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Posted: **Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:44 pm**

Ser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:41 pm Phonotactically that language looks like bronze-age Mediterranean IE to me. Or at least it reminds me a lot of Proto-Italic/Celtic/Hellenic, with some phonemes removed. Maybe the "φ" was literally Φ in the original.

dewrad already said:

dewrad wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:22 pm
bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:46 pmAll right, I’ll make a guess even though I still don’t have a clue… is it Indo-European?
No.

Posted: **Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:15 am**

dewrad wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:15 pm This should be easy:

holaiez naφoθ ziazi maraz maw sialχweiz awiz ewisθo zeronaiθ ziwai aker tawarzio wanalasial zeronai morinail holaiezi φokiasiale zeronaiθ ewisθo towerona rom haralio ziwai eptezio arai tiz φoke ziwai awiz sialχwiz marazm awiz aomai

That's the Lemnos Stele - related to Etruscan.

Can you guess this:

In ́n Schneuklöcksken ess eun Stoff, iut den inner modernen Medezüin eun Meddel jiejen Ollersdoddelgkeut maket wärd; de Stoff kann de Alzheimer-Krankheut uphaulen. Öber vör ollen sind Schneuklöcksken de Frohtüit ühre Boten, wänn seu bloihen, hät de Winter baule eun Enne.

Posted: **Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:43 am**

WeepingElf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:15 am
In ́n Schneuklöcksken ess eun Stoff, iut den inner modernen Medezüin eun Meddel jiejen Ollersdoddelgkeut maket wärd; de Stoff kann de Alzheimer-Krankheut uphaulen. Öber vör ollen sind Schneuklöcksken de Frohtüit ühre Boten, wänn seu bloihen, hät de Winter baule eun Enne.

A High German language? But I’m guessing not Standard German.

Posted: **Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:48 am**

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:43 am
WeepingElf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:15 am
In ́n Schneuklöcksken ess eun Stoff, iut den inner modernen Medezüin eun Meddel jiejen Ollersdoddelgkeut maket wärd; de Stoff kann de Alzheimer-Krankheut uphaulen. Öber vör ollen sind Schneuklöcksken de Frohtüit ühre Boten, wänn seu bloihen, hät de Winter baule eun Enne.
A High German language? But I’m guessing not Standard German.

A High German language? With maket?

Posted: **Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:57 am**

That's definitely Low German.

But there are some curious aspects to it, because it is a Low German variety with /ʃn/ rather than /sn/, and /au/ rather than what I would assume would be /uː/.

Posted: **Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:09 am**

Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:57 am That's definitely Low German.

But there are some curious aspects to it, because it is a Low German variety with /ʃn/ rather than /sn/, and /au/ rather than what I would assume would be /uː/.

Right so far. A hint, which probably won't help much at this point, though: it is the L1 of my paternal grandparents.

Posted: **Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:18 am**

WeepingElf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:09 am
Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:57 am That's definitely Low German.

But there are some curious aspects to it, because it is a Low German variety with /ʃn/ rather than /sn/, and /au/ rather than what I would assume would be /uː/.
Right so far. A hint, which probably won't help much at this point, though: it is the L1 of my paternal grandparents.

Eastphalian?

Posted: **Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:18 pm**

Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:18 am
WeepingElf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:09 am
Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:57 am That's definitely Low German.

But there are some curious aspects to it, because it is a Low German variety with /ʃn/ rather than /sn/, and /au/ rather than what I would assume would be /uː/.
Right so far. A hint, which probably won't help much at this point, though: it is the L1 of my paternal grandparents.
Eastphalian?

Close, but no cigar.

Posted: **Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:00 pm**

WeepingElf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:18 pm
Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:18 am
WeepingElf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:09 am

Right so far. A hint, which probably won't help much at this point, though: it is the L1 of my paternal grandparents.
Eastphalian?
Close, but no cigar.

Westphalian then?

Posted: **Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:16 pm**

Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:00 pm
WeepingElf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:18 pm
Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:18 am

Eastphalian?
Close, but no cigar.
Westphalian then?

Yes, a Westphalian variety, though a specific one.

Posted: **Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:36 pm**

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:48 am
bradrn wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:43 am
WeepingElf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:15 am
A High German language? But I’m guessing not Standard German.
A High German language? With maket?

Outside of English (and a tiny bit of Afrikaans), I’m horribly unfamiliar with Germanic. (I’m horribly unfamiliar with most Indo-European, actually.) I always thought that High German looked more like Standard German, and Low German looked more like Dutch — so I guessed High German. But I see someone more familiar with the area solved it while I was sleeping, so there isn’t any point in making another guess.

Posted: **Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:42 pm**

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:36 pm Outside of English (and a tiny bit of Afrikaans), I’m horribly unfamiliar with Germanic. (I’m horribly unfamiliar with most Indo-European, actually.) I always thought that High German looked more like Standard German, and Low German looked more like Dutch — so I guessed High German. But I see someone more familiar with the area solved it while I was sleeping, so there isn’t any point in making another guess.

Key indicators are the use of de instead of der or die, the use of maket, and the use of up- (StG auf-).

Posted: **Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:08 pm**

Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:42 pm
bradrn wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:36 pm Outside of English (and a tiny bit of Afrikaans), I’m horribly unfamiliar with Germanic. (I’m horribly unfamiliar with most Indo-European, actually.) I always thought that High German looked more like Standard German, and Low German looked more like Dutch — so I guessed High German. But I see someone more familiar with the area solved it while I was sleeping, so there isn’t any point in making another guess.
Key indicators are the use of de instead of der or die, the use of maket, and the use of up- (StG auf-).

The Benrath Line, arguably the chief dividing line between Low German and High German, is the isogloss that separates varieties with maken from those with machen.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:58 am**

OK, I declare it solved, Travis B. was right. It is a Westphalian variety, spoken in the district of Lippe (between the Teutoburg Forest and the Weser river).

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:33 am**

ahiiā. yāsā. nəmaŋhā. ustānazastō.1 rafəδrahiiā.maniiə̄uš.2 mazdā.3 pouruuīm.4 spəṇtahiiā. aṣ̌ā. vīspə̄ṇg.5 š́iiaoϑanā.6vaŋhə̄uš. xratūm.7 manaŋhō. yā. xṣ̌nəuuīṣ̌ā.8 gə̄ušcā. uruuānəm.9:: (du. bār)::ahiiā. yāsā. nəmaŋhā. ustānazastō. rafəδrahiiā.maniiə̄uš. mazdā. pouruuīm. spəṇtahiiā. aṣ̌ā. vīspə̄ṇg. š́iiaoϑanā.vaŋhə̄uš. xratūm. manaŋhō. yā. xṣ̌nəuuīṣ̌ā. gə̄ušcā. uruuānəm.::

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:52 am**

Looks like straight-up Old Avestan. What's the twist?

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:00 am**

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:52 am Looks like straight-up Old Avestan. What's the twist?

Solved on the first try - it is Avestan! (Maybe I shouldn't use Wikipedia for language samples, they may be too recognizable.)

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:06 am**

Travis B. wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:00 amSolved on the first try - it is Avestan! (Maybe I shouldn't use Wikipedia for language samples, they may be too recognizable.)

I don't think that's much of a problem as opposed to Avestan being very recognizable in its conventional romanization (iiā uuī uuā iiao xš xr), which people are usually familiar with because of IE studies.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:24 am**

Oh damn, that means I have to pick something? Let's see what I have on my shelves...

Edit: Okay, this should be pretty easy. (I couldn't find the book I was looking for so I just grabbed something convenient.)

tale hata besa čokma, hoyã, hoyã
tak(a)losa tamaha na tahã, noweya, noweya
sapõta(k) bolokfa belesõ
taek sepe (hene) hattak sawa hene
ape losa šno aya-kšo rehkən hatta šni mayokoba
coka komə̃sa šno aya-kšo

Posted: **Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:15 pm**

Is it spoken in North America?

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