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Re: Halloween

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:16 am
by Man in Space
He had [ɑ], but I was on my phone and could not type that.

Re: Halloween

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:10 am
by Sol717
Linguoboy wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:55 pmWhy just in this word, though?.

It is not "just in this word" though. Plenty of other Scots forms exist in AmE varieties; for instance, obsolete Appalachian [ˈɪŋən] "onion" can be compared to Scots ingan "id." (from earlier *[ˈʊnjʊn] with a change of [ʊ] to [ɪ] as in simmer "summer" and [nj] to [ŋ(j)] as in Menzies, traditionally [ˈmɪŋɪs]).
Linguoboy wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:55 pmBecause Halloween entred American English from Scottish English? I would have thought Irish English a more likely source given the ethnic makeup of the USA.
There was plenty of Scottish settlement in the US, especially in the South and Appalachia; it is just more opaque because the settlers' descendants retain less of their forebears' ethnic consciousness.
Linguoboy wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:55 pmCompare, for instance, the common pronunciation of karaoke as /ˌkɛ.ɹiˈoʊ.ki/. NAE speakers could quite easily better approximate the Japanese pronunciation--there is a personal name Cara after all. But Carrie is more common and probably influenced the shift of the first vowel.)
A more parsimonious explanation is that karaoke is /ˌkæɹiˈəʊki/ (etc.) rather than /ˌkæɹəˈəʊki/ because sequences of schwa immediately before a (secondarily-)stressed vowel.are very rare in English (especially in everyday vocabulary); no analogical explanation is needed.