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Richard W wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:23 pm Nowadays I say the year 2003 as twenty oh three.

Yalensky wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:09 amI'm also curious at what years people slip from saying "two thousand (and) X" to "twenty X". I start saying "twenty X" with 2010 --it's the earliest possible "twenty X" form in my dialect. I prefer the "twenty X" forms when "two thousand X" is also possible, though I wouldn't bat an eyelash at hearing for example "two thousand thirteen" instead of "twenty thirteen". 2009 and earlier are always "two thousand X" (without the "and") for me.

KathTheDragon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:01 am I have exactly the same preferences as you here. I suspect the "twenty-oh-X" years are analogous to e.g. "nineteen-oh-X" for 190X.

Jonlang wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:53 am As a Brit, I favour written formats like 12/08/2020 (or 12/08/20) and 12th August 2020. In speech, I would pretty much always say "(the) twelfth of August twenty-twenty".

I've always found the American "August twelve" which I've only ever heard in movie trailers to be very grating, possibly because it seems lazy. I also find American "two-thousand nine" for 2009 grating because it misses the "and" which I've never heard being omitted in British English.

Richard W wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:13 pm To me, "August 12" was eight years ago!

Ser wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:47 pm

Pabappa wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:13 amfound this just now:
https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html

For host-only networking, as with internal networking, you may find the DHCP server useful that is built into Oracle VM VirtualBox.

lol. How natural does that sound to you though? Personally I'm not unused to seeing calques from other languages in software documentation.

I suppose there might be some substance to Richard's claim that some native speakers at least (who are not from South Asia) do use that construction, but it feels so non-standard to me, and it's not something I normally come across at all.

anteallach wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:20 am I think "twenty-oh-X" for 2001 to 2009 is a minority usage, but it's out there. Jeremy Paxman always says it that way on University Challenge.

Ser wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:47 pm

Qwynegold wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:03 amSearching in a Spanish dictionary I found words such as coche-cama, coche-comedor, coche-patrulla, cortocircuito, cuentakilómetros, estadounidense, gomaespuma, guardabarros, guardabosques though.

I think Pabappa gave a good answer to your question (English happens to be an example of what you wanted). What I did was mentioning that Romance doesn't typically do "compounds of the Germanic type with multiple stressed words", as you seemed to be suggesting. None of those is an example in Spanish:
- four don't have a relationship of modifier-modified as in the question you're interested in but rather "X that is also Y" (cochecama, coche-comedor, coche-patrulla, gomaespuma —a cochecama is not a car of the bed type, or a bed of the car type, but "a car that is also a bed")
- three involve the 3SG verb + plural noun = noun pattern that is largely absent in Germanic (cuentakilómetros "it-counts-kilometres", guardabarros 'it-protects-[from]-mudsplats", guardabosques "it-protects-forests")
- one is a Greek-like compound with linker -o- (estad-o-unidense, from Estados Unidos 'the US', cf. English therm-o-metre)
- and the remaining one is an example of the rare adjective-noun = noun compound pattern (cortocircuito, historically a calque of English "short-circuit").

I think only the second one is highly productive and common in regular Spanish. The third one might be too, but in fancy scientific writing rather than everyday language. Neither is relevant to your question anyway.

Note how these Germanic-type doubly stressed modifier-modified compounds get rendered: "linguistics textbook" (libro de texto de lingüística, or libro/manual de lingüística, or even texto de lingüística), "cotton shirt" (camisa de algodón, lit. "shirt of cotton"), "metal table" (mesa de metal "table of metal", mesa metálica "metallic table").

But anyway, I was wondering if compounds of the proyecto en línea type would be better?

That's not a compound in Spanish as you can modify the nouns as you please: "el proyecto nuevo de mi hermano en línea" 'my brother's new online project'. I'd say you can do as in Romance and forbid modifier-modified (or modified-modifier) compound nouns. Or you can do like English and do what you originally wanted to do (i.e. having both "cards of silver" and "silver cards"). Basically you can do whatever you want.

Qwynegold wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:18 am Are geminate clicks possible? Is it attested?

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:35 am Quick terminological question: what aspect would you call something like ‘he bled all over the place’? (If it even has an established name, that is.) I’m guessing it’s an instance of the distributive, but I’m not too sure about that given that I’m pretty uncertain as to what the distributive aspect even is.

And a follow-up question: would such an aspect be more readily grouped as being perfective or imperfective, semantically? I’d guess imperfective (or at least non-perfective), given the absence of a clear end-state, the fact that the internal structure of the event is being considered, and the fact that such an event is decidedly non-punctual — but again, I’m not entirely sure.