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linguistcat wrote: ↑Sat May 31, 2025 11:57 am -10F with the right layers is actually pretty ok and anything between about 10F to freezing was actually fine with a t shirt and maybe a light jacket as long as I wasn't going far and keeping active. Back in the lower 48 though "comfortable" has become about 50F to 75F so I guess it really is whatever you become accustomed to.

That's definitely a big part of it, but I think another important factor is humidity. I've experienced -35 C in almost entirely dry air and would feel surprisingly fine for a dangerously long time with insufficient clothing. Anywhere in Europe on the other hand, below freezing feels pretty uncomfortable unless one is dressed right for it.

Torco wrote: ↑Sat May 31, 2025 3:48 pm -40 is extremely cold in any temperature scale. okay, only celsius and farenheit: in kelvin it'd be quite eldritch

Interestingly, by the thermodynamic definition you can have negative absolute temperature. However, this will only be a problem for you if you're the size of an atom or smaller...

Flau wrote: ↑Sun Jun 01, 2025 3:43 am

linguistcat wrote: ↑Sat May 31, 2025 11:57 am -10F with the right layers is actually pretty ok and anything between about 10F to freezing was actually fine with a t shirt and maybe a light jacket as long as I wasn't going far and keeping active. Back in the lower 48 though "comfortable" has become about 50F to 75F so I guess it really is whatever you become accustomed to.

That's definitely a big part of it, but I think another important factor is humidity. I've experienced -35 C in almost entirely dry air and would feel surprisingly fine for a dangerously long time with insufficient clothing. Anywhere in Europe on the other hand, below freezing feels pretty uncomfortable unless one is dressed right for it.

So I’ve heard. Alas, Glasgow is apparently the rainiest city in the UK…

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 01, 2025 3:52 am So I’ve heard. Alas, Glasgow is apparently the rainiest city in the UK…

That sucks! Though if it is any consolation, while Glasgow has a lot of rainy days, it is apparently similar to Sydney by amount of rain. That admittedly doesn't help with temperature, but it means you'll presumably have to deal with fewer rainstorms.

Flau wrote: ↑Sun Jun 01, 2025 5:34 am

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 01, 2025 3:52 am So I’ve heard. Alas, Glasgow is apparently the rainiest city in the UK…

That sucks! Though if it is any consolation, while Glasgow has a lot of rainy days, it is apparently similar to Sydney by amount of rain. That admittedly doesn't help with temperature, but it means you'll presumably have to deal with fewer rainstorms.

Interesting point — thinking of it that way does make me feel slightly better. Admittedly, Sydney gets pretty humid too at times!

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Man in Space wrote: ↑Sun Jun 01, 2025 10:40 am I’ve been billed for a subscription I’ve cancelled. (BetterUp makes it incredibly difficult to cancel, so while I benefitted from the career coach I cannot recommend the service itself.)

Wow. That's basically scamming you out of your money!

Man in Space wrote: ↑Sun Jun 01, 2025 10:40 am I’ve been billed for a subscription I’ve cancelled. (BetterUp makes it incredibly difficult to cancel, so while I benefitted from the career coach I cannot recommend the service itself.)

I'm generally suspicious of 'free subscription' services and like, even though I am subscribed to a limited number of things, for this very sort of reason.

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat May 31, 2025 10:46 pm

alice wrote: ↑Sat May 31, 2025 2:42 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Fri May 30, 2025 11:14 pm

Wild haggis is no problem compared with dropbears!

You've still a bit of research to do, I see

Oh?

You've no idea what wild haggis does to people who walk upside-down!

Travis B. wrote: ↑Sun Jun 01, 2025 12:59 pm

Man in Space wrote: ↑Sun Jun 01, 2025 10:40 am I’ve been billed for a subscription I’ve cancelled. (BetterUp makes it incredibly difficult to cancel, so while I benefitted from the career coach I cannot recommend the service itself.)

I'm generally suspicious of 'free subscription' services and like, even though I am subscribed to a limited number of things, for this very sort of reason.

It wasn’t a free service; it was a career coach. I’m in a spot now where she set me up for success, but they make it so hard to cancel.

alice wrote: ↑Sun Jun 01, 2025 2:11 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat May 31, 2025 10:46 pm

alice wrote: ↑Sat May 31, 2025 2:42 pm

You've still a bit of research to do, I see

Oh?

You've no idea what wild haggis does to people who walk upside-down!

…er, what does it do?

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 01, 2025 10:25 pm

alice wrote: ↑Sun Jun 01, 2025 2:11 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat May 31, 2025 10:46 pm

Oh?

You've no idea what wild haggis does to people who walk upside-down!

…er, what does it do?

Ah, you don't want to know! It's far too graphic for the ZBB, but animal insides and suet (but no lawyers) are involved.

linguistcat wrote: ↑Sat May 31, 2025 11:57 amanything between about 10F to freezing was actually fine with a t shirt and maybe a light jacket as long as I wasn't going far and keeping active.

I would not be able to dress that lightly under those conditions, although I had a classmate in college who could; he usually wore a T-shirt, shorts, and a light jacket year-round.

The coldest temperature that I was able to confirm being outside in was on a winter morning in Moscow, with a temperature of -24 C (-11 F). I walked about a mile (1.6 km) or so from my home to work; it was quite cold, but clear, and I was very warmly dressed. I may have experienced colder temperatures, but I'm not certain; I have definitely been much more miserable at warmer temperatures, primarily when it was both cold and wet.

The hottest temperature I can confirm being outside in was about 108 F (42 C) in the US; once again, I find that drier conditions are easier to bear than humid ones, up to a point. I have family members who formerly lived in southern Arizona, and now live in southern Florida; they have far more experience with high temperatures than I do.

On a different note, I've heard tales of wild haggis, but not the upside-down part...

My coldest temparature was -35 C in Astana / Kazakhstan; it's a dry cold there and while snot freezes in your nose, it's possible to spend longer times outside if you're dressed warm enough (and optimally cover your nose with a scarf or something similar).
My warmest temperature was ca. 50 C in Dubai, which has a very humid climate; that's not a temparature I would be able to endure long, however lightly clothed; even a short walk between two climatized buildings or between a taxi and a building is an ordeal.
I've seen some people walk around in T-Shirts at temperatures a bit above freezing in Vancouver; that's not for me.

hwhatting wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 8:01 am in Dubai, which has a very humid climate;

I'm a bit surprised to hear that.

Raphael wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 8:55 am

hwhatting wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 8:01 am in Dubai, which has a very humid climate;

I'm a bit surprised to hear that.

Oh yes: as I recall, all the Persian Gulf and Red Sea countries are near the human tolerance for humidity.

I recall that last time I transited through Dubai, I had to go outside briefly. It was 34°C… at 1 AM.

bradrn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 9:42 am

Raphael wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 8:55 am

hwhatting wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 8:01 am in Dubai, which has a very humid climate;

I'm a bit surprised to hear that.

Oh yes: as I recall, all the Persian Gulf and Red Sea countries are near the human tolerance for humidity.

I recall that last time I transited through Dubai, I had to go outside briefly. It was 34°C… at 1 AM.

I think hwhatting just confused arid and humid. Such confusion of opposites happens occasionally; think of how often one reads things in conlang grammars like "this language is a priori, based on Latin and Greek". I also remember a post by Talksubilos in which he wrote early and meant 'late'. Or hwhatting was simply ironic about the climate of Dubai

WeepingElf wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:46 am

bradrn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 9:42 am

Raphael wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 8:55 am

I'm a bit surprised to hear that.

Oh yes: as I recall, all the Persian Gulf and Red Sea countries are near the human tolerance for humidity.

I recall that last time I transited through Dubai, I had to go outside briefly. It was 34°C… at 1 AM.

I think hwhatting just confused arid and humid. Such confusion of opposites happens occasionally; think of how often one reads things in conlang grammars like "this language is a priori, based on Latin and Greek". I also remember a post by Talksubilos in which he wrote early and meant 'late'. Or hwhatting was simply ironic about the climate of Dubai

I can see it as having been genuine confusion. One typically thinks of deserts as being dry, hence arid.

bradrn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:48 am

WeepingElf wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:46 am

bradrn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 9:42 am

Oh yes: as I recall, all the Persian Gulf and Red Sea countries are near the human tolerance for humidity.

I recall that last time I transited through Dubai, I had to go outside briefly. It was 34°C… at 1 AM.

I think hwhatting just confused arid and humid. Such confusion of opposites happens occasionally; think of how often one reads things in conlang grammars like "this language is a priori, based on Latin and Greek". I also remember a post by Talksubilos in which he wrote early and meant 'late'. Or hwhatting was simply ironic about the climate of Dubai

I can see it as having been genuine confusion. One typically thinks of deserts as being dry, hence arid.

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Dubai Dubai is both arid and very humid in the summer.

WeepingElf wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:46 am I think hwhatting just confused arid and humid. Such confusion of opposites happens occasionally; think of how often one reads things in conlang grammars like "this language is a priori, based on Latin and Greek". I also remember a post by Talksubilos in which he wrote early and meant 'late'. Or hwhatting was simply ironic about the climate of Dubai

No. As the article linked by Travis says, the air is highly humid. That is due to evaporation from the Gulf; this humidity usually doesn't translate into significant rainfall, but it's sufficient that you can get fog in the mornings in spring.

hwhatting wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 11:16 am

WeepingElf wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:46 am I think hwhatting just confused arid and humid. Such confusion of opposites happens occasionally; think of how often one reads things in conlang grammars like "this language is a priori, based on Latin and Greek". I also remember a post by Talksubilos in which he wrote early and meant 'late'. Or hwhatting was simply ironic about the climate of Dubai

No. As the article linked by Travis says, the air is highly humid. That is due to evaporation from the Gulf; this humidity usually doesn't translate into significant rainfall, but it's sufficient that you can get fog in the mornings in spring.

I understand; sorry for assuming an error.