Re: The Allosphere
Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:19 am
Retraction is fine; possibly this is about vowel glottalization or something, and became pharyngealization, cf. Arabic and probably Lolo-Burmese. Then it becomes tone, syllable tone simplifies into word tone, and word tone simplifies into stress accent for Rau. The clicks are of course absent.me in 2013 wrote:Initials:
p t c k ʔp ʔt ʔc ʔk ʔ
b d ɟ g ʔb ʔd ʔɟ ʔg
m n ɲ ŋ
f s h
l j w ʔl ʔj ʔw
ʘ ! ǁ ǂ ʔʘ ʔ! ʔǁ ʔǂ nʘ n! nǁ nǂ
Rimes:
a e o i u + length
ai au oi eu
Two suprasegmentals: vowel retroflexion (spreading over to coronals, which turn to retroflexes) written with -r, and 'retraction' applying to a syllable as a whole, written with an underdot on the vowel.
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*p *t *c *ć *k *q
*b *d *ʒ *đ *g
*m *n *ŋ
*mˀ *nˀ *ŋˀ
*ṁ *ṅ *ŋ̇
*s *ś *ḫ *h
*z *ź
*w *r *l *y *ḥ
*ẉ *ṛ *ḷ *ẏ
*wˀ *rˀ *lˀ *yˀ
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*p *t *c *ć *k *q
*b *d *ʒ *đ *g
*m *n *ŋ
*ṁ *ṅ *ŋ̇
*s *ś *ḫ *h
*z *ź
*w *r *l *y *ḥ
*ẉ *ṛ *ḷ *ẏ
Sigh...the Index Diachronica is almost completely devoid of anything on Sinitic! I am almost certain the answer is "yes". In any case, obstruents and sonorants tend to operate sufficiently differently that we can hand-wave this. (Consider, for example, /w/, which is just as velar as it is labial, but considerably less likely to undergo palatalization than /k/.)Nortaneous wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:22 pmIs the velar nasal being uniquely unaffected by palatalization attested?
Proto-Vengic | V'eng | Gejaehl Hlu | Thing[/cell] | Zot | What |
qavengi | vʼëŋ | ʔwɤɲ | ʔwíɲ | wẽ̂ | ɲʼaŋ |
mekaa | mka | mɯy | mē | mɣɛ̌ | məkiy |
hotenga | theŋ | hɯɲ | θéŋ | ðẽ́ | mənʼyah |
nakasa | nkas | ŋgɔɬ | ŋgáθ | nɣǐ | ləkiy |
fukee | khe | hu | fv̩̄ | fɣí | wəki̤y |
cim | ciŋ | se | sí | zĩ́ | sĩy |
cuqaca | cʼac | ʔɔc | ʔāc | yí | səʔas |
miruya | mri | ywɤy | mrí | mlòza | mərɲah |
mayaa | mya | mæ | máy | mlɛ̀ | mah |
tongaa | ŋʼa | ɗoŋ | tóŋ | ðɛ̃́ | təŋiy |
tenga | teŋ | ɗɯɲ | téŋ | kyɛ̃̀ | tiŋ |
tamnga | taŋ | ɗɔŋ | táŋ | ðɛ̃́ | nʼẽŋ |
pera | per | ɓi | pér | plɛ̀ | pir |
yam | yaŋ | yɔ | yá | zɛ̃̀ | ɲẽy |
kusaa | sʼa | ɠɤɬ | kɤ́θ | hɛ́ | pəɲiy |
maxure | mxör | ŋgwi | ŋgɤ́r | mlì | məwra̤h |
pimkimra | kʼër | cwɤ | cwǎr | ɣẽ́ | mʼəŋna̤h |
rakaru | skor | yɯ | gɭ̩́ | lɣǒ | rəkyar |
terumxu | trux | tɔh | trū | ðé | tərɨ̃h |
tuuba | tu | ɗɤp | tūp | wɛ̂ | tup |
yinapa | nyap | ynɔw | nyǎw | nɵ̀ | ɲəlap |
zipuNa | spëm | ywɤ | wyúr | wǒ | ləmʼãh |
Nevo | drö | yɔw | ráw | ɲù | yĩm |
kimu | kim | ʄim | cím | wû | kiym |
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qa- sa- yem-
ne- se-
tem- do-
pa-
0-
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ûng fûng yùng
nù fûng
ûng tùng
ûng
mù
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nyê hnyê nyì
nè hnyê
nyê tè
nyûr
nywì
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gáng qáng gyáng
ngǎ qáng
gáng tgǎng
gáng
gíng
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nâ hnâ yàeng
nyàe hyâe
yâeng twàeng
nwâ
nâ
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ûrng fûrng yùrng
nùr fûrng
ûrng tûrng
ûrng
mùr
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>1SG >2SG >MSG >FSG >ISG
1SG> ---- zõu zîsing zûrpae zyâe
2SG> nyǔ ---- nìsing nùrpae nyàe
MSG> zyũ zõu zîsing zûrpae zyâe
FSG> yũ ũ wîsing wûrpae wyâe
ISG> lyǔ lǒu lìsing lùrpae lyàe
INC> ---- ---- hîsing fûrpae hyâe
2PL> hyũ ---- hîsing fûrpae hyâe
3PL> syǔ tǒu sìsing tùrpae syàe
EXC> ---- yǔ ìsing yùrpae yàe
It is now shit what?Nortaneous wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:51 pm I never got around to making Zot as Shit Khmer so it is now Shit Skouic
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>1/2SG >MSG >FSG >PL
1SG> pũ ʔa lã dʑi
2SG> mu ʔba ma dʑi
MSG> ʔu ʔa ʔla si
FSG> ɲu ʔwa ɲa tɕi
1PL> nu ʔda na di
2PL> pũ ʔa lã dʑi
3PL> ɲu sa ɲa ti
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EGO tu yu tu ywi
1 yuyaeq ywiyaeq
2 yuwu ywiwu
3 yula ywila
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EGO tau rau tau rwi
1 rauyeq rwiyeq
2 ddawu ddwiwu
3 rwa rywa
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nyxf hnyxf nyap
nap hnyaf
nyaf hnyap
nywxf
nyxf
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wif fif wip
nwip fif
wif twip
wif
pip