Page 18 of 23
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:49 am
by Raphael
Ares Land wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:08 am
I never really understood why Chomsky is important -- outside of linguistics, that is.
I think he started out as one of the authors whose political writings were influential among the 1968 generation, or perhaps a bit later. It's just that unlike many other influential authors from that period, he stayed alive, and kept churning out political writings, for a long, long time.
Fun fact: Justin B. Rye, who's politically very far to the Left, but also very much interested in Linguistics, once expressed his opinion that "Chomsky should stick to politics".
I don't see the point of arguing about his precise ideology. It's clearly more a matter of psychology than political theory for him. Like all too many people who are into politics, he mainly cares about going on hating the people he's always hated.
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:59 am
by Ares Land
Raphael wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:49 am
Fun fact: Justin B. Rye, who's politically very far to the Left, but also very much interested in Linguistics, once expressed his opinion that "Chomsky should stick to politics".
Funny that; I have almost opposite views
I don't see the point of arguing about his precise ideology. It's clearly more a matter of psychology than political theory for him. Like all too many people who are into politics, he mainly cares about going on hating the people he's always hated.
If there's a pattern, it's a simple one of swallowing propaganda hook, bait and sinker as long as it's not American. It's a very common pattern, and a thoroughly cross partisan one: you'll find examples of it left, right or center.
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:26 pm
by chris_notts
Ares Land wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:59 am
Raphael wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:49 am
Fun fact: Justin B. Rye, who's politically very far to the Left, but also very much interested in Linguistics, once expressed his opinion that "Chomsky should stick to politics".
Funny that; I have almost opposite views
I unite the two in the view that Chomsky should probably stick to something outside of both of those areas.
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:32 pm
by Moose-tache
Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:35 am
Moose-tache wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:05 am
Also, "He's not a Communist; he's an Anarchist" is totally the left wing version of "I'm not Republican; I'm Libertarian."
[a bunch of shit that proves my point]
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:34 pm
by Travis B.
Ares Land wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:59 am
Raphael wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:49 am
Fun fact: Justin B. Rye, who's politically very far to the Left, but also very much interested in Linguistics, once expressed his opinion that "Chomsky should stick to politics".
Funny that; I have almost opposite views
I don't see the point of arguing about his precise ideology. It's clearly more a matter of psychology than political theory for him. Like all too many people who are into politics, he mainly cares about going on hating the people he's always hated.
If there's a pattern, it's a simple one of swallowing propaganda hook, bait and sinker as long as it's not American. It's a very common pattern, and a thoroughly cross partisan one: you'll find examples of it left, right or center.
I find this to be rather unfortunate in his case as I in many ways would agree with his political views if it were not for this.
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:43 pm
by Travis B.
Moose-tache wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:32 pm
Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:35 am
Moose-tache wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:05 am
Also, "He's not a Communist; he's an Anarchist" is totally the left wing version of "I'm not Republican; I'm Libertarian."
[a bunch of shit that proves my point]
Did you even read what I wrote, or are you reflexively blathering?
Anyways, Republicans and so-called "Libertarians" are nearly identical in their actual views, while big-C Communists and anarchists really have in common that they are (in the case of big-C Communists, ostensibly) socialist.
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:20 pm
by Raphael
So. What now?
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:38 am
by hwhatting
Raphael wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:20 pmSo. What now?
Ummm... that is a VERY open question...?
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:46 am
by Raphael
hwhatting wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:38 am
Raphael wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:20 pmSo. What now?
Ummm... that is a VERY open question...?
I'm talking about the supposed "terrorist attack" on Russia yesterday, and today's meeting of the Russian National Security Council.
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:53 am
by hwhatting
Raphael wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:46 am
I'm talking about the supposed "terrorist attack" on Russia yesterday, and today's meeting of the Russian National Security Council.
Oh, they're probably
going to invade Ukraine... wait, they did that already! So I guess, it doesn't mean anything except more Russian mouth-foaming?
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:21 am
by Linguoboy
Raphael wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:46 am
hwhatting wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:38 am
Raphael wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:20 pmSo. What now?
Ummm... that is a VERY open question...?
I'm talking about the supposed "terrorist attack" on Russia yesterday, and today's meeting of the Russian National Security Council.
This didn't even make headline news here. What I'm seeing is mostly coverage of the apparent growing rift between the Wagner Group and the regular Russian army (probably because it's music to USAmerican ears).
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:56 pm
by bradrn
Linguoboy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:21 am
Raphael wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:46 am
hwhatting wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:38 am
Ummm... that is a VERY open question...?
I'm talking about the supposed "terrorist attack" on Russia yesterday, and today's meeting of the Russian National Security Council.
This didn't even make headline news here. What I'm seeing is mostly coverage of the apparent growing rift between the Wagner Group and the regular Russian army (probably because it's music to USAmerican ears).
Same here. What was the news?
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:58 pm
by Raphael
bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:56 pm
Same here. What was the news?
Russia claimed that "Ukrainian terrorists" had supposedly carried out an attack on Russian territory, and Putin summoned a meeting of the Russian National Security Council in response. Not much seems to have come out of that so far.
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:25 am
by Raphael
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:22 pm
by hwhatting
Nothing new there. I rather like this gem from the same site:
"Abandoned as a baby, raised up by Gaelic football"
Made me think of "Castaway".
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2023 12:16 pm
by Raphael
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Wed May 03, 2023 11:51 am
by Raphael
Now Russia claims to have shot down Ukrainian drones that were attacking the Kremlin - yeah, like drones could make it all the way from the Russian-Ukrainian border to Moscow without getting trouble from Russian air defenses, but get stopped just in time before reaching the Kremlin - and Medvedev calls for "eliminating" Zelensky.
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Thu May 04, 2023 6:00 am
by hwhatting
Raphael wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 11:51 am
yeah, like drones could make it all the way from the Russian-Ukrainian border to Moscow without getting trouble from Russian air defenses
Reminds me of
Mathias Rust, who luckily wasn't shot down. Together with the fact that Russian aircarft bombed the Russian city of Belgorod not long ago, this looks like the usual Russian chaos.
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Thu May 04, 2023 9:23 am
by Raphael
hwhatting wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 6:00 am
Reminds me of
Mathias Rust, who luckily wasn't shot down. Together with the fact that Russian aircarft bombed the Russian city of Belgorod not long ago, this looks like the usual Russian chaos.
That might be, but the fact that Russia is now blaming
the USA for the whole thing is still pretty worrying.
Re: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted: Thu May 04, 2023 10:22 am
by alynnidalar
That's hardly new, with Ukraine. The US has been somehow at fault for everything since the beginning, in the eyes of the Russian government.