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Re: United States Politics Thread 47
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 12:59 am
by rotting bones
Travis B. wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 7:56 pm
The people who are left-of-center who are worried about things smacking of Communism in that sense tend to be only barely left-of-center, e.g. people like my parents, who are really centrists, and who sometimes almost sound like anti-Trump conservatives.
The kind of people who were into The West Wing used to be considered left-leaning in America. That show is certainly McCarthyist in the sense of having paranoid Anti-Communism.
Re: United States Politics Thread 47
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 6:51 am
by Ares Land
zompist wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 6:11 pm
Ares Land wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 11:13 am
rotting bones wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 3:15 am
For me, a bigger worry than Russia is Milei's popularity after the way he governed.
I don't know enough about Argentina to tell if that's going to last long. But I'd expect Milei to be a model for future conservatives.
For stuff like this?
I don't understand it either. Milei is obviously crazy -- there's also the chainsaw, also that whole business with his dogs. But even here you come across a lot of people going 'Afuera!'
Re: United States Politics Thread 47
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 8:59 pm
by Ahzoh
The US is so damn cucked. The fascists are taking over the US faster than they took over Germany and faster than Stalin seized power after Lenin's death.
And now they done fired all the nuclear-related workers.
Re: United States Politics Thread 47
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:24 pm
by keenir
Ahzoh wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 8:59 pmAnd now they done fired all the nuclear-related workers.
given what happened when the head of the FAA in the USA was fired a week or three ago, should we start the clock to see how long before the President asks "first you wanted me to go swimming, now you want me to go nuclear swimming?"

Re: United States Politics Thread 47
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 7:57 am
by Raphael
Re: United States Politics Thread 47
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:04 pm
by malloc
Ahzoh wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 8:59 pmThe US is so damn cucked. The fascists are taking over the US faster than they took over Germany and faster than Stalin seized power after Lenin's death.
And now they done fired all the nuclear-related workers.
Quite. Trump has spent the past month steamrolling over one institution after another and repealing the past century of progress. Democrats in elected office have offered only token resistance and the few protests thus far have struggled to reach thousands of participants. Barring some truly fantastical miracles and vast swathes of the country suddenly changing their minds on political and social issues, Trump has already won.
Re: United States Politics Thread 47
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:30 pm
by Ahzoh
malloc wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:04 pm
Ahzoh wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 8:59 pmThe US is so damn cucked. The fascists are taking over the US faster than they took over Germany and faster than Stalin seized power after Lenin's death.
And now they done fired all the nuclear-related workers.
Quite. Trump has spent the past month steamrolling over one institution after another and repealing the past century of progress. Democrats in elected office have offered only token resistance and the few protests thus far have struggled to reach thousands of participants. Barring some truly fantastical miracles and vast swathes of the country suddenly changing their minds on political and social issues, Trump has already won.
One might suspect the Democrats are in on it. They're effectively collaborationists at this point.
Re: United States Politics Thread 47
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 4:41 am
by Raphael
Something someone who's posting on Bluesky under the pseudonym "William B. Fuckley" posted a few weeks ago:
In hindsight I think a generation of scholars and activists made a massive mistake in assuming that the conditions of (a, yes, deeply flawed in many ways) liberal democracy as the floor, the worst things could get, and so felt free to portray them in worst possible light. Whoops!
I've thought of that a lot since I first saw it.
Re: United States Politics Thread 47
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:50 am
by malloc
Raphael wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 4:41 amSomething someone who's posting on Bluesky under the pseudonym "William B. Fuckley" posted a few weeks ago:
In hindsight I think a generation of scholars and activists made a massive mistake in assuming that the conditions of (a, yes, deeply flawed in many ways) liberal democracy as the floor, the worst things could get, and so felt free to portray them in worst possible light. Whoops!
I've thought of that a lot since I first saw it.
Quite. Liberal democracy has plenty of room for criticism, but it also represents a genuine advance over authoritarian systems. Many people fail to appreciate the significance of multiparty elections and rule of law for instance. It often seems like some people confuse critiquing capitalism and liberalism with cynically rejecting the Enlightenment and modernity more generally.
Re: United States Politics Thread 47
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 2:25 pm
by alice
malloc wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:50 amQuite. Liberal democracy has plenty of room for criticism, but it also represents a genuine advance over authoritarian systems. Many people fail to appreciate the significance of multiparty elections and rule of law for instance. It often seems like some people confuse critiquing capitalism and liberalism with cynically rejecting the Enlightenment and modernity more generally.
Don't forget there are also those, some of whom are very influential, who equate capitalism with rejecting the Enlightenment, and think this is a good thing. In their minds the Enlightenment was a mistake and has failed.
Re: United States Politics Thread 47
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:03 pm
by rotting bones
Raphael wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 4:41 am
Something someone who's posting on Bluesky under the pseudonym "William B. Fuckley" posted a few weeks ago:
In hindsight I think a generation of scholars and activists made a massive mistake in assuming that the conditions of (a, yes, deeply flawed in many ways) liberal democracy as the floor, the worst things could get, and so felt free to portray them in worst possible light. Whoops!
I've thought of that a lot since I first saw it.
1. People cannot be motivated to fight without promising them more than what they have now.
2. People were repeatedly warned about Project 2025.
The fact is, humans have a lunacy problem:
https://youtu.be/P05xaNS2qYo?si=iYD7qJdA_p5nmyZ1
https://youtu.be/I2Gld5yhgAM?si=HdDTXMPzOIcVkeMb
https://youtu.be/KO07h7qrWEY?si=wX3PwzFJxl925Z-X
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