Zompist Bboard Again

Raphael wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:59 am

mèþru wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:27 pm I think most libertarians aren't so philosophical and are more moderate than the writers of the movement

It is kinda weird how people use "economically right-leaning, culturally left-leaning" and "in favor of abolishing or almost abolishing the government" interchangeably.

As far I could see (among European libertarians, maybe things are different in the US?) being 'culturally / socially liberal' is mostly a facade put up to attract younger folks. Gay marriage? Not a priority. Immigrants? Keep on turning them away and maybe they'll reconsider when all welfare is abolished and everyone has a gun.

Ars Lande wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:09 am

Raphael wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:59 am

mèþru wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:27 pm I think most libertarians aren't so philosophical and are more moderate than the writers of the movement

It is kinda weird how people use "economically right-leaning, culturally left-leaning" and "in favor of abolishing or almost abolishing the government" interchangeably.

As far I could see (among European libertarians, maybe things are different in the US?)

I'm on the record as calling continental European liberals "a kind of watered-down libertarians", by US standards - I wouldn't call them simply libertarians without modifiers.

Raphael wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:15 am I'm on the record as calling continental European liberals "a kind of watered-down libertarians", by US standards - I wouldn't call them simply libertarians without modifiers.

No, no, I'm talking about actual libertarians -- Partei der Vernunft, not FDP if you want. There really aren't a lot of them, but there are some (I met a fair amount of them back when I was studying engineering; computer science always seems to attract these types:))


(There are several varieties of European liberals - I like the ordoliberal model myself, some superficial resemblances aside it doesn't have much to do with libertarianism).

Ars Lande wrote:As far I could see (among European libertarians, maybe things are different in the US?) being 'culturally / socially liberal' is mostly a facade put up to attract younger folks. Gay marriage? Not a priority. Immigrants? Keep on turning them away and maybe they'll reconsider when all welfare is abolished and everyone has a gun.

It really depends on the person. Definitely tends to be a facade for libertarian politicians, but AFAIK it wasn't as much of a facade back when the Libertarian Party was founded. I'm thinking though of small l-libertarian voters. Some are more focused on cultural issues than economics.