Page 14 of 16
Re: German questions
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2025 3:00 pm
by Travis B.
Eigennamen für Sachen wie Webseiten haben keinen Genus oft, außer der Name einen längeren Ausdruck bedeutet.
Re: German questions
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2025 3:09 pm
by WeepingElf
Travis B. wrote: ↑Sun Apr 13, 2025 2:46 pm
Ich glaube, dass man Dativ für 'on' und Akkusativ für 'onto' benutzen würde.
Genau.
In der Stadt (Dativ) bedeutet 'in the town';
in die Stadt (Akkusativ) bedeutet 'into the town'. Ebenso:
auf dem Stuhl (Dativ) 'on the chair';
auf den Stuhl (Akkusativ) 'onto the chair'.
Re: German questions
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2025 3:18 pm
by Creyeditor
Anders wrote: ↑Sun Apr 13, 2025 2:11 pm
Wie weiss man welchen Genus Webseiten haben? Heisst es 'der, die oder das Wikipedia/Youtube/Facebook' usw?
Und welchen Kasus verwendet man nach 'auf'?
Heisst es 'auf der (fem. dat.) wunderschönen Youtube'? Oder 'auf das (neutr. akk.) wunderschöne Youtube'? Oder sonstwas?
Haben alle Webseiten den gleichen Genus?
Als Muttersprachler haben manche Webseiten für mich ein Genus. Es ist z.B. auf jeden Fall "die Wikipedia". Aber Youtube hat z.B. im Normalfall kein Genus für mich. Wenn ich aber den Namen einer Webseite mit einem Adjektiv modifizieren will, dann braucht auch Youtube ein Genus z.B. "Jetzt gehen wir auf das ach so wunderschöne Youtube.". Das ist dann parallel zu "Jetzt gehen wir auf die ach so zuverlässige Wikipedia.". Wenn man die beiden Webseitennamen ohne Adjektiv benutzt, dann ist es aber anders: "Jetzt gehen wir auf Youtube." vs. "Jetzt öffnen wir die Wikipedia.". Es ginge aber auch: "Jetzt öffnen wir Wikipedia.".
Re: German questions
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:46 am
by jal
Creyeditor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 13, 2025 3:18 pm"Jetzt gehen wir auf Youtube." vs. "Jetzt öffnen wir die Wikipedia.".
Could the difference be explained by "Wikipedia" being transparently derived from "encyclopedia"?
JAL
Re: German questions
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:35 am
by WeepingElf
jal wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:46 am
Creyeditor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 13, 2025 3:18 pm"Jetzt gehen wir auf Youtube." vs. "Jetzt öffnen wir die Wikipedia.".
Could the difference be explained by "Wikipedia" being transparently derived from "encyclopedia"?
Yes.
Wikipedia is feminine because
Enzyklopädie is.
Re: German questions
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 4:37 am
by Creyeditor
Could also be because it ends in -a, which usually marks female proper names.
Re: German questions
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 4:52 am
by Raphael
Back in the 2000s, for a while, I was mentally using "der Blog" inside my head, before I noticed that everyone else used "das Blog".
Re: German questions
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 12:09 pm
by Creyeditor
It's der Blog /blOk/ for me, too, as well as der Vlog /flOk/. But we are basically from the same area, I guess.
Re: German questions
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 1:23 pm
by WeepingElf
Creyeditor wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 12:09 pm
It's der Blog /blOk/ for me, too, as well as der Vlog /flOk/. But we are basically from the same area, I guess.
To me, it is also
der Blog.
Re: German questions
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:19 pm
by hwhatting
Das Blog for me...
Re: German questions
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 1:12 pm
by jal
Duden allows both, so you're all right :). (In Dutch it's the same, both "de" and "het" are possible. For me, I don't think I have a preference, and I'd wouldn't use the definite article that often anyway, the indefinite is used far more often I think.)
JAL
Re: German questions
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:34 am
by Raphael
I know that I should know the answer to this myself, but I don't, so here it goes:
Are there any dialects of German in Germany that have such a sound that, to speakers of sufficiently different dialects from completely different parts of Germany, the speaker's accent might sound downright foreign? For the purposes of this question, I'm not counting Austria or Switzerland as foreign.
Re: German questions
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:37 am
by jal
Raphael wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:34 amthe speaker's accent might sound downright foreign?
I would suppose that any sufficiently educated German/Austrian/Swiss would have heard about all regional accents of Germany/Austria/Switzerland, and be able to recognize them as native German speakers? Of course, there's no telling where a speaker comes from if you're going to use dialects across the Dutch and Belgian border, as it's a dialect continuum into these countries.
JAL
Re: German questions
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:14 am
by Travis B.
Raphael wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:34 am
I know that I
should know the answer to this myself, but I don't, so here it goes:
Are there any dialects of German in Germany that have such a sound that, to speakers of sufficiently different dialects from completely different parts of Germany, the speaker's accent might sound downright foreign? For the purposes of this question, I'm not counting Austria or Switzerland as foreign.
What are you calling 'German' here, just for the record, as what counts as 'German' can vary wildly depending on how narrow or broad a sense of the term one chooses? (E.g. 'German' can be pretty much Central German and lower Upper German varieties, or 'German' can be all of continental West Germanic excluding Dutch and the Frisian languages...)
Re: German questions
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:40 am
by Raphael
Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:14 am
What are you calling 'German' here, just for the record, as what counts as 'German' can vary wildly depending on how narrow or broad a sense of the term one chooses? (E.g. 'German' can be pretty much Central German and lower Upper German varieties, or 'German' can be all of continental West Germanic excluding Dutch and the Frisian languages...)
To be honest, I haven't really thought about that question much.
Re: German questions
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2025 3:26 am
by hwhatting
jal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:37 am
Raphael wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:34 amthe speaker's accent might sound downright foreign?
I would suppose that any sufficiently educated German/Austrian/Swiss would have heard about all regional accents of Germany/Austria/Switzerland, and be able to recognize them as native German speakers? Of course, there's no telling where a speaker comes from if you're going to use dialects across the Dutch and Belgian border, as it's a dialect continuum into these countries.JAL
This, and there is also a bit of a Catch-22 in this quesion - when I know a German dialect accent, I would know that it's a German accent and it wouldn't sound foreign anymore. FWIW, I haven't yet come across someone speaking German with a foreign-sounding accent and then found out that they're a speaker of an exotic-sounding German dialect.
Re: German questions
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2025 7:26 am
by jal
hwhatting wrote: ↑Thu Apr 24, 2025 3:26 amI haven't yet come across someone speaking German with a foreign-sounding accent and then found out that they're a speaker of an exotic-sounding German dialect.
Would you be able to spot someone from the Alsace speaking German? I've been there on holiday a decade or so ago and many people spoke German, though I'm not sure if they all did so natively.
JAL
Re: German questions
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2025 2:24 am
by Creyeditor
Certain varieties of Siegerländisch sound foreign to me as they have an approxinant rhotic. Also, I have a neighbour whose German sounds slighlty off sometimes all the way to uncanny valley but I can't decide if it's dialectal coloring or a very sllight foreign accent.
Re: German questions
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2025 4:47 am
by Raholeun
Raphael wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:34 am
I know that I
should know the answer to this myself, but I don't, so here it goes:
Are there any dialects of German in Germany that have such a sound that, to speakers of sufficiently different dialects from completely different parts of Germany, the speaker's accent might sound downright foreign? For the purposes of this question, I'm not counting Austria or Switzerland as foreign.
Maybe it is cheating a bit, because one could consider it a dialect of Dutch, more than German, but how about
Kleever platt?
Let me know if you got the clue of the story in the linked video:
The guy is recounting a tale about a farmer and a painter (Bur und Faeber). The farmer is complaining that they have the worse part of the tasks, having to sit in the cold the whole day making Strooipuppe (Strohpuppen, i.e. human-shaped figure made of straw) while the painter gets to work inside painting the ceiling friezes. So the painter, who is a bit of a prankster ("die hat uemmer Streecke"), asks the farmer to come and help him. The farmer comes down the ladder to stir the paint, while the farmer has to get up to "ueber Kopp erbeeje" (working above the head, i.e. holding the frieze above the head so it tires the arms). The painter then proceeds to take his merry time stirring the paint, until the farmer becomes exhausted and threatens to drop the frieze. In the end, the farmer acknowledges he will never say again the painter has the lighter of the work.
Re: German questions
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2025 5:22 am
by WeepingElf
Creyeditor wrote: ↑Fri Apr 25, 2025 2:24 am
Certain varieties of Siegerländisch sound foreign to me as they have an approxinant rhotic. Also, I have a neighbour whose German sounds slighlty off sometimes all the way to uncanny valley but I can't decide if it's dialectal coloring or a very sllight foreign accent.
I once thought that Peter Maffay, a German pop singer, was faking an English accent, but his alveolar R (the main "English" feature of his idiolect) is a feature of his native dialect ("Siebenbürger Sächsisch", i.e. the dialect of the German minority in Rumania), as is the alveolar R of Franz Müntefering (a German politician from the Sauerland, an area just north of the Siegerland).