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(man talking for having all new words of fingers...)
Janko...

Another attempt at this, now in the classical language:

/tihɑjtæw mɑllum qʼɑrrɑt mɑːwt wɑk tɑhulliːti ʁæːwb/
Tihaytew mallum q'arrat maawt wak tahulliiti geewb.
ti=hay=tew mall-um q'arrat maawt wak ta-hulla-i-i=ti geewb
SUBJ.3.S.M.ANIM=OBJ.3.P.M.INAN=give.IPFV sky-DEF myriad thing-P.M BEN PRES-nurture.PFV-PASS-ERG=SUBJ.3.S.M.ANIM humankind

/bɑjijæ sæ ʁæːwb mɑːtɑ lɑwɑ wɑk tɑrɑhliː sæ mɑllum/
Bayiye se geewb maata lawa wak tarahlii se mallum.
ba=yi-ye se geewb maat-a law-a wak ta-rahl-i-i se mall-um
SUBJ.3.S.M.INAN=NEG-exist.IPFV DAT humankind thing-ERG good-ERG BEN PRES-give_back.PFV-PASS-ERG DAT sky-DEF

/ɑqutd ɑqutd ɑqutd ɑqutd ɑqutd ɑqutd ɑqutd/
Aqutd. Aqutd. Aqutd. Aqutd. Aqutd. Aqutd. Aqutd.
aqut-d aqut-d aqut-d aqut-d aqut-d aqut-d aqut-d
die.IMP-CAUS die.IMP-CAUS die.IMP-CAUS die.IMP-CAUS die.IMP-CAUS die.IMP-CAUS die.IMP-CAUS

A modern speaker may pronounce this as the follows:

[tseˈhɑjtsɐw ˈmɑlːom ˈqʼɑrːɐt mɑːwt wɑk tɐˈhuʎːitse ɣæːwb]
[ˈbɑjejɐ ʃæ ɣæːwb ˈmɑːtɐ ˈlɑwɐ wɑk tɐˈɾɑçʎi ʃæ ˈmɑlːom]
[ɑˈqutd ɑˈqutd ɑˈqutd ɑˈqutd ɑˈqutd ɑˈqutd ɑˈqutd]

A historical speaker may pronounce it as the follows (as historical pronunciations go, the phonology may not be entirely accurate):

[tiˈhɑjtæw ˈmɑlːum ˈqʼɑrːɑt mɑːwt wɑk tɑˈhulːiːti ʁæːwb]
[ˈbɑjijæ sæ ʁæːwb ˈmɑːtɑ ˈlɑwɑ wɑk tɑˈɾɑhliː sæ ˈmɑlːum]
[ɑˈqutd ɑˈqutd ɑˈqutd ɑˈqutd ɑˈqutd ɑˈqutd ɑˈqutd]

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(your word not understood by me...)
what does that mean...

xxx wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 12:52 pm xËw¼Ž¾¼ÐwË
(your word not understood by me...)
what does that mean...

Standard Rihalle Kaafi:
[woˈcʼɛːɸɐtsɐ qɐtɑˈχɑqotse]
/wukʼæjfɑtæ qɑtɑːχɑquti/

Central dialect:
[woˈtʃʼɛːftsɐ qɐtɑˈħɑqtse]
/wukʼæjfɑtæ qɑtɑːħɑquti/

Western dialect:
[wuˈcʼɛːɸɐtsʰɐ qʰɐtɑˈχɑqʰutsʰi]
/wukʼæjfɑtæ qɑtɑːχɑquti/

Wuk'eyfate qataaxaquti.
wu-k'eyfat-e qa-taa-xa-qut-i
PRED-stele-CONST five-two-NMLZ-kill.PFV-GEN
It is the Seven Kill Stele.

[kɑˈɸitsekɐ ˈciɲtsɛnɐ ceˈtɑːbn]
/kɑːfitikɑ kintæjnɑ kitɑːbn/
Kaafitika kinteyna kitaabn.
kaafi=ti=ka kin-teyn-a kitaab-n
buy.PFV=SUBJ.3.S.M.ANIM=3.S.F.INAN PERSON-young-ERG book-ACC
The boy bought the book.

[kɑˈɸitsekɐ ˈciɲtsɛnɐ ceˈtɑːb]
/kɑːfitikɑ kintæjnɑ kitɑːb/
Kaafitika kinteyna kitaab.
kaafi=ti=ka kin-teyn-a kitaab
buy.PFV=SUBJ.3.S.M.ANIM=3.S.F.INAN PERSON-young-ERG book
The boy bought a/the book.

[kɑˈɸitsekɐ ceɲˈtsɛːn ceˈtɑːbn]
/kɑːfitikɑ kintæjn kitɑːbn/
Kaafitika kinteyn kitaabn.
kaafi=ti=ka kin-teyn kitaab-n
buy.PFV=SUBJ.3.S.M.ANIM=3.S.F.INAN PERSON-young book-ACC
A/the boy bought the book.

[kɑˈɸitsekɐ ceɲˈtsɛːn ceˈtɑːb]
/kɑːfitikɑ kintæjn kitɑːb/
Kaafitika kinteyn kitaab.
kaafi=ti=ka kin-teyn kitaab
buy.PFV=SUBJ.3.S.M.ANIM=3.S.F.INAN PERSON-young book
A/the boy bought a/the book.

Contrast this with classical Rihalle Kaafi:

[kɑːˈɸitikɑ ˈkintɛjnɑm kiˈtɑːbnum]
/kɑːfitikɑ kintæjnɑm kitɑːbnum/
Kaafitika kinteynam kitaabnum.
kaafi=ti=ka kin-teyn-a-m kitaab-n-um
buy.PFV=SUBJ.3.S.M.ANIM=3.S.F.INAN PERSON-young-ERG-DEF book-ACC-DEF
The boy bought the book.

[kɑːˈɸitikɑ ˈkintɛjnɑm kiˈtɑːb]
/kɑːfitikɑ kintæjnɑm kitɑːb/
Kaafitika kinteynam kitaab.
kaafi=ti=ka kin-teyn-a-m kitaab
buy.PFV=SUBJ.3.S.M.ANIM=3.S.F.INAN PERSON-young-ERG-DEF book
The boy bought a book.

[kɑːˈɸitikɑ kinˈtɛjn kiˈtɑːbnum]
/kɑːfitikɑ kintæjn kitɑːbnum/
Kaafitika kinteyn kitaabnum.
kaafi=ti=ka kin-teyn kitaab-n-um
buy.PFV=SUBJ.3.S.M.ANIM=3.S.F.INAN PERSON-young book-ACC-DEF
A boy bought the book.

[kɑːˈɸitikɑ kinˈtɛjn kiˈtɑːb]
/kɑːfitikɑ kintæjn kitɑːb/
Kaafitika kinteyn kitaab.
kaafi=ti=ka kin-teyn kitaab
buy.PFV=SUBJ.3.S.M.ANIM=3.S.F.INAN PERSON-young book
A boy bought a book.

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(this tool maybe containing the name of the whole life of this man...)
the book that may contain the story of his entire life...

Anu na tobwseʼ towawleban.
/a.nu.na.tob.wseʔ.to.waw.le.ban/
[a.nu.na.tobʷ̚.wsḛʔ.to.wawˈle.ban]
anu na tob-w·se·ʼ to-wa·wle-ban
thing FOC too.much-do.repeatedly DEF.SG-annoy-1s
Excessive repetition is annoying.

Anu na tobwseʼ towawleban.
/a.nu.na.tob.wseʔ.to.waw.le.ban/
[a.nu.na.tobʷ̚.wsḛʔ.to.wawˈle.ban]
anu na tob-w·se·ʼ to-wa·wle-ban
thing FOC too.much-do.repeatedly DEF.SG-annoy-1s
Excessive repetition is annoying.

Anu na tobwseʼ towawleban.
/a.nu.na.tob.wseʔ.to.waw.le.ban/
[a.nu.na.tobʷ̚.wsḛʔ.to.wawˈle.ban]
anu na tob-w·se·ʼ to-wa·wle-ban
thing FOC too.much-do.repeatedly DEF.SG-annoy-1s
Excessive repetition is annoying.

Anu na tobwseʼ towawleban.
/a.nu.na.tob.wseʔ.to.waw.le.ban/
[a.nu.na.tobʷ̚.wsḛʔ.to.wawˈle.ban]
anu na tob-w·se·ʼ to-wa·wle-ban
thing FOC too.much-do.repeatedly DEF.SG-annoy-1s
Excessive repetition is annoying.

Anu na tobwseʼ towawleban.
/a.nu.na.tob.wseʔ.to.waw.le.ban/
[a.nu.na.tobʷ̚.wsḛʔ.to.wawˈle.ban]
anu na tob-w·se·ʼ to-wa·wle-ban
thing FOC too.much-do.repeatedly DEF.SG-annoy-1s
Excessive repetition is annoying.

Anu na tobwseʼ towawleban.
/a.nu.na.tob.wseʔ.to.waw.le.ban/
[a.nu.na.tobʷ̚.wsḛʔ.to.wawˈle.ban]
anu na tob-w·se·ʼ to-wa·wle-ban
thing FOC too.much-do.repeatedly DEF.SG-annoy-1s
Excessive repetition is annoying.

Anu na tobwseʼ towawleban.
/a.nu.na.tob.wseʔ.to.waw.le.ban/
[a.nu.na.tobʷ̚.wsḛʔ.to.wawˈle.ban]
anu na tob-w·se·ʼ to-wa·wle-ban
thing FOC too.much-do.repeatedly DEF.SG-annoy-1s
Excessive repetition is annoying.

Anu na tobwseʼ towawleban.
/a.nu.na.tob.wseʔ.to.waw.le.ban/
[a.nu.na.tobʷ̚.wsḛʔ.to.wawˈle.ban]
anu na tob-w·se·ʼ to-wa·wle-ban
thing FOC too.much-do.repeatedly DEF.SG-annoy-1s
Excessive repetition is annoying.

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:32 am Anu na tobwseʼ towawleban.
Anu na tobwseʼ towawleban.
Anu na tobwseʼ towawleban.
Anu na tobwseʼ towawleban.
Anu na tobwseʼ towawleban.
Anu na tobwseʼ towawleban.
Anu na tobwseʼ towawleban.
Anu na tobwseʼ towawleban.

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(This experience maybe bringing smile to man saying a lot this...)
it seems to please the one who repeats...

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:32 am Excessive repetition is annoying.
Excessive repetition is annoying.
Excessive repetition is annoying.
Excessive repetition is annoying.
Excessive repetition is annoying.
Excessive repetition is annoying.
Excessive repetition is annoying.
Excessive repetition is annoying.

[cʼæ ˈtʼɑːɲeβɐ tsʼæː]
/kʼæ tʼɑːnibɑ tʼæː/
K'e t'aaniba t'ee?
k'e t'aan-i=ba t'ee
YES_NO need.PFV-PASS=SUBJ.3.S.M.INAN PROX.S.INAN
Was that necessary?

[ˈfɑʁrbɐ noːq reˈhɑlːɐ lɐˈʒiː ˈqɔːʃɐbːɐ ˈmime]
/fɑʁrbɑ nuːq riˈhɑllɑ lɑziː qɑwsæbbæ mimi/
Fagrba nuuq rihalla lazii qawsebbe mimi.
fagr=ba nuuq ri-hall-a lazi-i qaw-sebb-e mim-i
lose.PFV=SUBJ.3.S.M.INAN somehow NMLZ-speak.PFV-ERG new-ERG NMLZ-definite-CONST mim-GEN
Somehow the modern language lost the m-definite.

Travis B. wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 9:31 am Was that necessary?

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(my word done of nothing and old word of you...)
I was just repeating...

[ˈtɑːldnɐbɐ qɑːr hɐbˈloɣejɐ]
/tɑːldnɑbæ qɑːr hɑbluʁijæ/
Taaldnabe qaar hablugiye.
taal-d=na=be qaar hablugiye
gain.PFV-CAUS=SUBJ.1.S=OBJ.3.S.M.INAN some haplology
I added some haplology.

Travis B. wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 9:31 am

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:32 am Excessive repetition is annoying.
Excessive repetition is annoying.
Excessive repetition is annoying.
Excessive repetition is annoying.
Excessive repetition is annoying.
Excessive repetition is annoying.
Excessive repetition is annoying.
Excessive repetition is annoying.

[cʼæ ˈtʼɑːɲeβɐ tsʼæː]
/kʼæ tʼɑːnibɑ tʼæː/
K'e t'aaniba t'ee?
k'e t'aan-i=ba t'ee
YES_NO need.PFV-PASS=SUBJ.3.S.M.INAN PROX.S.INAN
Was that necessary?

Nayosbrwelbufwesneʼupesdin.
[na.jos.bə̆.rwel.buf.wes.neʔˈu.pes.din]
nayos-b-rwelbu-fw·e·s·n·eʼu-pes-din
thusly-1s-can-ask-BEN-2s

I could ask you the same thing.

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 7:33 pm fw·e·s·n·eʼu

[kʼɔː ʁɑˈqʼulː ʁoweˈðuː]
/kʼɑw ʁɑqʼull ʁuwiduː/
K'aw gaq'ull guwiduu?.
k'aw ga=q'ull gu=widu-u
INT.INAN 3.P.F.INAN=have_meaning.STAT MED.P.F.INAN=dot-ERG
What do those dots mean?

[ˈbætsɐ ɲenɐkɑˈɣitːdzɐt fɐˈkittsɐ sorˈjɑːjɑje]
/bætæ ninɑkɑʁittdæt fɑqittæ surjɑːjɑːji/
Bete ninakagittdet faqitte suryaayaayi.
be=te ni=na=ka=gitt-de-t fa-qittu-e suryaayaa-yi
OBJ.3.S.M.INAN=RETRO COMP=SUBJ.1.S=3.S.F.INAN=learn.IPFV-CAUS-REFL NMLZ-write.IPFV-CONST Syriac-GEN
I have been teaching myself Syriac script.

Travis B. wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 8:07 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 7:33 pm fw·e·s·n·eʼu

[kʼɔː ʁɐˈqʼulː ʁoweˈðuː]
/kʼɑw ʁɑqʼull ʁuwiduː/
K'aw gaq'ull guwiduu?.
k'aw ga=q'ull gu=widu-u
INT.INAN 3.P.F.INAN=have_meaning.STAT MED.P.F.INAN=dot-ERG
What do those dots mean?

Parts of a single lexeme which are analysable as distinct morphemes but unnecessary to gloss. Here the verb root is √fw-s-eʼu, with lexical aspect marker -e-n-, forming the lexeme fwesneʼu ‘ask’. (See https://www.verduria.org/viewtopic.php?p=79915#p79915 for details.)

bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:22 am

Travis B. wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 8:07 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 7:33 pm fw·e·s·n·eʼu

[kʼɔː ʁɐˈqʼulː ʁoweˈðuː]
/kʼɑw ʁɑqʼull ʁuwiduː/
K'aw gaq'ull guwiduu?.
k'aw ga=q'ull gu=widu-u
INT.INAN 3.P.F.INAN=have_meaning.STAT MED.P.F.INAN=dot-ERG
What do those dots mean?

Parts of a single lexeme which are analysable as distinct morphemes but unnecessary to gloss. Here the verb root is √fw-s-eʼu, with lexical aspect marker -e-n-, forming the lexeme fwesneʼu ‘ask’. (See https://www.verduria.org/viewtopic.php?p=79915#p79915 for details.)

[cʼæ ˈbætsɐ ɲetɐˈsɑstmɐβɐ wɐˈtsæːrtsɐ ˈmiðɐçe ʃɐˈwɑk]
/kʼæ bætæ nitɑsɑstmɑbæ wɑtæːrtæ midɑhi sæwɑk/
K'e bete nitasastmabe wateerte midahi sewak?
k'e be=te ni=ta-sast=ma=be wa-teert-e mida-h-i se=wak
INT.YES_NO OBJ.3.S.M.INAN=RETRO COMP=NPST-figure_out.PFV=SUBJ.2.S.M=OBJ.3.S.M.INAN PROCESS-change.IPFV-CONST time-F.ANIM-GEN PROX.S.INAN=BEN
Have you figured out diachronics for this?

Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:05 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:22 am

Travis B. wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 8:07 pm

[kʼɔː ʁɐˈqʼulː ʁoweˈðuː]
/kʼɑw ʁɑqʼull ʁuwiduː/
K'aw gaq'ull guwiduu?.
k'aw ga=q'ull gu=widu-u
INT.INAN 3.P.F.INAN=have_meaning.STAT MED.P.F.INAN=dot-ERG
What do those dots mean?

Parts of a single lexeme which are analysable as distinct morphemes but unnecessary to gloss. Here the verb root is √fw-s-eʼu, with lexical aspect marker -e-n-, forming the lexeme fwesneʼu ‘ask’. (See https://www.verduria.org/viewtopic.php?p=79915#p79915 for details.)

[cʼæ ˈbætsɐ ɲetɐˈsɑstmɐβɐ wɐˈtsæːrtsɐ ˈmiðɐçe ʃɐˈwɑk]
/kʼæ bætæ nitɑsɑstmɑbæ wɑtæːrtæ midɑhi sæwɑk/
K'e bete nitasastmabe wateerte midahi sewak?
k'e be=te ni=ta-sast=ma=be wa-teert-e mida-h-i se=wak
INT.YES_NO OBJ.3.S.M.INAN=RETRO COMP=NPST-figure_out.PFV=SUBJ.2.S.M=OBJ.3.S.M.INAN PROCESS-change.IPFV-CONST time-F.ANIM-GEN PROX.S.INAN=BEN
Have you figured out diachronics for this?

Bsiwaʼ.
[bziˈwaʔ]
b-si-w·a·ʼ
1s-PFV-do

Yes.

bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:06 pm

Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:05 pm [cʼæ ˈbætsɐ ɲetɐˈsɑstmɐβɐ wɐˈtsæːrtsɐ ˈmiðɐçe ʃɐˈwɑk]
/kʼæ bætæ nitɑsɑstmɑbæ wɑtæːrtæ midɑhi sæwɑk/
K'e bete nitasastmabe wateerte midahi sewak?
k'e be=te ni=ta-sast=ma=be wa-teert-e mida-h-i se=wak
INT.YES_NO OBJ.3.S.M.INAN=RETRO COMP=NPST-figure_out.PFV=SUBJ.2.S.M=OBJ.3.S.M.INAN PROCESS-change.IPFV-CONST time-F.ANIM-GEN PROX.S.INAN=BEN
Have you figured out diachronics for this?

Bsiwaʼ.
[bziˈwaʔ]
b-si-w·a·ʼ
1s-PFV-do

Yes.

目ゴナ良ナたゐ。
Āgāna ali na tui.

āg-ūn-a

see-IRR-1s

ali

good

na

at

t-ui

DEM.DIST-OBL

I'd like to see them.