Zompist Bboard Again

keenir wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:43 am then why not just use (Crassus?) and his soldiers being shuttled about until they end up in Japan? (didn't they reportedly end up in China as it was?)

or use Tocharian.

Is this language documented in detail anywhere readily-accessible?

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:16 am

keenir wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:43 am then why not just use (Crassus?) and his soldiers being shuttled about until they end up in Japan? (didn't they reportedly end up in China as it was?)

or use Tocharian.

Is this language documented in detail anywhere readily-accessible?

tocharian? tocharian b is (check libgen), tocharian a isn't

Crassus may end up taking Sri Lanka ultimately if he is lucky

Nortaneous wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:00 am

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:16 am

keenir wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:43 am then why not just use (Crassus?) and his soldiers being shuttled about until they end up in Japan? (didn't they reportedly end up in China as it was?)
or use Tocharian.

Is this language documented in detail anywhere readily-accessible?

tocharian? tocharian b is (check libgen), tocharian a isn't

ah, okay; last I heard (which, granted, was a quite a ways back), all Tocharian languages were somewhere between PIE and the Indo-European/Indo-Aryan/Hittite splits in terms of dating.

thanks for the clarification.

keenir wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:48 pm ah, okay; last I heard (which, granted, was a quite a ways back), all Tocharian languages were somewhere between PIE and the Indo-European/Indo-Aryan/Hittite splits in terms of dating.

thanks for the clarification.

There are two Tocharian languages. They're about as distant as English and Dutch. The old view is that Tocharian branched off after Anatolian but before everything else, but this is being re-evaluated - some of the apparent archaisms are actually secondary developments obscuring shared innovations with "Brugmannian" IE, and there are developments that are shared with European languages. It's formally possible to argue that it forms a branch with Germanic, but IMO there aren't enough shared innovations to make that useful.

I think a Dutch or Portuguese-based creole in Kyushu is a reasonable route to take myself.

Is there a motivation for Germanic peoples moving to Japan in 200 BC?

Vijay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:11 pm Is there a motivation for Germanic peoples moving to Japan in 200 BC?

That's a bit late. I could imagine an althist scenario where:
1) a Tocharo-Germanic branch is accepted
2) the Germanic tribes made the Tocharian migration (and the Tocharians stayed in Europe? note that this implies that the Uralic contact effects on Proto-Tocharian wouldn't exist, so no extended case system unless it's a later development as in Balto-Slavic and spreads west from a Finnic contact zone, and maybe different vowel developments pre-PToch; the Indo-Iranian and probably Greek loan strata would also be absent - at the time of divergence Tocharian would probably look like a typical IE language, but you could fudge it and push the major distinguishing developments further back than they probably were)
3) but the migration path was much further north, so instead of landing in the Tarim Basin they settled in Manchuria, and later expanded into either Khabarovsk -> Sakhalin -> Hokkaido (displacing the Nivkh?) or (much less likely IMO) Korea -> Kyushu

This would have linguistic consequences, though - just as Tocharian was phonologically and grammatically restructured through contact with "Ural-Altaic" (probably specifically Samoyedic), this alt-Germanic would be restructured through contact with "Paleosiberian". Which is pretty reasonable - phonologically Germanic is probably the easiest branch (aside from maybe Tocharian) to do that with