Zompist Bboard Again

Posted: **Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:11 pm**

Otto Kretschmer wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:23 pm I may provide it already if you have appetite for something Proto Germanic

Ainaz furi mahtigaz kuningaz Wiljahelmaz sat ana hausetijai andi lokode at ruinoz sinas kuningadomas. Kuningaz wisse ne hwat iz skulde doną

['ɑinɑz 'fu'ri mɑ'xti:gɑz ku'ningɑz wiljɑ'helmɑz sɑt ɑnɑ hɑu'setijɑi ɑndi lɔ:'kɔ:de ɑt 'ruinɔ:z 'si:nɑs kuningɑ'dɔ:mas. Ku'ningɑz 'wisse: ne xwɑt i:z 'skulde: dɔnɑ̃]

(1) Devoicing of final [z] > [s]
(2) Apocope of [ɑ] in terminal sequence [ɑs].
(3) Denasalisation of nasal vowels, ejection of /n/.
(4) Mutation of preceding vowels based on the final vowel in a word, and also influenced by [j] or [w].

Æins fyri mæghtiks kynings Wiljehelms sat ana heysetijæi ændi løkøde at ryenôs sîns kynyngodoms. Kynings wisse ne hwat is skylde danan.
[æins 'fyːri mæx'tiːks kyninks wiljehelms sɑt ɑnɑ hey'setijæi 'ændi lø'køːde ɑt rye'nɔːs siːns kynyngɔ'dɔːms kyninks wisseː ne xwat is skyldeː dɑːnɑn]

Posted: **Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:35 pm**

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:11 pm Æins fyri mæghtiks kynings Wiljehelms sat ana heysetijæi ændi løkøde at ryenôs sîns kynyngodoms. Kynings wisse ne hwat is skylde danan.
[æins 'fyːri mæx'tiːks kyninks wiljehelms sɑt ɑnɑ hey'setijæi 'ændi lø'køːde ɑt rye'nɔːs siːns kynyngɔ'dɔːms kyninks wisseː ne xwat is skyldeː dɑːnɑn]

0) stress shift from light penultimate to heavy ultimate
1) palatalization of coronals except /r/ adjacent to /i j/
2) w > β, lm > n, ld > ɮ, ng > ŋ, ij > j / VC_
3) syncope of alternate pretonic short vowels, regressive voicing assimilation
4) lenition of finals except /t/, lenition of preinitial stops
5) VN > Ṽ / _C _#

Æins fȳri mktīks knins Wljens sat ana heysetjæi ændi lkø̄de at ryenôs sīns knyngdôns. Knins wissjē ne hwat is skldē dānan.
æ̃jʑ ˈfyːri m̥xtɕiːɣz ɣȵĩz βȴẽz sɑt ˈɑnɑ heyˈsetɕæi ˈæ̃dʑi ˈl̥køːde ɑt ryeˈnɔːs ɕĩːɕ ɣnyˈŋdɔ̃ːz ɣȵĩz βiɕɕeː ne xwat iʑ zɣɮeː ˈdɑːnɑ̃

Posted: **Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:41 pm**

Are those changes wholly or in part, a result of heavy ultimate stress?

If yes, a nice path.l for a Germanic language

Posted: **Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:08 pm**

Nortaneous wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:35 pm Æins fȳri mktīks knins Wljens sat ana heysetjæi ændi lkø̄de at ryenôs sīns knyngdôns. Knins wissjē ne hwat is skldē dānan.
æ̃jʑ ˈfyːri m̥xtɕiːɣz ɣȵĩz βȴẽz sɑt ˈɑnɑ heyˈsetɕæi ˈæ̃dʑi ˈl̥køːde ɑt ryeˈnɔːs ɕĩːɕ ɣnyˈŋdɔ̃ːz ɣȵĩz βiɕɕeː ne xwat iʑ zɣɮeː ˈdɑːnɑ̃

1) Fortition of fricatives word-initially before a sonorant - / #_R
2) Epenthetic vowels in front of syllabic consonants and #_SSC
3) Vowel hiatus is broken up with aspiration (also at word boundaries)
4) Rhinoglottophilia - hV and Ṽ become hṼ for open vowels.

Hæins fȳri umktīks gnins Bljens sat ana hehysetjæhi hændi hilkø̄de hat ryhenôs sīns gnyngdôns. Gnins wissjē ne hwat is iskldē dānan.
[hæ̃jʑ ˈfyːri umx'tɕiːɣz gȵĩz bȴẽz sɑt ˈɑnɑ hehyˈsetɕæhi ˈhæ̃dʑi hil'køːde hɑt ryheˈnɔːs ɕĩːɕ gnyˈŋdɔ̃ːz gȵĩz βiɕɕeː ne xwat iʑ iz'ɣɮeː ˈdɑːnɑ̃]

Posted: **Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:27 pm**

Nortaneous wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:35 pm
Æins fȳri mktīks knins Wljens sat ana heysetjæi ændi lkø̄de at ryenôs sīns knyngdôns. Knins wissjē ne hwat is skldē dānan.
æ̃jʑ ˈfyːri m̥xtɕiːɣz ɣȵĩz βȴẽz sɑt ˈɑnɑ heyˈsetɕæi ˈæ̃dʑi ˈl̥køːde ɑt ryeˈnɔːs ɕĩːɕ ɣnyˈŋdɔ̃ːz ɣȵĩz βiɕɕeː ne xwat iʑ zɣɮeː ˈdɑːnɑ̃

(1.) Loss of nasalisation with compensatory lengthening of stressed monophthongs (but not unstressed or diphthongs)
(2.) /y/ > /ɨ/, but blocked by a preceding labial consonant
(3.) Vocalisation of preconsonantnal initial [ɣ l̥] > [ɨ], [β] > [br]u[/br], syllabic [m] > [br]u[/br]
(3.1) Minor orthographical changes, but spelling still remains largely conservative.

Æins fȳri uktīks ynins Uljens sat ana heysetjæi ændi ukø̄de at ryenôs sīns ynyngdôns. Ynins wissjē ne hwat is syldē dānan.
[æiʑ ˈfyːri m̥xtɕiːɣz ɨȵiːz uȴeːz sɑt ˈɑnɑ heɨˈsetɕæi ˈæːdʑi ɨˈkøːde ɑt rɨeˈnɔːs ɕiːɕ ɨnɨˈŋdɔːz ɨȵiːz βiɕɕeː ne xwat iʑ zɨɮeː ˈdɑːnɑ]

Posted: **Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:45 pm**

Otto Kretschmer wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:41 pm Are those changes wholly or in part, a result of heavy ultimate stress?

If yes, a nice path.l for a Germanic language

idk, i just decided to turn it into rgyalrongic. stress avoiding light final syllables (and previous vowel loss in heavy inflectional syllables) would probably help to keep it reasonable for a germanic language. a serious conlang would probably have morphological leveling and so on to keep it reasonable - or a rule that inflections can't be stressed, which would have the same effect

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Early changes, loss of instrumental
ĭ ŭ > e o, length lost in unstressed syllables
wólfs  wolfós   gásts  gaɕȶís
wólfą  wolfą́s   gástę  gaɕȶíns
wólfs  wólfɔ̨    gaɕȶís gáɕȶɔ̨
wólfɛ  wolfáms  gáɕȶi  gaɕȶíms

Strict application of stress rule, more consonant changes
βóɬɸs  ɸɬɸós   gásts  xɕȶís
βóɬɸą  ɸɬɸás   gástę  xɕȶį́s
βóɬɸs  βólɸɔ̨   xɕȶís  gáɕȶɔ̨
βóɬɸɛ  ɸɬɸą́s   gáɕȶi  xɕȶį́s

Morphological leveling to preserve strong form of root (but palatal alternations are preserved)
βóɬɸs  βóɬɸos  gásts  gáɕȶis
βóɬɸą  βóɬɸas  gástę  gaɕȶįs
βóɬɸs  βólɸɔ̨   gáɕȶis gaɕȶɔ̨
βóɬɸɛ  βólɸąs  gáɕȶi  gaɕȶįs

although it's also possible that leveling could go in the other direction, with vocalic material added to the endings, and you'd get roots that are just consonant clusters. this would probably be dealt with through extensive lexical churn, but rgyalrongic has enough lexical churn that andrew hsiu thinks it isn't even a clade due to the low number of cognates. (this is obviously wrong - tangut is a western rgyalrongic language but that hasn't stopped anyone from explaining its historical phonology in terms of japhug, which is less related but was documented earlier - but not incomprehensibly so)

Posted: **Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:11 pm**

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:27 pm (1.) Loss of nasalisation with compensatory lengthening of stressed monophthongs (but not unstressed or diphthongs)
(2.) /y/ > /ɨ/, but blocked by a preceding labial consonant
(3.) Vocalisation of preconsonantnal initial [ɣ l̥] > [ɨ], [β] > [br]u[/br], syllabic [m] > [br]u[/br]
(3.1) Minor orthographical changes, but spelling still remains largely conservative.

Æins fȳri uktīks ynins Uljens sat ana heysetjæi ændi ukø̄de at ryenôs sīns ynyngdôns. Ynins wissjē ne hwat is syldē dānan.
[æiʑ ˈfyːri uxtɕiːɣz ɨȵiːz uȴeːz sɑt ˈɑnɑ heɨˈsetɕæi ˈæːdʑi ɨˈkøːde ɑt rɨeˈnɔːs ɕiːɕ ɨnɨˈŋdɔːz ɨȵiːz βiɕɕeː ne xwat iʑ zɨɮeː ˈdɑːnɑ]

1) ʑ > j, ij > iː (or i in a diphthong)
2) hiatus resolution, usually through vowel loss with compensatory lengthening, but æi > ɛː
3) ø > e (we after velars)
4) coda consonants debuccalize (except geminates); the resulting final glottals become vocalic registers, producing an inventory of V̰́ V́ V̀ V̤̀
5) palatoalveolar nonsibilants > palatals (mostly a notational change)
6) nasal POA assimilation

[ɛ̀ː fỳːrì útɕì̤ ɨ̀ɲì̤ː ùʎè̤ː sɑ̰́ ɑ̀nɑ̀ hèːsètɕɛ̀ː æ̀ːdʑì ɨ̀kwèːdè ɑ̰́ rèːnɔ́ː ɕíː ɨ̀nɨ̀ndɔ̤̀ː ɨɲì̤ː βìɕɕèː nè xwɑ̰́ ìː zɨ̀ɮèː dɑ̀ːnɑ̀]

Zju wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:08 pm 1) Fortition of fricatives word-initially before a sonorant - / #_R
2) Epenthetic vowels in front of syllabic consonants and #_SSC
3) Vowel hiatus is broken up with aspiration (also at word boundaries)
4) Rhinoglottophilia - hV and Ṽ become hṼ for open vowels.

Hæins fȳri umktīks gnins Bljens sat ana hehysetjæhi hændi hilkø̄de hat ryhenôs sīns gnyngdôns. Gnins wissjē ne hwat is iskldē dānan.
[hæ̃jʑ ˈfyːri umx'tɕiːɣz gȵĩz bȴẽz sɑt ˈɑnɑ hehyˈsetɕæhi ˈhæ̃dʑi hil'køːde hɑt ryheˈnɔːs ɕĩːɕ gnyˈŋdɔ̃ːz gȵĩz βiɕɕeː ne xwat iʑ iz'ɣɮeː ˈdɑːnɑ̃]

1) h > ɕ / f before non-close vowels; velar + w > labial
2) ȴ l > j gʟ; je > ie
3) chain shift of shibilants and sibilants to sibilants (which remain allophonically palatalized before /i j/) and lateral obstruents; ȵ > ɹ
4) open-mid vowels æ ɔ > ie uo
5) iej > iː

[sĩːz ˈfyːri umxˈtɕiːɣɮ gɹĩɮ bĩẽɮ ɬɑt ˈɑnɑ sefyˈɬetɕieɕi ˈsiẽdʑi ɕigʟˈkøːde hɑ̃t ryseˈnuoɬ ɕĩːs gnyŋˈdũõːɮ gɹĩɮ βisseː ne fɑt iz iɮˈɣɮeː ˈdɑːnɑ̃]

Posted: **Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:18 pm**

Aargh… I had just figured out a series of really nice changes when Rounin Ryuuji just posted before I could, then I just figured out another set of really nice changes and was about to post when Nortaneous did! Let me redo my entry for the second time now…

EDIT: …except, I just noticed Nortaneous has now posted two entries, deriving from two different people. Which one are we supposed to proceed from?

Nortaneous wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:45 pm a serious conlang would probably have morphological leveling and so on to keep it reasonable - or a rule that inflections can't be stressed, which would have the same effect

But surely the whole point of rGyalrongic is the weird irregular stem changes?

Posted: **Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:59 pm**

Ugh, I missed a stage, sorry...

Posted: **Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:08 pm**

OK, looks like we’re having people getting confused again. Also, we’ve gotten pretty far from the original text:

['ɑinɑz furi 'mɑxti:gɑz 'kuningɑz 'wiljɑhelmɑz sɑt ɑna 'hɑusetijɑi ɑndi 'lɔ:kɔ:de ɑt ruinɔ:z 'si:nɑs 'kuningɑdɔ:mas. 'kuningɑz :wisse: ne xwɑt i:z 'skulde: 'dɔnɑ̃]

[ɛ̀ː fỳːrì útɕì̤ ɨ̀ɲì̤ː ùʎè̤ː sɑ̰́ ɑ̀nɑ̀ hèːsètɕɛ̀ː æ̀ːdʑì ɨ̀kwèːdè ɑ̰́ rèːnɔ́ː ɕíː ɨ̀nɨ̀ndɔ̤̀ː ɨɲì̤ː βìɕɕèː nè xwɑ̰́ ìː zɨ̀ɮèː dɑ̀ːnɑ̀]
[sĩːz ˈfyːri umxˈtɕiːɣɮ gɹĩɮ bĩẽɮ ɬɑt ˈɑnɑ sefyˈɬetɕieɕi ˈsiẽdʑi ɕigʟˈkøːde hɑ̃t ryseˈnuoɬ ɕĩːs gnyŋˈdũõːɮ gɹĩɮ βisseː ne fɑt iz iɮˈɣɮeː ˈdɑːnɑ̃]

(hmm, how did we get from ['wiljɑhelmɑz] to [ùʎè̤ː] again?)

So shall we have a new text, do you think?

Posted: **Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:01 pm**

Let's try for an Anglic language this time?

"Experience, though noon auctoritee
Were in this world, were right ynogh to me
To speke of wo that is in mariage;
For, lordynges, sith I twelf yeer was of age,—"

[ɛk'spɛː.ri.ɛns(ə) ðowx nɔːn auk'tɔː.ri.teː]
[wɛːr(ə) in ðis wɔrld wɛːr(ə) riçt i'nowx toː meː]
[toː spɛːk(ə) ɔv woː ðat is in mæ.ri'æːdʒ(ə)]
[fɔr 'lor.diŋ.gəs, siθ iː twɛlf yɛːr was of æːdʒ(ə)]

(Probably a bit later than Chaucer, but a good place to begin, I think.)

Posted: **Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:29 pm**

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:01 pm "Experience, though noon auctoritee
Were in this world, were right ynogh to me
To speke of wo that is in mariage;
For, lordynges, sith I twelf yeer was of age,—"

[ɛk'spɛː.ri.ɛns(ə) ðowx nɔːn auk'tɔː.ri.teː]
[wɛːr(ə) in ðis wɔrld wɛːr(ə) riçt i'nowx toː meː]
[toː spɛːk(ə) ɔv woː ðat is in mæ.ri'æːdʒ(ə)]
[fɔr 'lor.diŋ.gəs, siθ iː twɛlf yɛːr was of æːdʒ(ə)]

[ð θ] → [v f]
Long vowel breaking: [ɛː eː ɔː oː iː] → [ɛj ej ɔw ow iə]
Word-final lenition: fricatives → [h] or [ç], stops → [ʔ], [r] → rhotacization
(ə) → ∅ before vowels, [ə] otherwise; [ʔ] → ∅ before consonants, [ʔ] otherwise

Experience, though noon auctoritee / Were in this world, were right ynough to me / To speke of wo that is in mariage; / For, lordynges, sith I twelf yeer was of age,—

[ɛk'spɛj.ri.ɛns.ə vow nɔwn auk'tɔw.ri.tej ‖ wɛjr in viç wɔrld wɛjr.ə riçʔ i'nowh tow mej ‖ tow spɛjk ɔh wow vaʔ iç in mæ.ri'æjdʒ ‖ fɔ˞ː 'lor.diŋ.gəh, siç iə twɛlh yɛi˞ wah oh æjdʒ]

Posted: **Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:02 am**

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:18 pm But surely the whole point of rGyalrongic is the weird irregular stem changes?

which? the ablaut?

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:29 pm Experience, though noon auctoritee / Were in this world, were right ynough to me / To speke of wo that is in mariage; / For, lordynges, sith I twelf yeer was of age,—

[ɛk'spɛj.ri.ɛns.ə vow nɔwn auk'tɔw.ri.tej ‖ wɛjr in viç wɔrld wɛjr.ə riçʔ i'nowh tow mej ‖ tow spɛjk ɔh wow vaʔ iç in mæ.ri'æjdʒ ‖ fɔ˞ː 'lor.diŋ.gəh, siç iə twɛlh yɛi˞ wah oh æjdʒ]

1) generalization of word-final lenition to coda position, and coda nasals > nasalization
2) voiced plosives > voiceless in coda, and affricates > stops
3) coda -l > new vowel length
4) j > 0 after a rhotic vowel, with compensatory lengthening
5) sC > Cʰ
6) minor regularization of schwa distribution

[ɛʔˈpʰɛj.ri.ɛ̃.sə vow nɔ̃w auʔˈtɔw.ri.tej ‖ wɛ:ʴ ĩ viç wɔʴːt wɛ:ʴ riçʔ i'nowh tow mej ‖ tow pʰɛjʔ ɔh wow vaʔ iç ĩ mæ.riˈæjt ‖ fɔʴː 'loʴ.dĩ.gəh, siç iə twɛːh yɛ:ʴ wah oh æjt]

Posted: **Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:20 am**

Nortaneous wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:02 am
bradrn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:18 pm But surely the whole point of rGyalrongic is the weird irregular stem changes?
which? the ablaut?

Hmm, I had somehow got the impression that the stem changes were more irregular than that, but yep, now that I check, I see that I was mistaken, and for the most part it is indeed just ablaut. Though, that being said, there are still some more irregular alternations:

rkwə̄t / rkʰū / rkō
rî / rə̄t / xwē
tû / vī / tō / və̄

3) coda -l > new vowel length

You can do that‽ (Though honestly, at this point, nothing much surprises me with sound change, especially when you’re the one posting about it.)

Posted: **Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:02 am**

Nortaneous wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:02 am 1) generalization of word-final lenition to coda position, and coda nasals > nasalization
2) voiced plosives > voiceless in coda, and affricates > stops
3) coda -l > new vowel length
4) j > 0 after a rhotic vowel, with compensatory lengthening
5) sC > Cʰ
6) minor regularization of schwa distribution

[ɛʔˈpʰɛj.ri.ɛ̃.sə vow nɔ̃w auʔˈtɔw.ri.tej ‖ wɛ:ʴ ĩ viç wɔʴːt wɛ:ʴ riçʔ i'nowh tow mej ‖ tow pʰɛjʔ ɔh wow vaʔ iç ĩ mæ.riˈæjt ‖ fɔʴː 'loʴ.dĩ.gəh, siç iə twɛːh yɛ:ʴ wah oh æjt]

1. Glottal Stop + Consonant produces gemination, terminally assimilates to a preceding consonant or produces a long vowel
1.1 [h~ç~x] becomes [j] after [e i] or [w] after [o ɔ u], with [çç~hh~xx] becoming [jç] or [wx]; the shift is blocked by existing [w j]
2. Diphthong smoothing — [ej~ei] becomes [eː], [ɛ(ː)j~ɛ(ː)i], [æj~æi] become [ɛː], [ow] becomes [oː], [au~aw] and [ɔu~ɔw] becomes [oː], [ij] becomes [i:], blocked by nasalisation
2.1 [əh] becomes [a], [ah] becomes [aː]
3. The language is revived in writing, with an orthography reflecting a stage between the last and this, as below, with many long vowels written as when they were still diphthongs.

Epperiense, vow naon awttawritey
Wair in vih woart wair riih inowh tow mey
Tow payh oaw wow vah ih in mæriait
Foar lordinga, sih ie twai yair wah ow ait...

[ɛpʰˈpʰɛj.ri.ɛ̃.sə voː nɔ̃w ɔːtˈtɔː.ri.teː]
[wɛ:ʴ ĩ viː wɔʴːt wɛ:ʴ riːç i'noːh toː meː]
[toː pʰɛːç ɔː woː vaː iː ĩ mæ.riˈɛːt ]
[fɔʴː 'loʴ.dĩ.ga, siː iə twɛː yɛ:ʴ waː oː ɛːt]

Posted: **Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:10 am**

Who is for the next one later to be in PIE?

You guys can also introduce changes in morphology, syntax and vocabulary, miroring natural language change although it is up to you how much you introduce.

Posted: **Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:36 pm**

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:02 am Epperiense, vow naon awttawritey
Wair in vih woart wair riih inowh tow mey
Tow payh oaw wow vah ih in mæriait
Foar lordinga, sih ie twai yair wah ow ait...

[ɛpʰˈpʰɛj.ri.ɛ̃.sə voː nɔ̃w ɔːtˈtɔː.ri.teː]
[wɛ:ʴ ĩ viː wɔʴːt wɛ:ʴ riːç i'noːh toː meː]
[toː pʰɛːç ɔː woː vaː iː ĩ mæ.riˈɛːt ]
[fɔʴː 'loʴ.dĩ.ga, siː iə twɛː yɛ:ʴ waː oː ɛːt]

1. Voiced stopes become voiced fricatives except after a nasal, or syllable initially in a stressed syllable.

2. The rest of the stops undergo a chain shift Pʰ > P > B. Geminate plain stops do not undergo voicing.

3. Reduction of unstressed vowels: unstressed short {i e} {u o ɔ} {ɛ æ} {a ə} > ɪ ʊ ɜ ʌ. Unstressed long vowels shorten.

Epperiense, vow naon awttawritey
Wair in vih woart wair riih inowh tow mey
Tow payh oaw wow vah ih in mæriait
Foar lordinga, sih ie twai yair wah ow ait...

[ɪpˈpɛː.rɪ.ɛ̃.sʌ voː nʊ̃w ɔtˈtɔː.rɪ.de]
[wɛ:ʴ ɪ̃ viː wɔʴːd wɛ:ʴ riːç iˈnoh do meː]
[do pɛːç ɔː woː vaː iː ɪ̃ mɜ.r ɪˈɛːd ]
[fɔʴː ˈloʴ.ðɪ̃.ɣa, siː jʌ ðwɛː yɛ:ʴ waː oː ɛːt]

Posted: **Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:56 pm**

dɮ the phoneme wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:36 pm 1. Voiced stopes become voiced fricatives except after a nasal, or syllable initially in a stressed syllable.

2. The rest of the stops undergo a chain shift Pʰ > P > B. Geminate plain stops do not undergo voicing.

3. Reduction of unstressed vowels: unstressed short {i e} {u o ɔ} {ɛ æ} {a ə} > ɪ ʊ ɜ ʌ. Unstressed long vowels shorten.

Epperiense, vow naon awttawritey
Wair in vih woart wair riih inowh tow mey
Tow payh oaw wow vah ih in mæriait
Foar lordinga, sih ie twai yair wah ow ait...

[ɪpˌpɛː.rɪ'ɛːs woː nʊːw ɔtˈtɔː.rɪ.de]
[beːd ɪː viː wɔʴːd bɛ:ʴ riːç iˈnoh do meː]
[do pɛːç ɔː woː wɑː iː ɪː mɜ.rɪˈɛːd ]
[fɔʴː ˈloʴ.ðɪː.ɣa, siː jʌ ðwɜː jɛ:ʴ beːd oː ɛːd]

(1) Loss of unstressed terminal reduced vowels, with compensatory lengthening and stressing (or secondary stressing) of the syllable that came before
(2) Loss of nasal vowels with no nasal excrescence, but compensatory lengthening of the vowel if it is not already long, and shift of stress to it if it is.
(2.1) [ʊː] > [ʏː]
(3) [v] and [w] merge to [w].
(3.1) Vowels followed by [v] or [w] are often shifted, [a] > [ɑ], [ɛ] > [ɜ]; blocked by rhotacism.
(3.2) Regularisation of "be" paradigm
(3.2) Orthographical regularisation drive, replacing "v" with "w", and respelling vowel-w sequences as vowel-u sequences, spelling of /yː/ is "eu"; terminal [ç~x] shifts to be spelled "gh"; the distinct vowels [ɪ ɪː] tend now to be written "y", [j] is instead "i", except initially; some terminally-stressed words acquire ahistorical orthographical -e

Epperiese, wou neuw auttauritei
Beiede y wigh woart, beire riigh inogh to mei
Tou paigh oau wou wagh igh y mariaide
Foar lordyga, sigh ye thwai yair beiede ou aide

Posted: **Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:03 pm**

Who wants old Chinese? Do as many changes to the English text snd use this of you want

[kˤem kˤra tsʰˤn tsʰˤn
bˤrak prˤaks gʷaj sraŋ
sqʰraʔ gʷəts ʔij niŋ
dzˤəʔ sturʔ ʔit paŋ

sŋˤaks gʷˤəj dzoɳ tə
kəlˤuʔ tsraʔ tsʰaʔ ntraɳ
sŋˤaks nru dzoŋ tə
ʔorʔ dzˤəʔ sturʔ truŋ ʔaŋ]

Posted: **Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:03 pm**

1) Chain shift of long and short vowels to short and reduced
1.1) Reduced vowels become semivowels before other vowels
1.2) Reduced vowels merge to schwa / schwi (only distinct word-initially) and are deleted when phonotactics permit, becoming epenthetic otherwise
1.3) Stress shift away from reduced vowels
2) rj > ʒ
3) Final d > n
4) e o > ɛi ɔu > ai ɑu, ɪ ʏ ʊ > e ø o
5) Further orthographic regularization

[ɨ̆ppɛˈʒɛs wɑu nøw ə̆tˈtɔrə̆n]
[bain e vi wɔʴn bɛʴ riç ɨ̆ˈnə̆h də̆ mai]
[də̆ pɛç ɔ wɑu wɑ ji je mə̆ˈʒɛn]
[fɔʴ lə̆ʴˈðeɣ, si jə̆ ðwɜ jɛʴ bain ɑu ɛn]

Eppairiais, wou neuw attauran
Bein y wie woarn, ber righ enagh ta mei
Ta paigh au wou wae i y mariain
Foar lardyg, si ya thwai yair bein ou ain

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