 4. I think a few languages have a future/nonfuture split.
Hmm, which ones?
Bhat suggests Manipuri. Examples suggest that eventive/dynamic verbs distinguish future, (present?) progressive/durative, vs everything else (past/present habitual/...), whereas stative verbs just distinguish future vs non-future. But how much you can infer from a few examples is a good question.
Manipuri is its own special case; IIRC according to Dixon its alignment is purely semantic, rather than relying on syntactic roles.
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bradrn wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:15 pm
chris_notts wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:38 pm
bradrn wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 5:09 pm

Hmm, which ones?
Bhat suggests Manipuri. Examples suggest that eventive/dynamic verbs distinguish future, (present?) progressive/durative, vs everything else (past/present habitual/...), whereas stative verbs just distinguish future vs non-future. But how much you can infer from a few examples is a good question.
Manipuri is its own special case; IIRC according to Dixon its alignment is purely semantic, rather than relying on syntactic roles.
Bhat agrees! Sorry, I misunderstood the question and thought you just wanted examples where the tense distinction was fut vs non-fut, and not a tense conditioned alignment split.
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chris_notts wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:21 pm
bradrn wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:15 pm
chris_notts wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:38 pm

Bhat suggests Manipuri. Examples suggest that eventive/dynamic verbs distinguish future, (present?) progressive/durative, vs everything else (past/present habitual/...), whereas stative verbs just distinguish future vs non-future. But how much you can infer from a few examples is a good question.
Manipuri is its own special case; IIRC according to Dixon its alignment is purely semantic, rather than relying on syntactic roles.
Bhat agrees! Sorry, I misunderstood the question and thought you just wanted examples where the tense distinction was fut vs non-fut, and not a tense conditioned alignment split.
Ah, sorry for being unclear! As I recall, for a fut/nonfut distinction alone Finnish suffices. It’s the alignment split I was wondering about.
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