Zompist Bboard Again

doctor shark wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:32 pm I like money.
[snip]

I always like your money, I must say.

I made a table!

Case	M Noun -V	M Noun -C	F Noun -V	F Noun -C	M Adj -V	M Adj -C	F Adj -V	F Adj -C
DIR	thâle-∅	koist-∅	thâle-∅	koist-∅	chnjé-∅	hõkʼâdh-∅	chnjé-∅	hõkʼâdh-∅
DAT	thâle-p	koist-p	thâle-f	koist-ɩ-f	chnjé-zp	hõkʼâdh-ɩ-zp	chnjé-f	hõkʼâdh-ɩ-f
LOC	thâle-zh	koist-ɩ-zh	thâle-∅	koist-∅	chnjé-z	hõkʼâdh-ɩ-z	chnjé-j	hõkʼâdh-ɩ-j
INSTR	thale-qâe	koist-qáe	thâle-k	koist-k	chnje-zkáe	hõkʼadh-kâe	chnjé-ch	hõkʼâdh-ch
COM	thâle-st	koist-ɩ-st	thâle-s	koist-ɩ-s	chnjé-zt	hõkʼâdh-ɩ-zt	chnjé-sh	hõkʼâdh-ɩ-sh
PRIV	thâle-lø	koist-ø	thâle-woe	koist-oe	chnjé-lø	hõkʼâdh-ø	chnjé-joe	hõkʼâdh-oe
EQU	thâle-k	koist-k	thâle-kh	koist-ɩ-kh	chnjé-zk	hõkʼâdh-k	chnjé-j	hõkʼâdh-ɩ-j
COMP	thâle~je (~jV)	koist~oi (~V)	thâle~we (~wV)	koist~woi (~wV)	chnjé-z	hõkʼâdh-ɩ-z	chnjé-j	hõkʼâdh-ɩ-j
ABL	thâle-m	koist-ɩ-m	thâle-p	koist-p	chnjé-n	hõkʼâdh-ɩ-n	chnjé-p	hõkʼâdh-p
ALL	thâle-lj	koist-ɩ-m	thale-lɩ̂	koist-ɩ-lɩ́	chnjé-lø	hõkʼâdh-ø	chnje-jɩ́	hõkʼadh-jɩ̂
VOC	thâle-wo	koist-o	thâle-∅	koist-∅	chnjé-∅	hõkʼadh-∅	chnjé-∅	hõkʼâdh-∅

Don’t ask me how long it took, please… except now I have to make a similar one for all the pronouns… and the demonstratives… and probably a bunch of other things that I haven’t thought of yet… aaargh.

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 7:03 am I made a table!

Don’t ask me how long it took, please… except now I have to make a similar one for all the pronouns… and the demonstratives… and probably a bunch of other things that I haven’t thought of yet… aaargh.

Congrats on the table, but why would you want to ever finish?

hwhatting wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 8:36 am

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 7:03 am I made a table!

Don’t ask me how long it took, please… except now I have to make a similar one for all the pronouns… and the demonstratives… and probably a bunch of other things that I haven’t thought of yet… aaargh.

Congrats on the table, but why would you want to ever finish?

What sort of question is that‽ That table was painful to write. I needed to make 88 separate suffixes!

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:42 pm What sort of question is that‽ That table was painful to write. I needed to make 88 separate suffixes!

I assume you mean the coming up with the content of the table (the actual suffix forms) rather than just making the table for the post? Or maybe it's both.

I feel your pain. I had a similar number for Yokai's verb concords, and it took me 5+ months to come up with something I'm happy with!!!

Vardelm wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 5:48 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:42 pm What sort of question is that‽ That table was painful to write. I needed to make 88 separate suffixes!

I assume you mean the coming up with the content of the table (the actual suffix forms) rather than just making the table for the post? Or maybe it's both.

Oh, both, though mostly the content: the table was easier since I did everything in Excel.

I feel your pain. I had a similar number for Yokai's verb concords, and it took me 5+ months to come up with something I'm happy with!!!

I was deliberately trying to be quick and non-perfectionistic for this one, so it only took me a week or so of procrastination.

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:42 pm What sort of question is that‽ That table was painful to write. I needed to make 88 separate suffixes!

Then we obviously have different tastes in conlanging. Creating inflections is the most fun part! (And I come from a family of model railroad enthusiatst - the fun is in the building; if you ever finish a layout, that means you have to tear it down and start the next. Same for conlangs with me, except for the tearing down.)

hwhatting wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:51 am

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:42 pm What sort of question is that‽ That table was painful to write. I needed to make 88 separate suffixes!

Then we obviously have different tastes in conlanging. Creating inflections is the most fun part!

What an odd attitude. Making roots and affixes is a simple matter of putting phonemes together. Any novice conlanger could do it. Morphosyntax and semantics, on the other hand, are much more interesting.to learn about and create.

(And I come from a family of model railroad enthusiatst - the fun is in the building; if you ever finish a layout, that means you have to tear it down and start the next. Same for conlangs with me, except for the tearing down.)

Yes, I tend to do this as well.

bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 5:32 am What an odd attitude. Making roots and affixes is a simple matter of putting phonemes together. Any novice conlanger could do it. Morphosyntax and semantics, on the other hand, are much more interesting.to learn about and create.

Well, my tables tend to include the morphonolgy - my main project is an IE ex-post language, so tracing the development of the stem - suffix combinations and the effects of analogy is important. Semantics and (morpho-)syntax are, of course, also important and fun parts.

And… I made another one!

Case

1SG

1PL

2SG

2SG (polite)

2PL

3SG.M

3SG.F

3PL (M & F)

PROX.SG.M

PROX.SG.F

PROX.PL.M

PROX.PL.F

REM.SG.M

REM.SG.F

REM.PL (M & F)

NOM

tai

nai

soe

noe

nũ

pe

fe

mẽ

kʼae

khae

õkʼae

õkhae

pe

fe

mẽ

ACC

tae

nae

zø

noe

nũ

pɩ

fɩ

mĩ

kʼe

khe

õkʼe

õkhe

pɩ

fɩ

mĩ

DAT

tap

nap

soep

noep

nũm

pep

fep

mẽp

kʼaep

khef

õkʼaep

õkhef

pep

fef

mẽp

LOC

tazh

nazh

soezh

noezh

nũnj

pezh

fezh

mẽzh

kʼaezh

khaezh

õkʼaezh

õkhaezh

pezh

fezh

mẽzh

INSTR

—

—

—

—

—

peqâe

feqâe

mẽqâe

kʼaeqâe

khaek

õkʼaeqâe

õkhaek

peqâe

feqâe

mẽqâe

COM

tasi

nasi

soesi

noesi

nũsi

pesi

fesi

mẽsi

kʼaest

khaes

õkʼaest

õkhaes

pest

fes

mẽst

PRIV

tao

nao

sø

nø

nõ

peo

feo

mẽo

kʼaelø

khaewoe

õkʼaelø

õkhaewoe

pelø

fewoe

mẽlø

COMP

taji

naji

soewoe

noewoe

nũwoe

peje

feje

mẽje

kʼaejae

khaejae

õkʼaejae

õkhaejae

peje

fewe

mẽje

ABL

tam

nam

soem

noem

nũm

pem

fem

mẽm

kʼaem

khaep

õkʼaem

õkhaep

pem

fep

mẽm

ALL

taw

naw

soe

noe

nũ

pei

fei

mẽi

kʼei

khei

õkʼei

õkhei

pei

fei

mẽi

(Did you know that phpBB adds a scrollbar to posts with tables which are too wide? Neither did I!)

hwhatting wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:36 am

bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 5:32 am What an odd attitude. Making roots and affixes is a simple matter of putting phonemes together. Any novice conlanger could do it. Morphosyntax and semantics, on the other hand, are much more interesting.to learn about and create.

Well, my tables tend to include the morphonolgy - my main project is an IE ex-post language, so tracing the development of the stem - suffix combinations and the effects of analogy is important. Semantics and (morpho-)syntax are, of course, also important and fun parts.

Ah, in that case the forms themselves become much more important.

Just finished a list of 838 Proto-Hesperic root words, based on The Oxford Introduction to Proto-Indo-European and the Proto-Indo-European World by J. P. Mallory and D. Q. Adams (2007).

Glückwunsch!

Thank you! It was a long and tedious work

past couple of days but:

• figured out comparative adjectives in modern gothic (next up: superlatives)
• cleaned up the anthologica writeups and filled more out, and made a (private) page to collect more thoughts and notes to myself that i can use at home or at work
• finally figured out which sound change was giving me all these GODDAMN homophones all over the place (it was the rule that deletes the first of two adjacent fricatives, which among other things meant that tons of words beginning with sw, fw, etc. all just began with /v/ now)

i will be changing that rule post haste, probably replacing "F₁F₂ > F₂" with "F₁F₂ > F₁P" (zv > zb etc.)

Emily wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:37 pm i will be changing that rule post haste, probably replacing "F₁F₂ > F₂" with "F₁F₂ > F₁P" (zv > zb etc.)

Why not just change it to delete the second fricative? So sw → s, fw → f etc.

My guess is they probably like the result of the fortition better?

yeah i'm gonna try a couple different possibilities when i'm tinkering but without having run the tests yet i'm guessing i'm going to find the results of FF>FP more interesting than just deleting the other one instead

well it turns out that didn't solve the problem, back to the drawing board

otoh, anthologica gives you the option to edit your writeups in html rather than bbcode, which gives you more flexibility, so it's been fun scraping the rust off my html/css skils

Maybe simply let the fricative pairs exist?

wow rude