Zompist Bboard Again

Yes it’s Hindi. @Nortaneous and @dewrad got it right.

I got that from the Wikipedia article on pigeons.

Birdlang wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 5:05 am I got that from the Wikipedia article on pigeons.

Do you have a link? I can’t find it anywhere.

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 5:16 am

Birdlang wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 5:05 am I got that from the Wikipedia article on pigeons.

Do you have a link? I can’t find it anywhere.

Here
https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/कबूतर

Birdlang wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 12:19 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 5:16 am

Birdlang wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 5:05 am I got that from the Wikipedia article on pigeons.

Do you have a link? I can’t find it anywhere.

Here
https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/कबूतर

Can I just clarify that making up your own transcriptions really isn't in the spirit of the game. Otherwise we end up with nonsense like "दा दी अनृकेनुङ् दृ अङ्गबौर्न् व्युर्द उंत् दृ ग्लैष्न् उंत् उन्वेरोइस्न्लिष्न् रेह्त आल मित्ग्लीद दृ ग्मैञ्षफ्त् दृ मेञ्ष्न् दी ग्रुन्द्लाग फों फ्राइहाइत् गरेह्तिकाइत् उंत् फ्रीद्न् इं दृ वेल्त् बिल्देत्"

Ok sorry

This should be easy:

holaiez naφoθ ziazi maraz maw sialχweiz awiz ewisθo zeronaiθ ziwai aker tawarzio wanalasial zeronai morinail holaiezi φokiasiale zeronaiθ ewisθo towerona rom haralio ziwai eptezio arai tiz φoke ziwai awiz sialχwiz marazm awiz aomai

dewrad wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:15 pm This should be easy:

Evidently you have a different definition of ‘easy’ to me — I don’t recognise it at all. (Although I keep on thinking this feels suspiciously familiar… not that that helps.)

holaiez naφoθ ziazi maraz maw sialχweiz awiz ewisθo zeronaiθ ziwai aker tawarzio wanalasial zeronai morinail holaiezi φokiasiale zeronaiθ ewisθo towerona rom haralio ziwai eptezio arai tiz φoke ziwai awiz sialχwiz marazm awiz aomai

Clarification: ⟨φ⟩ = /ɸ/, right?

I guessed correctly that it was one of two languages I was thinking of, but since I looked to confirm my guess, I can't mention it here.

dewrad wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:15 pm

holaiez naφoθ ziazi maraz maw sialχweiz awiz ewisθo zeronaiθ ziwai aker tawarzio wanalasial zeronai morinail holaiezi φokiasiale zeronaiθ ewisθo towerona rom haralio ziwai eptezio arai tiz φoke ziwai awiz sialχwiz marazm awiz aomai

All right, I’ll make a guess even though I still don’t have a clue… is it Indo-European?

bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:13 pm

dewrad wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:15 pm This should be easy:

Evidently you have a different definition of ‘easy’ to me — I don’t recognise it at all. (Although I keep on thinking this feels suspiciously familiar… not that that helps.)

holaiez naφoθ ziazi maraz maw sialχweiz awiz ewisθo zeronaiθ ziwai aker tawarzio wanalasial zeronai morinail holaiezi φokiasiale zeronaiθ ewisθo towerona rom haralio ziwai eptezio arai tiz φoke ziwai awiz sialχwiz marazm awiz aomai

Clarification: ⟨φ⟩ = /ɸ/, right?

I cannot vouch for the phonemic nature of the transcription used.

bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:46 pmAll right, I’ll make a guess even though I still don’t have a clue… is it Indo-European?

No.

dewrad wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:22 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:13 pm

dewrad wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:15 pm This should be easy:

Evidently you have a different definition of ‘easy’ to me — I don’t recognise it at all. (Although I keep on thinking this feels suspiciously familiar… not that that helps.)

holaiez naφoθ ziazi maraz maw sialχweiz awiz ewisθo zeronaiθ ziwai aker tawarzio wanalasial zeronai morinail holaiezi φokiasiale zeronaiθ ewisθo towerona rom haralio ziwai eptezio arai tiz φoke ziwai awiz sialχwiz marazm awiz aomai

Clarification: ⟨φ⟩ = /ɸ/, right?

I cannot vouch for the phonemic nature of the transcription used.

Let me rephrase my question then: in the text you have given, is the grapheme φ used to represent the sound more commonly denoted using the IPA as ɸ, irrespective of whether it is phonemic or not?

bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:43 pm Let me rephrase my question then: in the text you have given, is the grapheme φ used to represent the sound more commonly denoted using the IPA as ɸ, irrespective of whether it is phonemic or not?

⟨φ⟩ and ⟨ɸ⟩ are pretty much interchangeable, which one is used being a matter of taste on the part of whoever designed an orthography.

Spoiler!

Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:25 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:43 pm Let me rephrase my question then: in the text you have given, is the grapheme φ used to represent the sound more commonly denoted using the IPA as ɸ, irrespective of whether it is phonemic or not?

⟨φ⟩ and ⟨ɸ⟩ are pretty much interchangeable, which one is used being a matter of taste on the part of whoever designed an orthography.

True; I suppose it wasn’t a particularly good question in the first place.

Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:42 pm Spoiler!

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One note is that at the time this was written, that letter did not have the value it has in more recent language varieties.

I’m not entirely sure why you consider this a spoiler, given that it didn’t help me at all.

bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:43 pm

dewrad wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:22 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:13 pm

Evidently you have a different definition of ‘easy’ to me — I don’t recognise it at all. (Although I keep on thinking this feels suspiciously familiar… not that that helps.)



Clarification: ⟨φ⟩ = /ɸ/, right?

I cannot vouch for the phonemic nature of the transcription used.

Let me rephrase my question then: in the text you have given, is the grapheme φ used to represent the sound more commonly denoted using the IPA as ɸ, irrespective of whether it is phonemic or not?

Let me rephrase my response then - the orthography is given as-is, I do not have enough information to comment confidently on precisely what the graphemes represent (I'm willing to hang my hat on "bilabial", however). Sensu stricto, I should have referred to it as a transliteration rather than a transcription, if that helps any.

dewrad wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:46 pm Sensu stricto, I should have referred to it as a transliteration rather than a transcription, if that helps any.

Now that’s a spoiler — now we know it’s normally written in a non-Latin script! So: is it spoken in Asia?

bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:48 pm

dewrad wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:46 pm Sensu stricto, I should have referred to it as a transliteration rather than a transcription, if that helps any.

Now that’s a spoiler — now we know it’s normally written in a non-Latin script! So: is it spoken in Asia?

No.

dewrad wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:50 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:48 pm

dewrad wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:46 pm Sensu stricto, I should have referred to it as a transliteration rather than a transcription, if that helps any.

Now that’s a spoiler — now we know it’s normally written in a non-Latin script! So: is it spoken in Asia?

No.

Northern Africa then?

bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:51 pm

dewrad wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:50 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:48 pm

Now that’s a spoiler — now we know it’s normally written in a non-Latin script! So: is it spoken in Asia?

No.

Northern Africa then?

Also no.

Phonotactically that language looks like bronze-age Mediterranean IE to me. Or at least it reminds me a lot of Proto-Italic/Celtic/Hellenic, with some phonemes removed. Maybe the "φ" was literally Φ in the original.