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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:56 am
Works the same way here in Germany.
Yes, and doesn't even the USA use that approach for income tax?
Yes, and doesn't even the USA use that approach for income tax?
Indeed (on multiple levels), as does (also) the Netherlands, though normally my withholding in the Netherlands is such that I owe nothing at the end of the year because of my partial tax exemption; most of my Dutch coworkers, however, get modest refunds each year of a few hundred euro. (And you can pay pretty substantial penalties if you don't have enough tax withheld: I narrowly avoided a state tax penalty one year due to under-withholding.) But, in contrast, normally utilities are paid monthly in the US based on actual usage (or they were where I lived), so I was at first surprised at the approach in the Netherlands (and especially the result for this past year being actually paying nothing net!).
I don't know the rules for every country, but a lot of Europaen countries use deduction at source for income from employment. There are countries where you don't even have to submit an income declaration if your only income is from employment and your interest income e.g. from bank accounts is below the tax-free threshold; in those countries you only do that if you have deductions for which you can get a refund that are not taken into account when income tax is deducted at source. This used to be the case in Germany, but isn't anymore; nowadays everyone who has an income above a (low) threshold must submit a declaration.
So Germany used to have a PAYE-like system but now doesn't? That seems very odd for a country which is generally regarded as being efficient and progressive.hwhatting wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:00 amI don't know the rules for every country, but a lot of Europaen countries use deduction at source for income from employment. There are countries where you don't even have to submit an income declaration if your only income is from employment and your interest income e.g. from bank accounts is below the tax-free threshold; in those countries you only do that if you have deductions for which you can get a refund that are not taken into account when income tax is deducted at source. This used to be the case in Germany, but isn't anymore; nowadays everyone who has an income above a (low) threshold must submit a declaration.
I mean, the Netherlands has a deduction at source system, but tax declarations are still compulsory every year (also partly because the Netherlands has an asset tax), and France also required everyone to submit declarations (at least for the two tax years I lived there). Luxembourg is more like the UK in that you normally didn't have to submit a declaration if your sole income was from employment and fell below about €100K (though with some exceptions): out of the six (!) tax years I worked there, I only submitted declarations in three of them.Jonlang wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:50 amSo Germany used to have a PAYE-like system but now doesn't? That seems very odd for a country which is generally regarded as being efficient and progressive.hwhatting wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:00 amI don't know the rules for every country, but a lot of Europaen countries use deduction at source for income from employment. There are countries where you don't even have to submit an income declaration if your only income is from employment and your interest income e.g. from bank accounts is below the tax-free threshold; in those countries you only do that if you have deductions for which you can get a refund that are not taken into account when income tax is deducted at source. This used to be the case in Germany, but isn't anymore; nowadays everyone who has an income above a (low) threshold must submit a declaration.
No, maybe I worded that the wrong way, the deduction at source is still there, it's just that now (almost) everyone has to submit a declaration on top of that - it used to be that you didn't have to if all your income was from one employer and your interest income was below the threshold.Jonlang wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:50 amSo Germany used to have a PAYE-like system but now doesn't?hwhatting wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:00 am I don't know the rules for every country, but a lot of Europaen countries use deduction at source for income from employment. There are countries where you don't even have to submit an income declaration if your only income is from employment and your interest income e.g. from bank accounts is below the tax-free threshold; in those countries you only do that if you have deductions for which you can get a refund that are not taken into account when income tax is deducted at source. This used to be the case in Germany, but isn't anymore; nowadays everyone who has an income above a (low) threshold must submit a declaration.
That's what we want other countries to believe. Poke anywhere and you find it's not the case - our government agencies still exchange most information via fax; when you have systems where you can put in data online they then get printed out, put in folders, and put in manually in the IT systems where they have to go because those systems are old and don't have interfaces to the online entry systems... it's a tragedy, and at the same time absolutely ridiculous for people coming from countries where they really understand digitalisation, like Estonia.That seems very odd for a country which is generally regarded as being efficient and progressive.
Thank you!Man in Space wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:27 pm I had forgotten just how information-rich The Conlanger’s Lexipedia is. zompist, it really is an amazing resource on multiple levels. Thank you for writing it.
Either that or Gandalf had the option of sending an email but refused lest Sauron and his minions intercept with a cyberattack.
I didn't know that either. I always thought it was a weird name!
It has meanwhile been established that Tolkien recorded the name incorrectly.