Fad'ami Was: A scratchpad

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Travis B.
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  • tell (trans.), fah
  • display (trans.), nih
  • block (n.), aka
  • human, sooru
  • fake, false, gaw
  • believe, hiib'u
  • random, jomme
  • stream, qaana
  • bits (coll.), bit
  • sleep (intr.), k'owwi
  • day, faaya
  • cool, neat, cille
  • inspire, yokki
  • Romanian, romana
  • money (mass), fiika
  • case, kas
  • genitive, jenitif
  • Romance, romanca
  • for example (adv.), kamme
  • excrement, jaku
  • wonder, tuuri
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Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka ha wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate ha eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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One thing I have decided is that if a verb is intransitive, whether inherently or due to its voice (e.g. antipassive), and an applicative is attached to it, the verb agrees with the applied argument as a patient.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka ha wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate ha eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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I did not like the three-way contrast between unaspirated, aspirated, and ejective voiceless plosives so I replaced it with a two-way contrast between aspirated and ejective voiceless plosives.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka ha wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate ha eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Travis B. wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:39 pm One thing I have decided is that if a verb is intransitive, whether inherently or due to its voice (e.g. antipassive), and an applicative is attached to it, the verb agrees with the applied argument as a patient.
Isn’t this simply the definition of an applicative? It’s something which promotes an indirect object to patient.
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bradrn wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:22 am
Travis B. wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:39 pm One thing I have decided is that if a verb is intransitive, whether inherently or due to its voice (e.g. antipassive), and an applicative is attached to it, the verb agrees with the applied argument as a patient.
Isn’t this simply the definition of an applicative? It’s something which promotes an indirect object to patient.
This is in contrast to transitive verbs, where applicatives here make them ditransitive, and the third argument isn't first-class (e.g. the verb does not agree with it). I also wanted to emphasize that due to applicatives one could have transitive clauses with agreement as such where the verb is marked as antipassive.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka ha wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate ha eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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I have decided that in ditransitive clauses where the indirect object is a 1, 1+2, or 2 argument, and especially if the direct object is lengthy, the word order is liable to be swapped such that the indirect object comes before the direct object rather than after it, unlike the usual word order of ditransitive clauses. This does not lead to ambiguity, as a 1, 1+2, or 2 direct object would be marked on the verb itself in the first place.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka ha wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate ha eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Travis B. wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 7:53 pm Now, material for Janko...
  • one, ni*
  • two, ca*
  • three, sam*
  • four, dura*
  • five, lise
  • six, mik
  • seven, yola
  • eight, wat
  • nine, lahi
  • ten, tim
  • eleven, ni* ut tim
    [snip]
  • twenty, yen
  • twenty-one, ni* ut yen
    [snip]
  • thirty, tim ut yen
  • thirty-one, ni* ut tim ut yen
  • forty, yen ca
    [snip]
  • one hundred, lodde
    [snip]
  • two hundred, lodde ca
  • one thousand, haswa
  • nine thousand, nine hundred, and ninety nine, lahi ut tim ut yen dura ut lodde lahi ut haswa lahi
  • one myriad, yiseka
I am sick of defining number so this is as many as Janko will get.

* note that this is treated like an adjective when used attributively
I have decided to revamp how numbers work. Now all numbers function as nouns, with the things they are numbers of following them in genitive case and plural number (except for one). This gives:
  • one computer, ni yeerat
  • two computers, ca yeeratam
  • three computers, sam yeeratam
  • four computers, dura yeeratam
  • five computers, lise yeeratam
  • six computers, mik yeeratam
  • seven computers, yola yeeratam
  • eight computers, wat yeeratam
  • nine computers, lahi yeeratam
  • ten computers, tim yeeratam
  • eleven computers, ni ut tim yeeratam
  • twenty computers, yen yeeratam
  • twenty-one computers, ni ut yen yeeratam
  • thirty computers, tim ut yen yeeratam
  • forty computers, ca yenit yeeratam
  • fifty computers, tim ut ca yenit yeeratam
  • sixty computers, sam yenit yeeratam
  • seventy computers, tim ut sam yenit yeeratam
  • eighty computers, dura yenit yeeratam
  • ninety computers tim ut dura yenit yeeratam
  • ninety-nine computers, lahi ut tim ut dura yenit yeeratam
  • one hundred computers, lodde yeeratam
  • nine hundred and ninety nine computers, lahi ut tim ut dura yenit ut lahi loddet yeeratam
etc.

Note that numbers other than ni function as collective nouns, and verbs agree with them in the plural (except for ca, which verbs agree with in the dual).
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka ha wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate ha eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Ordinal numbers are expressed by placing the numbers in genitive case with the nouns qualified before them, in a reverse of cardinal numbers, which are expressed by placing the nouns qualified in genitive case after the numbers.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka ha wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate ha eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Re: Fad'ami Was: A scratchpad

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Travis B. wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:33 am Ordinal numbers are expressed by placing the numbers in genitive case with the nouns qualified before them, in a reverse of cardinal numbers, which are expressed by placing the nouns qualified in genitive case after the numbers.
Interesting approach.
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I have decided to adopt Suffixaufnahme for Fad'ami where dependent nouns agree with their heads in case and number. I have also decided that dependent adjectives agree with their heads in the same fashion.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka ha wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate ha eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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