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Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:11 am
by Vilike
Yalensky wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:19 am next: hermit
Old Greedian: yos'sẹ /ˈjos↓se/
  • yos (v): see, look at, watch
  • sẹ (pn): nothing, nobody
Such compounds with a verb and its prime argument (semantically patient) are signaled with a stress shift to the verbal root (orthographically, the apostrophe).

next: to pander

Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:09 pm
by masako
Vilike wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:11 amnext: to pander
Kala:

hueto - ingratiate oneself with; to pander to (sb's whims)

next: flatter; charm

Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:37 pm
by Pedant
masako wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:09 pm next: flatter; charm
Classical Salvian: dums, damus- "to flatter, charm" (from *dum "wish, want" + utile infix)
Visauran Salvian: mọ́xirub- "to flatter, convince" (from Kwehnu mọ́xiru ba "to make X do Y through praise")

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Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:05 pm
by Yalensky
Pedant wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:37 pm Next: quarantine
Keševan lunáz 'quarantine' (in particular, a place of quarantine, though also metaphorically extended to a state of quarantine) from a suffix of place attached to the verb lunase, lunó, literally 'through-sit', meaning 'wait for a very long time', 'sit in prison or jail', or most relevantly here 'stay in quarantine'.

next: soap

Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:09 am
by Pabappa
Yalensky wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:05 pm

next: soap
Well, i've not been without a word for soap in over twenty years, so I didnt actually add any new words here, I just looked over idioms. I skipped this one for a few days since I didnt see much point in it, but I did manage to tidy up the etymologies of my existing words for soap, so it still serves the purpose of the thread to some extent. Here's some of the soap-related idioms I've added to my languages over the past twenty-five years:

In my early languages, i figured liquid soap would be invented first, and made a connection between it and foamy drinks. In fact the word for alcohol and soap were the same ... the root that I have now is mèki, which in the 1990s I passed from one language to another because I didnt understand sound changes at the time.

Poswa:
This root survives in Poswa and Pabappa, but only in the sense derived from alcohol, which has further shifted over the intervening 8,700 years to maš- "baby; animal instincts; to lose self-control". There is also a cognate verb mažž- "to scrub with soap", but the meaning is coming at least as much from the final morpheme which means "to blow bubbles".

The generic word for soap in Poswa is maetom, which looks like it might be distantly cognate but is not (i might decide its cognate *very* distantly, e.g. > 10000 years back... but then it would also tie in with words for milk, breast, womb, brain, etc and be hardly worth mentioning). This is also used as a generic word for "good, pleasant, happy". As one might say

Tubbepu?
How are you?

Maetiombo!
Soapy-dopey!

Pabappa:
In Pabappa, there are many words for soap. The primary word for soldier in Pabappa is publop etymologically "one who soaps himself", the idea being that soldiers need to carry plenty of soap with them to protect themsleves from the germs and mud that gets all over them when theyre out in the elements. I've recently discovered that this is etymologically unsound, and should be something like pumpop, but I sometimes let mistakes survive in Pabappa if they are the sort that even a native speaker might make once in a great while.

I thought I had more, but it seems like every other idiom I've created is just a variant of one of the three above.
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next: lid, cap; seal on a jar

Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:42 am
by masako
Pabappa wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:09 am next: lid, cap; seal on a jar
Kala:

tapa - lid; top; cover; canopy; roof; ceiling

next: dragonfly (or analogous)

Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:01 pm
by Pedant
masako wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:42 am next: dragonfly (or analogous)
Anactomya Sublucens, the Emperor Dragonfly (with eight legs)
Classical Salvian: ōñjharan, ōñjharē- (from JhMar "to fly")
Kankori: oñjhara, oñjhare-

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Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:20 am
by Vilike
Pedant wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:01 pmNext: pickaxe
Old Greedian: tiltikrari /tiltikrari/

Tool nominalisation of the verb tiltikra "to smash, to chip", itself the frequentative of tikra "to break, to part".

Next: patronymic

Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:06 am
by Yalensky
Vilike wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:20 am Next: patronymic
The Keševans don't have patronymics but the Mejaguese do, so their word will be -yagpöm, which is simply 'father name'. It's an inalienable noun, so it needs obligatory personal possession affixes: oyagpöm 'my patronymic', siyagpöm 'his patronymic', noyagpöm 'someone's patronymic', etc. (A personal name by the way is an -umpöm, a 'self name')

next: ancient

Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:40 am
by Pedant
Yalensky wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:06 am next: ancient
Classical Salvian: iṣka,i,u (animates), atsa,i,u (inanimates)
Kankori: atsa,i,u
Visauran: iṣka,i,u

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Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:09 am
by masako
Pedant wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:40 amNext: beetle
Kala:

hyesua - beetle; scarab

next: vermin

Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:26 am
by Vilike
masako wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:09 am next: vermin
Two words in Old Greedian, depending on wether this vermin attacks the aboveground parts of the plant (and by extension clothing, hair, skin):
ráa'zing /ráˈàzìŋ/ from ráa 'to bite' and zing 'leaf'.

Or it attacks the roots and/or the stem (and by extension the mouth, anus, internal organs):
ráa'besá /ráˈàbèsá/ from ráa and besá 'root'

next: exterminator

Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:36 pm
by din
Vilike wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:26 am next: exterminator
Tormiott:

rognadîl ˈɹoʊ̯nɪðɪi̯l (n) exterminator (active participle of rognîl)
- rognîl ˈɹoʊ̯nɪi̯l (v) exterminate, annihilate, eradicate
- - rog- (pref) transformation or change, esp. negative
- - nîl (adj) zero, nil (from LA nīl)


next: defender (sports)

Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:28 pm
by Arzena
defender (sports)
Imperial Ardinian: macaros lit. 'stander'

And its daughterlangs:
Vezurian: magár
Isfanti: məkɛɻ
Khivlo: makkaro

Next word: hair-tie

Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:05 am
by Pabappa
Arzena wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:28 pm Next word: hair-tie
Play:
šame, from /ša/ "thickly rolled cloth" and a suffix denoting an article of clothing.

Poswa:
Possibly pwavutos , "that which gives (you) a tail". But this is an experimental word formation similar to an idea that I have recently discarded, so I probably won't stick with the exact form of this word even if I keep the semantics.

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next: light beam

Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:40 am
by masako
Pabappa wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:05 amnext: light beam
Kala:

tletsanala - beam of light

next: to grieve over sb's death; to lament sb's death; mourning

Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:47 pm
by Yalensky
To get the ball rolling again...
masako wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:40 am next: to grieve over sb's death; to lament sb's death; mourning
Keševan imertse, imertu 'mourn, grieve for' (principal parts are inf and 3s present) from im- 'for a specific purpose' and the verb 'cry'.

next: novel (literature)

Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:02 am
by masako
Yalensky wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:47 pmnext: novel (literature)
Kala:

tliua - novel; fiction

next: to parrot; to repeat uncritically what someone says

Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:28 pm
by Moose-tache
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Re: Lexicon Building

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:55 pm
by din
Moose-tache wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:28 pm
Next: mouthwash

Tormiott:

sittath sitːɪθ (n) mouthwash

sid- (pref) in the mouth, with the tongue, on the lips or with the teeth;
tath (n) water


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