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jal wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 4:14 am Yu kip way Ingles sentms.
You omitted the English sentence.

• would (intr.), yaa
• include (trans.), k'ay
• obvious, alle
• too, jo

Yaa ha ta ha k'aytaa zon alle jo.
would COMP COP COMP include-PASS-PAST.IPFV DIST.3.S.INAN obvious too
Including that would have been too obvious.

Znex wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 8:36 am At leuthes oʒsa atsʒen harthle bedruiccet, cens thasʒen aull ret?
It also sounds rather depressing, are you feeling okay?

• please (trans.), icha
• carry (trans.), q'in

Ichazinumam ha q'inta niiha sigat t'awraadat yola!
please-AGT.3.S.INAN-HAB-PAT.1.S-INV COMP carry-PASS above stele-GEN die-CAUS-ACTION-GEN seven
I like translating the Seven Kill Stele!

Znex wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 8:36 am Ʒe feʒn me tha niʒe tung saik ennae.
I do like your new language all the same.

• thank (trans.), koma

Komamuna!
thank-AGT.1.S-HAB-PAT.2.S
Thanks!

• exist, existential copula, ga
• yogh, yoh
• reason, nayad
• any, le
• real, mut'
• use (trans.), bak
• vocative particle, a

A Znex, gadila nayad le ha bakimet'a yoh mut'?
VOC Znex, exist-DAT-YES/NO reason any COMP use-AGT.1.S-PRES-NEG yogh real
Znex, is there any reason you don't use the real yogh?

Travis B. wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 10:54 amI am surprised that it needed explanation that that was the Seven Kill Stele.

Mi in noredi bwes bo "sewn kil flat-ston", sapway o non. Olso im sim kantafit.
I wasn't familiar yet with the "seven kill stele", surprised or not. Also it seems it's fake.


JAL

jal wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 3:06 pm I wasn't familiar yet with the "seven kill stele", surprised or not. Also it seems it's fake.

Qhamaniziye sigaa mut'a.
bore-APSS-AGT.3.S.INAN-PRES stele-ERG real-ERG
The real stele is boring.

Travis B. wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 3:33 pm

jal wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 3:06 pm I wasn't familiar yet with the "seven kill stele", surprised or not. Also it seems it's fake.

Qhamaniziye sigaa mut'a.
bore-APSS-AGT.3.S.INAN-PRES stele-ERG real-ERG
The real stele is boring.

Stili butomawoʔŋ aŋ! (…nos na mec 1934 iŋasanlismemŋun oŋo mbuliselbuʔ?)
[sti.li.bu.to.maˈwoʔŋ.aŋ | nos.na.met͡ʃ 1934 i.ŋa.san.lis.memˈŋu.no.ŋo mbu.li.selˈbuʔ]
stili bu-to-ma-w·o·ʔ·ŋ aŋ! nos na mec 1934 iŋ-asan-lis·me·mŋun oŋo n-bu-lis·e·lbuʔ
stele but-DEF.SG-NEG-exist INT! that.ANA which year 1934 3p-fall-find NEG.FOC 2s-but-think?

But the stele isn’t real! (…unless you mean the one found in 1934?)

(Gosh, question marks after glottal stops look horribly ugly, don’t they?)

bradrn wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 7:03 pmBut the stele isn’t real! (…unless you mean the one found in 1934?)

Ye, di flat-ston fayn don wen 1934 (ten nayn hondwit swi ten foh) sim ray wan.
Yes, the stele found in 1934 is seemingly the real one.


JAL

Travis B. wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 2:38 pm A Znex, gadila nayad le ha bakimyetha yoh mut'?
VOC Znex, exist-DAT-YES/NO reason any COMP use-AGT.1.S-PRES-NEG yogh real
Znex, is there any reason you don't use the real yogh?

Huuuu... Ȝe giark isannen feȝne hwarniȝ the ȝoh ceiks in eurcisc. At gisc komme mikkel wi the anner lettrer.
Ughhhh... I really don't like how the yogh looks in Yorkish. It doesn't fit well with the other letters.

Emmin ceiks the ʒouk letter sam ei latin letter.
At least the ezh letter looks like a Latin letter.

jal wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 3:06 pmMi in noredi bwes bo "sewn kil flat-ston", sapway o non. Olso im sim kantafit.
I wasn't familiar yet with the "seven kill stele", surprised or not. Also it seems it's fake.

Ʒe gik cenne the sʒau draip stele cender.
I don't recognise the seven kill stele either.

Znex, are you working on Mercian, the North Germanic language with even more Old English influence?

Otto Kretschmer wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 4:04 am Znex, are you working on Mercian, the North Germanic language with even more Old English influence?

Ʒ'hak giare mik wark pae marcisc gin at is awi tha ettles, ut gin tha wil, ʒe kun skrive ei breve um at braith.
I haven't done much work on Markish if that is what you mean, but if you like, I could write a post about it soon.

Znex wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 3:17 am Emmin ceiks the ʒouk letter sam ei latin letter.
At least the ezh letter looks like a Latin letter.

Yogh nib butowa-Latin-ndo aŋ!
[joɡ.nib bu.to.wa.laˈtin.ndo.aŋ]
yogh nib bu-to-wa·Latin-ndo aŋ
yogh FOC.CONTR but-DEF.SG-AUX·Latin-more INT

But yogh is even more Latin!

bradrn wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 5:42 am

Znex wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 3:17 am Emmin ceiks the ʒouk letter sam ei latin letter.
At least the ezh letter looks like a Latin letter.

Yogh nib butowa-Latin-ndo aŋ!
[joɡ.nib bu.to.wa.laˈtin.ndo.aŋ]
yogh nib bu-to-wa·Latin-ndo aŋ
yogh FOC.CONTR but-DEF.SG-AUX·Latin-more INT

But yogh is even more Latin!

Meir latin? Tha ska kanner forklare at for me. Ʒe giark see hwarniʒ ei ʒoh gisc stikke out meir amil the anner kapitallettrer.
More Latin? You might have to explain that to me. I don't see how a yogh doesn't stand out more amongst the other capital letters.

• appear, naw
• Latin, latin
• write, scratch, xaca

Nawizinu yoh xacakakufa latinit.
appear-AGT.3.S.INAN-HAB yogh write-NOM.AGT-ADJ.LIKE-COMPR Latin-GEN
The yogh looks more Latin-script-like.

• tradition, rihta

Taye yoh rihtasefa.
COP-PRES yogh tradition-ADJ.GEN-COMPR
The yogh is more traditional.

Znex wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 4:32 am

Otto Kretschmer wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 4:04 am Znex, are you working on Mercian, the North Germanic language with even more Old English influence?

Ʒ'hak giare mik wark pae marcisc gin at is awi tha ettles, ut gin tha wil, ʒe kun skrive ei breve um at braith.
I haven't done much work on Markish if that is what you mean, but if you like, I could write a post about it soon.

• read, wiita
• is able to be, mad
• only, faari
• part, kham

Made faari ha wiitame kham zonit.
able_to-PRES only COMP-AGT.1.S-PRES part DIST.S.INAN-GEN[/size
I am only able to read part of that.

Znex wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 6:31 am

bradrn wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 5:42 am

Znex wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 3:17 am Emmin ceiks the ʒouk letter sam ei latin letter.
At least the ezh letter looks like a Latin letter.

Yogh nib butowa-Latin-ndo aŋ!
[joɡ.nib bu.to.wa.laˈtin.ndo.aŋ]
yogh nib bu-to-wa·Latin-ndo aŋ
yogh FOC.CONTR but-DEF.SG-AUX·Latin-more INT

But yogh is even more Latin!

Meir latin? Tha ska kanner forklare at for me. Ʒe giark see hwarniʒ ei ʒoh gisc stikke out meir amil the anner kapitallettrer.
More Latin? You might have to explain that to me. I don't see how a yogh doesn't stand out more amongst the other capital letters.

Yogh towakbuy: toysawsabfas ⟨ᵹ⟩ nos Latin aŋnap wgiŋfas. Ezh nib 1847-buŋwnerfin, waniʔrndo aŋ.
[jog.to.wak̚ˈbuj | toj.saw.sabˈfas ⟨ᵹ⟩ nos.la.ti.naŋ.nap̚.wɡiŋˈfas | es.nib̚ 1847 buŋ.wneɾˈfin | wa.niʔɾˈndo.aŋ]
Yogh to-wa·kbuy: to-isa-w·sab-fas ⟨ᵹ⟩ nos Latin aŋnap wgi·ŋ-fas. Ezh nib 1847-bu-iŋ-w·ne·rfin, wa·niʔr-ndo aŋ
yogh DEF.SG-AUX·old: DEF.SG-come-AUX·different-LOC ⟨ᵹ⟩ which Latin island be-LOC. Ezh FOC.CONTR 1847-but-3p-make, AUX·new-more INT

Yogh is an old letter: it is a variant of the Insular Latin letter ⟨ᵹ⟩. Ezh was invented much more recently in 1847.

• come (intr.), xalaa
• old, chii
• English, ingalis

Xalaabizi yoha <g> chii bakizim ingalisa chiita.
come-ABL-AGT.3.S.INAN yogh-ERG <g> old use-AGT.3.S.INAN-PST.IPFV-INV English-ERG old-ERG
The yogh came from the old <g> used with Old English.

• Yorkish, yorkis
• emph. (adv.), t'a
• German, jerman
• north, haakha
• mutate (lit. change) (intr.), wiib'a

Ichazinumam t'a yorkisa.
please-AGT.3.S.INAN-HAB-PAT.1.S EMPH Yorkish-ERG
I do like Yorkish.

Nawizinu zona fad'a jermanse haakhat wiib'aja.
appear-AGT.3.S.INAN-HAB DIST.S.INAN-ERG language German-ADJ north-GEN change-ADJ.PAT
It looks like a mutant North Germanic language.

• people (coll.), nuuxa
• all, aana
• bear a child (trans.), d'awaa
• free (as in liberty), agim
• equal, qaala
• dignity, ayet
• right, denti
• endow (with an ability) (trans.), loobe
• think (trans.), ximaa
• conscience, yuuri
• act (intr.), thinna
• each other, aq'at
• spirit, eekan
• brother, jalli

D'awaataxayewi nuuxa aanalaa agim ut qaala gaxa ayet ut dentilaa. Loobetaxayewi ximaadaa ut yuuri ut aari ha thinnadixakaye aq'at eekan jallit.
bear.child-PASS-COM-PRES-PAT.3.P.ANIM people all-P free and equal exist-COM dignity and right-P | endow-PASS-COM-PRES-PAT.3.P.ANIM think-ACTION and conscience and shall COMP act-DAT-COM-AGT.3.P.ANIM-PRES each.other spirit brother-GEN
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

bradrn wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 4:52 pmYogh towakbuy: toysawsabfas ⟨ᵹ⟩ nos Latin aŋnap wgiŋfas. Ezh nib 1847-buŋwnerfin, waniʔrndo aŋ.
[jog.to.wak̚ˈbuj | toj.saw.sabˈfas ⟨ᵹ⟩ nos.la.ti.naŋ.nap̚.wɡiŋˈfas | es.nib̚ 1847 buŋ.wneɾˈfin | wa.niʔɾˈndo.aŋ]
Yogh to-wa·kbuy: to-isa-w·sab-fas ⟨ᵹ⟩ nos Latin aŋnap wgi·ŋ-fas. Ezh nib 1847-bu-iŋ-w·ne·rfin, wa·niʔr-ndo aŋ
yogh DEF.SG-AUX·old: DEF.SG-come-AUX·different-LOC ⟨ᵹ⟩ which Latin island be-LOC. Ezh FOC.CONTR 1847-but-3p-make, AUX·new-more INT

Yogh is an old letter: it is a variant of the Insular Latin letter ⟨ᵹ⟩. Ezh was invented much more recently in 1847.

Ʒe cen at ʒoh is en elder letter ʒefnet mi ʒouk, ut tal me thes: at giare wi scien, gis Ȝ i sannen ceike wel asammen the anner lettrer sam wi ha them?
I get that yogh is an older letter compared to ezh, but tell me this: in terms of looks, does yogh really look good alongside the other letters as we have them?

Gin ʒe ha the alfabet sam ABCDEFGHIȜKL... els abcdefghiȝkl... tal til me i aull airliʒhed at thes gisc ceike sam i wrang seter.
If I have the alphabet as ABCDEFGHIȜKL... or abcdefghiȝkl... tell me in all honesty that it doesn't look out of place.

The eiʒlandisc ᵹ koms mikkel wi the anner lettrer emmin, oʒ the ʒouk ceiks sam ats bairn, ut bithen tal ik til me at the ȝ is the sam.
The insular ᵹ fits well with the other letters at least, and the ezh looks like its descendant, but please don't tell me that the yogh is the same.