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Posted: **Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:37 pm**

tell (trans.), fah
display (trans.), nih
block (n.), aka
human, sooru
fake, false, gaw
believe, hiib'u
random, jomme
stream, qaana
bits (coll.), bit
sleep (intr.), k'owwi
day, faaya
cool, neat, cille
inspire, yokki
Romanian, romana
money (mass), fiika
case, kas
genitive, jenitif
Romance, romanca
for example (adv.), kamme
excrement, jaku
wonder, tuuri
perfect (ling.) (adj.), ferfet'
aspect (ling.), asfet'
perfective (ling.) (adj.) ferfet'if
imperfective (ling.) (adj.) imferfet'if
now (n.), malah
past (n.), kaate
phonemes (ling., coll.), foonem
number, k'iixa
cromulent, lemaahe
understand (trans.), lahu
blather (intr.), maab'i
assume (trans.), faayi
sounds (coll.), lagad
smooth, seewa
abjad (ling.) abjad
silly, joori

Posted: **Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:39 pm**

One thing I have decided is that if a verb is intransitive, whether inherently or due to its voice (e.g. antipassive), and an applicative is attached to it, the verb agrees with the applied argument as a patient.

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2024 12:18 am**

I did not like the three-way contrast between unaspirated, aspirated, and ejective voiceless plosives so I replaced it with a two-way contrast between aspirated and ejective voiceless plosives.

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:22 am**

Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:39 pm One thing I have decided is that if a verb is intransitive, whether inherently or due to its voice (e.g. antipassive), and an applicative is attached to it, the verb agrees with the applied argument as a patient.

Isn’t this simply the definition of an applicative? It’s something which promotes an indirect object to patient.

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:28 am**

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:22 am
Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:39 pm One thing I have decided is that if a verb is intransitive, whether inherently or due to its voice (e.g. antipassive), and an applicative is attached to it, the verb agrees with the applied argument as a patient.
Isn’t this simply the definition of an applicative? It’s something which promotes an indirect object to patient.

This is in contrast to transitive verbs, where applicatives here make them ditransitive, and the third argument isn't first-class (e.g. the verb does not agree with it). I also wanted to emphasize that due to applicatives one could have transitive clauses with agreement as such where the verb is marked as antipassive.

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:35 am**

I have decided that in ditransitive clauses where the indirect object is a 1, 1+2, or 2 argument, and especially if the direct object is lengthy, the word order is liable to be swapped such that the indirect object comes before the direct object rather than after it, unlike the usual word order of ditransitive clauses. This does not lead to ambiguity, as a 1, 1+2, or 2 direct object would be marked on the verb itself in the first place.

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:10 pm**

Travis B. wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 7:53 pm Now, material for Janko...

one, ni*

two, ca*

three, sam*

four, dura*

five, lise

six, mik

seven, yola

eight, wat

nine, lahi

ten, tim

eleven, ni* ut tim
[snip]

twenty, yen

twenty-one, ni* ut yen
[snip]

thirty, tim ut yen

thirty-one, ni* ut tim ut yen

forty, yen ca
[snip]

one hundred, lodde
[snip]

two hundred, lodde ca

one thousand, haswa

nine thousand, nine hundred, and ninety nine, lahi ut tim ut yen dura ut lodde lahi ut haswa lahi

one myriad, yiseka

I am sick of defining number so this is as many as Janko will get.

* note that this is treated like an adjective when used attributively

I have decided to revamp how numbers work. Now all numbers function as nouns, with the things they are numbers of following them in genitive case and plural number (except for one). This gives:

one computer, ni yeerat
two computers, ca yeeratam
three computers, sam yeeratam
four computers, dura yeeratam
five computers, lise yeeratam
six computers, mik yeeratam
seven computers, yola yeeratam
eight computers, wat yeeratam
nine computers, lahi yeeratam
ten computers, tim yeeratam
eleven computers, ni ut tim yeeratam
twenty computers, yen yeeratam
twenty-one computers, ni ut yen yeeratam
thirty computers, tim ut yen yeeratam
forty computers, ca yenit yeeratam
fifty computers, tim ut ca yenit yeeratam
sixty computers, sam yenit yeeratam
seventy computers, tim ut sam yenit yeeratam
eighty computers, dura yenit yeeratam
ninety computers tim ut dura yenit yeeratam
ninety-nine computers, lahi ut tim ut dura yenit yeeratam
one hundred computers, lodde yeeratam
nine hundred and ninety nine computers, lahi ut tim ut dura yenit ut lahi loddet yeeratam

etc.

Note that numbers other than ni function as collective nouns, and verbs agree with them in the plural (except for ca, which verbs agree with in the dual).

Posted: **Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:33 am**

Ordinal numbers are expressed by placing the numbers in genitive case with the nouns qualified before them, in a reverse of cardinal numbers, which are expressed by placing the nouns qualified in genitive case after the numbers.

Posted: **Mon Jun 17, 2024 3:38 am**

Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:33 am Ordinal numbers are expressed by placing the numbers in genitive case with the nouns qualified before them, in a reverse of cardinal numbers, which are expressed by placing the nouns qualified in genitive case after the numbers.

Interesting approach.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:29 pm**

I have decided to adopt Suffixaufnahme for Fad'ami where dependent nouns agree with their heads in case and number. I have also decided that dependent adjectives agree with their heads in the same fashion.

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