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Re: Cleir Lerimánio

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:28 pm
by sasasha
zompist wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:07 pm This really sounds great. I maybe gave you a hard time about the emotion in the Lácaturian song, but that's because passion is what makes Lácaturian singers popular. Both the text and the song are performed just right here. For Eleďi this is a thrilling text but one they've heard hundreds of times, it should be done joyfully but not melodramatically.
Oh, thanks!! I'm glad it hits the spot, mood-wise. (I didn't at all think you'd given me a hard time, btw! Pointers like that are the only way to get closer to the right kind of work.)
Kind of want to hear a heavy metal version (much) later on. :)
Omg. Yes. For now I'm excited about an Eleďe oratorio; but I can't wait for someone to come one day with electric guitars and an elcarin sound system and shred this text to oblivion.
I like that you're getting fluent in speaking (and singing!) Verdurian. I do notice that you lose the c/k distinction sometimes. Now it may be that in singing they do approach each other. But it can also add some drama to the first line, where the harsh k sounds are describing the monster.
It may turn out to be that I've always pronounced uvulars more as pre-uvulars, which is interesting for me to note. That, combined with the phonetic confusion that comes from the mental load of ‘performing’ something in another language (you're thinking about a lot of things at once), and the large number of uvulars and velars close together in a few places, means the distinction isn't getting articulated cleanly.

Do you have any tips on what Verdurians do when c and g come into direct contact with k and ř, e.g. at word boundaries? Is there any assimilation? Release, or lack thereof? Epenthesis...?

For the record, I have a terrible time remembering vocab, and it would be an extreme stretch to say I'm getting fluent at speaking Verdurian. I'm trying, though! I feel I have the morphology mostly down, and getting a better feel for the nuances of the syntax, though memory fails me there too. It's just learning all the words! Silorai prosicem ibum ke sen mižele ab disnurian.

Incidentally, the more I get familiar with Almean languages, the easier the music thing is. Stands to reason: the languages are among the main data sets to hang all this on. Still, I had to edit that little sentence about 6 times. :roll:
PPS. I noticed a grammatical error: it should be “com ctelán”.
True!
Also... I'm not confident on ke imutoran eseyü (why have I got 3p here rather than 3s? Think it should just be eseyu?), and curce tu cruyece (this tu is there because I noticed curec requires an object, but now it feels wrong to have used the impersonal pronoun to supply an unstated inanimate... But što also feels maybe wrong for some reason, like it's too concrete...?). I did this a while ago, so I may have forgotten that I knew things that I don't know now!

Re: Cleir Lerimánio

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:42 pm
by zompist
sasasha wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:28 pm It may turn out to be that I've always pronounced uvulars more as pre-uvulars, which is interesting for me to note. That, combined with the phonetic confusion that comes from the mental load of ‘performing’ something in another language (you're thinking about a lot of things at once), and the large number of uvulars and velars close together in a few places, means the distinction isn't getting articulated cleanly.
I have to remember it too. :) Sometimes I sensed that you were making a distinction, but not always. I know it's hard to get it all right!
Do you have any tips on what Verdurians do when c and g come into direct contact with k and ř, e.g. at word boundaries? Is there any assimilation? Release, or lack thereof? Epenthesis...?
Just assimilate those bad boys. E.g. Ak guleren can be pronounced ac guleren. And ktuvóc Ktuďece, if there' no break between, can be ktuvók Ktuďece.
Also... I'm not confident on ke imutoran eseyü (why have I got 3p here rather than 3s? Think it should just be eseyu?),
Looks like you just made the heroes plural, which is fine.
and curce tu cruyece (this tu is there because I noticed curec requires an object, but now it feels wrong to have used the impersonal pronoun to supply an unstated inanimate... But što also feels maybe wrong for some reason, like it's too concrete...?). I did this a while ago, so I may have forgotten that I knew things that I don't know now!
How about curce tot cruyece? Shouldn't change the meter, and the meaning fits better ("he held that (thing) tightly").

Re: Almeomusica

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:27 pm
by sasasha
Thanks for the tips, much appreciated! I'll update the text with tot :)

Meet the Žambeys

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2023 1:56 am
by sasasha
For anyone new to this project, I have been exploring the lives of the Žambey family, resident in Žésifo in the 33rd-35th centuries, who were significant in shaping Eretaldan music leading up to 3480.

I had given the Žambeys their own thread, experimenting with what feels best as a way to keep the subproject together. But now it feels weird it being separated from the big project, so I'm moving it (again!) here. Apologies for all the format changes ‒ I'm just trying to find what works for my workflow and as a way to present the material. I’ll probably keep adding to this post, as it keeps it neat and prevents me worrying that I’ll forget or lose some details. Some multimedia elements will be linked to outside of the ‘more’ boxes. When I post a new episode, I’ll post an alert and a snippet.

This is all a draft, and I appreciate any and all support to help work it up to a good standard of Almean versimilitude!


Prelude: compiled from the Žambey family annals
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What follows is heavily patrilineal and scanty on further details. This is due to Verdurian patronymics, and inheritance customs: it's easy to trace who someone's father is, and property is usually inherited by the eldest male child, if one exists. Because of this (pseudo-)historiographical approach, the family's women swim into higher resolutions as we approach 3480 ‒ there's (of course) room to add detail later, but our 3480 Verdurians would not necessarily know much more than this.


Dasco Nečeronei Žambey - b. 3218
A baker serving locally famous baked treats in Scušana. He was said to hold a good tune on the lüra.

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Efaristo Dascei Žambey - b. 3255 (age of father at birth: 37)
In 3304, when Mëranac 1e conquered Ctésifon, Efaristo Žambey was granted a minor noble title (in the province of Ctésifon) for distinguished military service, and moved to a small but well-located estate in the outskirts of Žésifo.

The family continued to support the Abolinerons, and was loyal to Icëlana; when Ctésifon regained its independence and in the wake of the Civil War the Žambeys’ title was downgraded, though the family maintained an amount of wealth and influence due to its association with the Temple of Enäron and Išira.

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Pelerin Efaristei Žambey - b. 3289 (34)
The second son of Efaristo Žambey, Pelerin attended the cletana in and became a distinguished priest (cüre) in Ctésifon’s Temple of Enäron and Išira. (The first son, Dasco Efaristei Žambey, continued his father’s estate and a military career.)

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Oporo Pelerinei Žambey - b. 3315 (26)
Priest, sent to the Cletana Aďië at Lake Como, eventually became a cüre and the Director of Ceremonies at the temple of Enäron and Išira.

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Taidan Oporei Žambey - b. 3341 (26)
Priest (altcliďu) and organist, oversaw the installation of an organ (a Xurnese novelty, adapted for Eretaldan taste and musical predilection) in the temple of Enäron and Išira.

(His second cousin, Medro Dascei Žambey, was executed for treason during the Abolineron dynastic struggle and reassertion of Ctésifoni independence under the Aďlon dynasty. Taidan, having gained the interest, if not quite respect, of the Žésifo establishment through the organ project, managed to organise to inherit the family estate, on the proviso that a portion of it was donated to King Čipelric, and a portion to the Temple.)

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Šm. Vuraneon Taidanei Žambey - b.3363 (22)
= Lereže Řescörei Tire b.3361
A printer rather than priest by trade, specialising in music printing, Vuraneon nevertheless continued his family’s prestigious affiliation, becoming keeper of the Žésifo Enäron and Išira temple’s music library. He also worked for the Irun Academy on developing new styles of musical type. Children: Kaidan and Kutro Vuraneonei Žambey. His wife, Lereže Řescörei Tire, died in childbirth with Kutro, and he didn’t remarry; Kaidan more or less brought up Kutro, as their father was rarely home.

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Kaidan Vuraneonei Žambey - b.3390 (27)
(protagonist of The Minstrel and the Rods, and brother of Kutro) - see future episodes!

Episode 1: Vuraneon Žambey, Fatandor Revouse and the ill-fated engagement
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Vuraneon Žambey met Fatandor Revouse when Revouse spent a year in Žésifo. Revouse investigated using Žambey as a printer, as he was happy to print loglaunî in circles (due to his experiments with type). In the end the collaboration fell through due to costs and creative differences (and Revouse’s grammar was printed rather more rigidly elsewhere); however, Revouse and Žambey remained friends. The telnë redelcë to whom Revouse dedicated his grammar may have been an acquaintance of Žambey’s. Revouse had a neice, Elucöra Orestei Revouse, whose marriage he later agreed to fix with Kaidan Žambey – however, the engagement ended in scandal as Kaidan was found to be sleeping with a stablehand in Orest Revouse’s household in Ulian (who had tended Elucöra’s horse when she had once visited Žésifo, and Kaidan’s when he visited Ulian for a month to make arrangements). When challenged, an inebriated Kaidan admitted to Orest that he was in love with the stablehand (Como Zaharei Bosey) and that he dreamed of living with him in alia fifelei (i.e. a love partnership), as opposed to living out a marisa išire (arranged marriage). This threw Elucöra, on overhearing, into a deep despair. Elucöra insisted the engagement be cut off; Orest felt he had no choice but to refuse the marriage. He also dismissed Como Bosey, who joined a ship bound for Karímia.


Notes:

loglaunî ‒ declensions/conjugations, lit. ‘word circles’.

telnë redelcë ‒ fine woman

Elucöra and Orest Revouse ‒ as yet non-canonical Revouses I've invented for this storyline

visited... arrangements... ‒ I'm not sure how unusual this arranged marriage is, given that the families are in different cities (and countries). The Žambeys are technically nobles, though not at all eminent ones; the Revouses aren't, from what I can tell, but they are prominent and influential. Hence a match could be said to provide benefits to both families. Princesses travelling for arranged marriages are mentioned as a demographic on the Almeopedia ‘Travel’ page; in the 35th century, with increasing travel and interconnectedness across the Plain, perhaps it's not unheard of for arranged marriages of the middle and upper classes to span the nearby etaldete nations/regions. In any case, the families are probably being progressive in arranging for the pair to spend so long visiting each other; a concession to modernity, perhaps, which can be said to have spectacularly backfired.

alia fifelei ‒ Kaidan's dalliance is not much more than personally offensive, emotionally difficult and socially embarrassing for the Revouses. It's a bit unseemly, but it happens. The epicentre of the scandal is Kaidan's unwillingness to put it behind him, and his gauche forward-thinking that imagines a world (as a better world than the one he is in) in which two men could openly cohabit as a couple. To help draw the distinction, he employs alia fifelei ‘lifestyle of Fifel’ rather than the more common phrase marisa fifelei ‘marriage of Fifel’, which just refers to a marriage rooted in a love match.

Bosey ‒ no connection to Bosie Douglas, Wilde's lover, was (consciously) intended; now I've realised this coincidence I may change the name, although it has stuck in my head... I see Como as intelligent and fundamentally kind, two qualities which Bosie seems to have been a little short in, so I don't much like the link.

Episode 2: Printers of the world, squabble
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Kaidan Žambey found that his disgrace on returning to Žésifo was even worse than it had been in Ulian: details of the scandal, leaked by an unknown source, had been published in a periodical circulated by a rival printer. His father, while largely nonplussed about the affair, was furious with him for breaking off the engagement and souring an important relationship, and embarrassed by the report, which did not paint his son in a good light. It was presently impossible for Kaidan to work for the family printing business ‒ though he was not formally disinherited. He was refused employment by a number of temples and theatres and almost as soon as he had returned from Ulian he petitioned his father to secure him another licence to travel abroad, this time for three years rather than one, which Vuraneon reluctantly agreed to do. Once the licence was granted, Kaidan set off north again on the river, intending either to find Como, or to secure work elsewhere in Eretald, or both. A decent dičura and kaena player, singer and composer, he made a paltry living for a season as a wandering minstrel; he was resourceful by nature, and lucky in a down-and-out sort of way, and was able to get by, despite his fall from grace – though he did not find Como on the Svetla.

(Kaidan always suspected that Zahar Bosey, an opportunistic, unscrupulous man who seemed to care little for his children’s wellbeing, and whom he had very much not enjoyed once meeting, had been the source for the printed scandal ‒ i.e. he sold his son’s own reputation to the highest bidder. This may have been partially motivated by saving face for Como, as Žambey was portrayed in by far the more unforgiving manner.)

Episode 3: ...and fatten a duck
Some estimated travel times from Žésifo of relevance now (and later) can be found here.
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Diary of Kaidan Žambey
15 reli 3422 (scúreden)

Father sent Baruto to bring me the letter at the Sönilec at 1h. The ink was still fresh on the envelope. He said I had so little with me I could be off for a week rather than potentially three years, and that I’d better not come back dead. We shed a few tears. He said he wished he could come with me. He gave me some more bread and cheese. I told him to keep Kutranko laughing for me until I'm back.

The barge is the Sešue Sariley; it is rough and ready. The captain is a graženom Sfica, whose Eř is so thick he might as well be Kebreni. There are about 40 passengers on board, all dressed, like me, about as anonymously as possible.

The dičura in its little red case attracted a bit of awkward attention. I played ‘Imazipanei Enšeyna’ to get the mood going, and throw off the scent of money. I ate just bread.

Didn’t alight at Descer. Too close, couldn't face looking at the letter again, and don’t want to spend anything until I have to. Asked a man in a frayed greenish cloak where I was supposed to sleep. He gestured to the deck and smiled without any teeth. I’m sat writing on a dark bit of the bow deck by triple moonlight wearing nearly everything I’ve got and it’s bloody cold.



Notes:

scúreden - I didn’t at first know what day of the week it really was, but number crunching reveals it to have been a scúreden, not širden as originally stated. Incidentally I made a spreadsheet tool for calculating the day of the week in a Verdurian date... but forgot where I put it, so this is a placeholder until I find it to add a link!

Baruto - Bar Capirei Pavon, servant of the Žambeys

Sönilec - an inn near the docks in Žésifo, where Kaidan had spent the previous night (‘saddler’, and a ženata)

1h - 7am

Kutranko - Kaidan’s brother Kutro, 8 years his junior (note that Kaidan is already 32 and Kutro 24). Kaidan uses a perjorative diminutive - affectionately.

Sešue Sariley - heavy Eastener

Imazipanei Enšeyna - ‘Fatten a duck’ – a popular song with a catchy hook about what to do when a hostile army’s coming (something like something like a funnier Verdurian version of ‘get on the river / row out of sight / kiss your boss goodbye / he’s burning tonight / find a deep cave / fill it with beer / and three or four lovers / and fatten a duck’.)

Interlude: Imazipanei Enšeyna
Find a draft of the song here.
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Ažfäsireu boemam / feleceo is soán řayán
leave behind bank / sail out of the edge
Get on the river, sail out of sight

levätireu fečel / siča fošte solialán
kiss boss / he will be blazing at dawn
Kiss your boss goodbye; he’s burning tonight

tróuenei sfeluca / faitnei plenë ab fužlán
find a cavern / make it full using dark beer
Find a deep cave; fill it with stout

er ďunem iy ďinem luanem / er imazipanei enšeyna
and [find] two or three lookers / and fatten a duck
And two or three lovers, and fatten a duck

cuéh cuéh cuéh
quack quack quack


Notes:

The song from which this extract is taken gives sardonic, slightly surreal advice to those awaiting the arrival of a hostile army. It has its origins in Ctésifon, and contains a number of dialect- and register-specific features.

fošte - a Basfahe form (Mažtane would be fožrete). This verb has particular connotations for Ctésifonians - to quote the Dictionary of Verdurian: “fožir - v. Ag. - blaze [Naviu fägia ‘burn in triumph’, a word imprinted in the Caďinorians’ memories during the Naviu occupation of Ctésifon, 2435]”

faitnei - a Basfahe form (Mažtane would be faitanei)

fužlán - a Basfahe form (Mažtane would be fužulán, and would also use the partitive genitive here where Basfahe tends not to)

luana - a Basfahe term for a sexy person, often glossed 'fox'. I'm sad it isn't literally derived from 'fox' as that would be a lovely counterpoint to the duck theme! Ah well.

er ďunem iy ďinem luanem was, originally, be “er ďunî iy ďinî luanî”. I'm happy to have changed it - but perhaps I could have got away with this, since (a) I don't know if in some dialects of colloquial Verdurian there might be trends of eroding the nom/acc distinction this way, and (b) I kinda like the way it could be an unfinished clause inside another unfinished clause - like, we're waiting for a verb to find out what the two or three lovers are gonna do to us, but instead we get a perverse instruction to fatten a duck.

Episode 4: Dobray, kingdom of mushrooms
Find a discussion and draft of the melody of the partsong mentioned in this post here.
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Diary of Kaidan Žambey
16 reli 3422 (širden)

Trying not to leave this boat could have become fatal rather too quickly. I decided to unpick a besima from my coatsleeves and change it in Dobray, so I could sleep in a bed. Customs took my letter without incident, though not without a little bribe.

Dobray is as chaotic as I remembered. I watched its unbridled organic swirl from an elevated spot under an enormous maple in the grounds of the Eleďe cathedral, which I gravitated to simply because, being ‘up’ from anywhere, I could reliably find it. From there one sees a thousand movements, hears a thousand voices, smells a thousand smells. Mingled smokeclouds climb the hill, from a hundred workshops carrying on a thousand trades. Žésifo has never swirled like this. It flows in orderly streams, like the middle Svetla, always conscious of its purposes, and its eddies are immediately sorted into single file by tribes of civil servants. Dobray is instead like the mad world beneath the surface where the brown Adel and the green Svetla meet: tumbling and drowning, ecosystems collide and rattle together to the riverbed and back again. Or it is a kingdom of mushrooms, great clans of them outcropping on top of each other, at once nourishing and poisoning, delighting and disgusting, and giving each other funny dreams.

I ducked into the cathedral when I heard music softly leaking out of it. It was a choir, of men’s and women’s voices, rehearsing in five parts a setting of verses which I dimly recognised were from The Count of Years. Though modest in scale, it was a work of marvellous construction, the parts weaving in and out from each other as in a round ‒ and yet each independent of form, as I have heard is the Avélan fashion. It was sung in Verdurian, and at one moment or another it transported me vividly to a marshy landscape in which the hero valiantly slays a demon, almost like a sung drama. Though, to my ear, consistent of tonality and timbre to a point sometimes approaching tedium, its textural complexity was greater than anything I have heard sung in a temple, and I could not help but feel that the music by itself must please Enäron.

Blending in with a small posse of sitters taking shelter from a sudden rainstorm, I lingered until the rehearsal was over, musing on the vagaries of fate that lead one child to one faith and another child to another, and asking myself and my forebears why we have so vehemently stuck to employment within the Caďin temples. Must we really be so stubborn? I should like to learn how to make voices weave like that; to swirl like Dobray.

When the dome of the great building had quietened of both singing and the worst of the rain, and the light from its high windows dimmed, I left its shadows and propelled myself back down the hill. Being couched in the world of Eleď had put me in mind of Como. Perhaps he had come here. Perhaps he had alighted here. Perhaps he was here. I should ask at the dockside inns.

The problem with navigating by ‘up’ is that the reverse process does not hold: there are so many ‘downs’ to choose from. In the semi-darkness, with the changed shift of the night-crowd and the blazing torchlight, I lost my way. I found myself in a muddy whirl of drinkers and thieves, near a river, but which I wasn’t sure. I began to tire and panic that I wouldn’t be able to find the Sešue Sariley again in the morning. I asked my way back to the docks and found myself at the wrong docks.

Never mind, I thought, he might as well have been here as anywhere. I went in and asked the innkeeper if he had given board to anyone with Como’s long blond hair and scar on the left of his chin. The innkeeper gestured at the fifty or so people crammed in the room with us and gawped at me as if I was mad. I left and repeated the same madness five or six times. Eventually I settled for asking for a room, and here I am, hiding from the crisp spring night in a third floor room of the Řaše Mecin, my boots steaming in front of the meagre but welcome fire. I ate half of Baruto’s cheese for lunch and bought a soup here this evening (perhaps merely a barony of mushrooms). I think it is a good hour’s walk back over to the other docks. I will have to sleep and the long thin bed looks positively heavenly after my ordeal on deck last night. Good night, diary. Good night, Como. Good night, love.


Notes:

besima ‒ small gold coin from Ctésifon. Travellers often sewed coins into their clothing.

letter ‒ Dobray is in Krasnaya, a different country. Kaidan needed a written licence to leave Ctésifon, which he seems to have got hold of in a way which is causing him some anxiety.

cathedral ‒ Dobray is the seat of the Eleďe patriarchate in southern Eretald.

thousand... thousand... thousand... ‒ Žésifo in Kaidan's day is more populous than Dobray. But Dobray is less ordered, less moneyed, less planned, and is known to have grown so fast in the age of manufacturing that it is notoriously difficult to navigate. Kaidan is yet to visit any city larger than Žésifo.

civil servants ‒ what term do I mean here? Maybe not this one.

brown Adel... green Svetla ‒ I have no idea what colour the rivers should be. (NB on the enormous map of Eretald, this river is called the Aränë; I'm assuming this is outdated and the Aränë now only refers to the portion above the confluence with the Adel?)

ecosystems ‒ there's no Verdurian term for this exact concept yet as far as I'm aware, but perhaps there's a related concept which someone may be able to point me to.

almost like a sung drama ‒ this is the foundational period for the development of opera as an art form in Eretald. Kaidan's eldest neice will be able to make a living as an opera singer within 30 years. (Though I must say that I'm still developing this chronology!)

Řaše Mecin ‒ the Pink Mecin inn. The mecin is a Flaidish coin, once a standard in Eretald. Why this one is pink is anyone's guess; flaids like bright colours, from what I can tell, and the Floran flag is a rash of reds and pinks, so maybe there's just an association. The inn clearly has flaid-shaped beds.

Good night, love ‒ Kaidan actually says ‘Good night, Fifel’, invoking one of the two attendants of Vlerë, goddess of love. Fifel is particularly associated with gay love and unseemly romantic passion.

Episode 5: mean blue lady

Episode 6: tireless hands and perfect arms

Episode 7: a spring knife

Episode 8: something about shepherds

Re: Meet the Žambeys

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2023 1:58 am
by sasasha
Update alert

Subproject:
Meet the Žambeys

Episode 4: Dobray, kingdom of mushrooms is now up.
“Dobray is like the mad world beneath the surface where the brown Adel and green Svetla meet: tumbling and drowning, ecosystems collide and rattle together to the riverbed and back again.”

Re: Meet the Žambeys

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:51 am
by sasasha
Subproject index
Episode 5: mean blue lady

Diary of Kaidan Žambey
17 reli 3422 (fidren)
Day 3: Dobray to Trežda

Nothing happened today, except for my almost missing cast-off. Nothing but feeling hungry, cramped and sad, and retching on using the barge latrine. I tried to sleep on the benches in the relative warmth of noon. Trežda is still in Krasnaya. We will pass into Verdúria tomorrow.

I alighted and got a limp zer and hard bed at the Mal Bardinó (where they haven't heard of Como). It was the only inn I could see on the sad waterfront. The sky was a sad mist, the water a sad mirror, the air a sad, cold, unwelcome bastard penetrating sad, tired, unwilling lungs.

While half my spirit was bleeding slowly into Išária the other half did tune up the dičura and do a few songs. There were kids at the inn, five of them, all little, who had ditched their sozzled families to play together. They came and watched while I caught the last grey rays and twanged away under the eaves, while the water dragged by in front of me. It was cold out, but it smelled better than inside.

“Gn. Ružë-Češa,” said the kid called Verek. “What are the pointy bits for?”

“They’re pegs to tune the strings with, Verek,” I said. He looked surprised that I knew his name, despite the fact they’d all been screaming it for twenty minutes playing kašuek.

“Why has he got so many strings?” the kid called Danži whispered to Verek, setting them all off into shy giggles. I decided to do a little lesson.

“The big string is called Enäron,” I began.

“My daddy gives special presents to Enäron,” said Danži, confidently now.

“Mine too, mine too,” said the kid called Körka. “It’s called a sackwibice.”

“Well done, you two, Enäron is a god, so we sacrifice to him. He’s the biggest and most important god. Enäron is also the biggest and most important of our strings. All the other strings are named after other gods. Do any of you know any more gods?”

I was more than a little shocked by what they came up with. I had at my feet the children of cultists and perverts. And one Eleďe.

“Alright, alright! Erm, most of those gods don’t actually have strings of their own. Has anyone heard of Fidra?”

“She’s the mean blue lady who rules the night,” said Bunbul in a scary-story voice.

“Yes, Bunbul, well done. She’s to whom we dedicate our second most important string. Can you hear how they go together?”

I played F̣Ẹ, F̣Ė, F̣Ẹ̇ a few times.

“But isn’t Enäron’s wife Išira?”, said the Eleďe girl, whose name I hadn’t caught, and was a little older.

“Well done, pavula, I guess you listen in school, eh. Well, the string names don’t really work like that. They’re in order like the months of the year, only, we start at Enäron, and sometimes we miss some of them out. And once we’ve been through them once we start again at Enäron… And Išira is actually the string below Fidra‒”

“Maybe Enäron and Fidra are more like special friends?” interrupted the Eleďe girl.

“Um. Well. They say… that once, Enäron and Řavcaena were… uh… special friends. And then Išira got… cross with Řavcaëna, so then‒”

“My mummy gets cross with my daddy’s special friends, too,” said Danži.

“Mine too! Mine too!” cried Körka and Verek, while the Eleďe girl nodded gravely.

At that I saw the man I had clocked as the father of (at least) Verek and Danži, an enormous man with arms the width of my head, striding across the the dock towards us. I thought it was probably time to end the lesson, and scuttled into the common room before I got an eyeful.

Alright, I guess not nothing happened…



Notes:

zer ‒ pizza

Mal Bardinó ‒ Bad Coyote

Išária ‒ underworld

dičura ‒ zither. Evidently Kaidan has a chromatic zither, with 12 strings per octave. What he hasn’t remarked on is the slight angling of the strings: in each octave, five are strung angled up to the left, four to the right, and three are level (and set just a little higher than the others). The right side is for embre (lit. ‘bitter, alkaline’) notes; the left side for egre (lit. ‘sour, acidic, sharp’) notes; the level notes are seor (lit. ‘clean, moral, pure’). Consequently there’s an area for playing the instrument diatonically (the right), an area to pick accidentals from (the left), and an area which highlights the strongest notes of the unison, fourth and fifth (the middle).*

Gn. Ružë-Češa ‒ Mr Red Case, after Kaidan’s red dičura case

kašuek ‒ hide and seek, lit. ‘hide yourself’

Edit ‒ originally the kids were boat passengers and this scene took place on board. On reflection I had imagined too many passengers on the barge, which largely draws cargo. So now they come from the inn. (Is it anachronistic that Kaidan learns their names this quickly? I think he is used to teaching small children, and he’s a people-watcher, so I reckon it’s just in his wheelhouse to notice what they’re called and how they interact.)



Note names

Since the Aďivro, Eretaldan note names have been standardised as (the vernacular reflexes of) the 12 chief Caďin gods, in essentially the same order that organises the calendar, though beginning at Enäron, rather than Řavcaëna. Note that Barakhûn also has a parallel set of note names for its decaphonic-derived system.

In the Aďivro, god names are often shortened with a dot beneath the first letter (with the exception of Escis, which uses the letter Ṣ).

This became standard practice to notate pitches. The system was extended so a dot above the abbreviation meant a note in an upper octave. This suited traditionally two-octave instruments such as the late-classical dičura and many of its modern reflexes, and the kaena. A dot both above and below means play the note in both octaves. (This system was later extended with more dots.)

The following table shows the sequence of note names in Caďinor and Verdurian, their notational abbreviation, their scale degree counting semitones from zero = tonic, and their rough terrestrial equivalents taking Enäron as (roughly) our note D.

Caďinor Verdurian Semitones Equivalent
Endauron Enäron 0 D
Veharies Vlerë 1 E♭ / D♯
Caloteion Caloton 2 E
Boďnehais Boďneay 3 F
Oronteion Oruseon 4 F♯ / G♭
Agireis Ažirei 5 G
Iscira Išira 6 G♯ / A♭
Fidora Fidra 7 A
Mieranac Mëranac 8 B♭ / A♯
Escis Eši 9 B
Kravcaena Řavcaëna 10 C
Necťeruon Nečeron 11 C♯ / D♭


Complications

Before the Aďivro, it had still been common practice to use god names for pitches. But which gods were used for which pitches varied considerably. Also, the Aďivro is our earliest complete evidence of a cyclical dodecaphonic system in use in Caďinor: previous documented traditions name fewer than 12 scale degrees. Or in one case, 36: six sets of six scale degrees, in a non-cyclical system somewhat reminiscent of an incomplete version of the Chinese Shi-er-lü. Pre-Aďivro music notation, whilst fairly plentiful, is thus notoriously difficult to interpret by non-specialists.

There are shortenings of the full note names, though there is local variation in this regard (TBC).

Kebri uses a compatible system with native nomenclature; the present system clearly post-dates the Aďivro, as its note names begin with the same letters, making Kebreni notation compatible (TBC). There have been attempts to ‘Eleďify’ the Verdurian system, including Erenáti proposals to rename notes after Eleďe saints, but these have not attracted widespread interest.

The Cuzeians had documented their division of the octave into 12 pitches nearly two thousand years prior, though they left no notated music. Cuzeian theorist Einatu implies that the Meťaiun used 6 or 7 notes, but had variants for each, which some scholars have interpreted as evidence of the Meťaiun originating the 12-note octave.

This system is a hybrid moveable-Do and fixed-Do system. I will say more about this later; for now I've chosen D to represent Enäron for two reasons: (a) what we call the Dorian mode (all the white keys of the piano from D-D) is one of the three foundational heptatonic modes of the Caďin system as set out in the Aďivro, so learning to think from D-D would marginally help you become more Almean in your music-making; (b) in the modern system, cumpogul Enäron (‘absolute Enäron’) is fixed at 12^12 cycles per piya, equivalent to about 564.93 Hz, which is between our D and C# (thanks to Mark for help with the calculations!).

Edit:
*If you’re looking for a major/minor equivalent, it was to be found here, but after further work I think I’m going to change a few things (including the colouring of the keyboard, to come) and disappoint/confuse you: embre is now taken to mean ‘less pure than seor, but less dissonant than egre’. The Dorian (‘Svetle’) mode being foundational to this system, its notes are the seven embre and seor notes (including our minor third). The others are egre ‒ including our major third. It may help to see egre as describing citrus fruit (which can be both sweet and sour) ‒ and embre as describing e.g. berries (again, can be sweet, though not in the same sharp-edged way as an orange, and sometimes bitter... this is attested ‒ embrezihe means ‘raspberry’). I’m going to try to let this idea settle ‒ it may go back to how it was before (e.g. the notes we call major are ‘egre’ and those we call minor are ‘embre’ ‒ though note that Eretaldan scales are not categorised in terms of their ‘major/minor’ profile).

Another note: this isn’t exactly a little instrument. Kaidan’s case is probably half the size of his pack and has to be carried next to it, awkwardly over his shoulder or on his front. It has around 30 strings (covering two and a bit octaves), weighs a good deal more than nothing would, is relatively fragile, and could have taken him a whole 20-minute kašuek game to tune. It’s not enormously loud, either ‒ though it is strung with metal strings, has a well-crafted soundbox, and can carry better when picked with long fingernails or fingerpicks, played with beaters, and/or set on a bespoke frame (which, of course, Kaidan has not brought). It’s far from an ideal traveller’s instrument ‒ but he loves it, and it’s his best chance of making money, so here it is.

Re: Almeomusica

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 5:47 pm
by zompist
Neat stuff:

"Gm" should be "Gn"...I know it's weird.:)

I really hope you have an actual piano tuned to Eretaldan norms. :)

Re: Almeomusica

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:25 am
by Ares Land
I really like this subproject!

Re: Almeomusica

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:42 pm
by sasasha
zompist wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 5:47 pm Neat stuff:

"Gm" should be "Gn"...I know it's weird.:)

I really hope you have an actual piano tuned to Eretaldan norms. :)
Thanks! And ah, another enjoyable quirk!

I don't... But you might be able to get this guy to do it...
Ares Land wrote: Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:25 am I really like this subproject!
Ah, thank you!! I'm enjoying it too.

Čište i Ismai

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:09 am
by sasasha
Edit: eek, it’s čište! Will rectify later.

I’m not much of a whizz with the old digital art, but here is an idea for how a late 35th- / early 36th-century Verdurian advertisement for a (Verdurian-made) Ismaîn-style čište might look. It was mainly a bit of fun, but it’s produced some food for thought so I thought I'd share it and ask what does and doesn’t seem to hit the spot!

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The text reads (in English) ‘Čišta [sic] of Ismahi, by Žilir Žambey’. In the upper left corner (and on the instrument itself) is the Žilir Žambey logo, alongside the Caďin sunburst symbol, which also forms the sound-holes. The logo is constructed of the letters ‘žilirž’.

This is my first attempt to draw a čište. I do not intend to stick by this design necessarily. The instrument is described in various ways in the Almea canon, including as a ‘mandolin’ and ‘bulbous guitar’. They would come in various shapes, sizes and designs. In this design, the bulbous shape is designed to help the instrument sit firmly against the human body (either the knee, calf or belly, depending on one of several possible playing positions) leaving the player’s left hand free to jump up and down the neck in virtuosic melodic playing. There are four playing strings (tuned, and here colour-coded, to Caloton, Enäron, Fidra, Enäron) and three sympathetic strings occupying tubular holes in the neck. This instrument, probably the soprano member of its family, isn’t very large: probably a metre long at maximum. Lower family members can be (much) bigger and require sitting on the floor or standing to play.

I’m fairly certain the frets are fairly low, and made of steel, like the composite bridge (which serves both the playing strings and the sympathetic strings in two courses). I am toying with involving the fingernails of the left hand in actually stopping the strings and sliding on them, maybe even with adornments or additions (metallic hoods worn over them, or metal ‘blobs’ studded into them, perhaps); or, possibly, players will curate their fingernails carefully to have little indents perfectly calibrated to their strings, and keep their nails precisely the right length to be able to play either ‘on the nail’ (producing a clear, bright sound, emphasising slides) or ‘on the callus’ (producing a tone more consistent with our own guitars). I don’t want steel strings; not for the playing strings, anyway; sheep gut, or in modern times, nylon, would be common. (If ‘on the nail’ turns out to be the common way to play, the string materials will need to be thought out in terms of durability too.)

A design element I don’t like yet: I envisage the action to be fairly low and the player to be able to stop strings (without frets) very high up, on the actual body of the instrument. The sympathetic strings though require a fairly thick fretboard raised some way off the body. I will think on this more; at present there would be a sort of cataract after the 12th fret, interrupting smoothly sliding over it. Perhaps it would produce interesting character, though.

Žilir Žambey began making instruments in the 3460s having inherited his uncle’s workshop in Žésifo. By the turn of the century he was a household name: learning from elcarin production methods, he made both instruments of outstanding quality for professional players, and mass-produced popular instruments which were more than passably good. His was also the first workshop in Eretald to produce a range of instruments hearkening from the outlying cultures of the Plain: Ismaîn and Barakhinei instruments in particular joined the more familiar instruments of the Svetla and Verdúria city.

Re: Almeomusica

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:37 am
by Raphael
Neat! What impact would the fact that the sound holes have the shape of the Caďin sunburst symbol have on the acoustics?

Re: Almeomusica

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2023 11:07 am
by sasasha
I was literally just wondering that. Anyone here got some physics they can lend me? :)

Soundholes come in a wide variety of shapes and sizes; usually they're somewhat rounded, though. Maybe all the corners of the sunburst should be smoothed out...

I'll do some reading!

I can say a couple of things about tone re this instrument. It will be capable of a really wide variety of timbres, and experimenting with that is what gave it its current form. The sympathetic strings lend a mysterious reverb, and can be turned in various ways to emphasise certain frequencies and make certain different types of chords ring. The ‘on the nail’ timbre is an acoustic reference to srava playing, i.e. using a bar to stop the strings (a common, if now distinctly folky, technique of the vyon family). A variety of plectra and plucking techniques are used.

This is thought of as principally a melodic instrument, but with caveats/flourishes. Its playing style may be most like the Iranian setar, with virtuousic use of the whole fretboard common, and much attention given to the ‘flourishing’ of the non-melody strings in consort with the string currently bearing the melody. The sympathetic strings put us in the world of the sitar. The gut strings, small size and steel frets also add a piercing-yet-intimate nasal quality. One does not merely play chords on the čište: it is a soloistic instrument, the king of melody in Ismaîn music. However, consorts of čištî are very common: each instrument has its moment in the limelight, and in between supports the others with ‘flourishes’.

This also encapsulates its limitations: it is great for playing in one key for a long time. Ismaîn music makes great use of this (like, e.g., Indian music), delighting in eking out many different colours available in different scales against a steadfast drone. More progressive styles of classical music from Verduria, Kebri and Érenat increasingly demand the ability to play in any key and frequently modulate. It is not that the čište can't do this, but it's not what it is optimised for.

Re: Almeomusica

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:53 pm
by bradrn
sasasha wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 11:07 am I was literally just wondering that. Anyone here got some physics they can lend me? :)
Speaking as a physicist, I can confidently say that I have no idea whatsoever. But from a little bit of reading it seems like lutes have similar (though more elaborate) rosette shapes, so it’s probably workable.

Re: Almeomusica

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2023 7:27 pm
by sasasha
bradrn wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:53 pm
sasasha wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 11:07 am I was literally just wondering that. Anyone here got some physics they can lend me? :)
Speaking as a physicist, I can confidently say that I have no idea whatsoever. But from a little bit of reading it seems like lutes have similar (though more elaborate) rosette shapes, so it’s probably workable.
Yes. I don’t see many 90 degree angles among them, and there may be a reason for this (sound likes curves?). But it’s not likely to make a great deal of difference AFAIK.

Here’s a slight update. The text now reads ‘Your čište of Ismahi’.

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Re: Almeomusica

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2023 7:52 pm
by zompist
I'm glad you straightened the strings, that was bugging me. :)

How do you tune one to a different key? Just turn the knobs?

Do earth instruments have sympathetic strings too? Do those have to be tuned too?

I recall reading somewhere that players of some instruments develop very thick, characteristic calluses. Can you deduce what instruments someone plays from their hands?

Re: Almeomusica

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:03 pm
by bradrn
zompist wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 7:52 pm I'm glad you straightened the strings, that was bugging me. :)
Honestly, everything looks a bit wobbly… it’s bothering my OCD. I may try to make a more refined picture — though alas, my attempts so far aren’t looking any better…
Do earth instruments have sympathetic strings too? Do those have to be tuned too?
Oh yes! They’re particularly common in Indian music — for instance they give the sitar its ’shimmery’ tone. In Western music, they’re present in the ten-string guitar and viola d’amore. They need to be tuned to resonance with the main strings.

Re: Almeomusica

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:31 am
by sasasha
bradrn wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:03 pm
zompist wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 7:52 pm I'm glad you straightened the strings, that was bugging me. :)
Honestly, everything looks a bit wobbly… it’s bothering my OCD. I may try to make a more refined picture — though alas, my attempts so far aren’t looking any better…
You're welcome to if you like, though I'm not yet attached to the design. It's just been a sort of aide-imagination. I'm sorry for triggering your OCD!

I had previously thought the čište more sitar-like, with tall metal frets rather than a fingerboard. I might keep experimenting with that... It would make the placement of the sympathetic strings easier, and instantly lend much more pitch bend capacity to the sound. But the trade off is less tonal variation, and a more ‘metallic’ sound at the expense of a sort of intimate ‘wooden’ one. It's a case of working out which is ‘more Ismaîn’, and if there's an in-between / another good option. At present we are closest to a ukulele or a koto in tone, but with sympathetic resonance and a metal bridge.

This way, I'm intrigued by whether the sympathetic strings running in tunnels in the fretboard – or, perhaps, one tunnel, i.e. the fretboard is largely hollow ‒ would lend a specific timbre. A faint nasal, mellow, trumpety resonance. Possibly. And the bridge would lend a particular character. These things are very difficult to test... I'd love to be a luthier just so I could test ideas all day! (If anyone knows a friendly luthier, please let me know!)

Do earth instruments have sympathetic strings too? Do those have to be tuned too?
Oh yes! They’re particularly common in Indian music — for instance they give the sitar its ’shimmery’ tone. In Western music, they’re present in the ten-string guitar and viola d’amore. They need to be tuned to resonance with the main strings.
Yes. Here, there are three sets of pegs going up the instrument. They are attached to the sympathetic strings, just above 1/2 and 1/3 of the fretboard, and somewhere in between the two. The idea is you tune the former to your tonic and perfect fifth (aka Enäron and Fidra), and the latter to another note in between which makes sense with whatever you're playing.

Some Ismaîn modes lack a perfect fifth, so you might tune the Fidra strings (playing and sympathetic) up or down to match, if you're going to be playing a whole piece like that. Similarly, the Caloton string is sometimes tuned up to Boďneay or down to Vlerë.
zompist wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 7:52 pm I'm glad you straightened the strings, that was bugging me. :)
Sorry! :)
How do you tune one to a different key? Just turn the knobs?
The playing strings are tuned by the knobs at the upper end. The sympathetic strings have those prongs going up the neck. You don't want to knock them accidentally as you're playing, so you have to use a key to turn them which you keep separately.
I recall reading somewhere that players of some instruments develop very thick, characteristic calluses. Can you deduce what instruments someone plays from their hands?
Yes ‒ sitar players, particularly. (Their calluses tend to go black, with permanent indents.) And if you see someone with long fingernails on their right hand and calluses on their left, they're probably an acoustic guitarist.

If fingernail-stopping is indeed part of čište playing (which I'd want to discuss at length with some guitarists, I think) and certainly if fingernails are customised in some way for playing, you would be able to pick them out easily.

Finally, I saw this today and immediately thought it looked Almean :D (Mounting strings on a convex fretboard is a fair idea to try, which might work for acoustic instruments. It might even be appropriate for the endivyón: it would give good access for the bow/beater...)

Re: Almeomusica

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:56 am
by bradrn
sasasha wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:31 am Finally, I saw this today and immediately thought it looked Almean :D (Mounting strings on a convex fretboard is a fair idea to try, which might work for acoustic instruments. It might even be appropriate for the endivyón: it would give good access for the bow/beater...)
This makes me think of the valiha, which uses the same principle but isn’t nearly as complicated. (I’m tempted to say, ‘isn’t nearly as useless’.)

Çişte

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:52 am
by sasasha
Another Žilir Žambey advertisement: this time for an Ismaîn market, for a ‘low, free’ çişte, ie a fretless bass model.

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Here we have seven playing strings and five sympathetic strings. The sympathetic strings are tuned via pegs on the other side of the instrument – in hiding them, Žambey may be trying to minimise the perception of the instrument’s complexity. It is notoriously difficult to play the subfamily of fretless çiştes…

Design-wise, I’m happier with this one. I forgot to add beads for fine-tuning (below the bridge), and the middle tuning peg is decidedly wonky. Also, I’m not sure whether this bridge is missing the metallic barring seen on the previous design or not. We’ll, it’s not a schematic diagram, but an aide-imagination.

You can see an evolution of the Žambey logo, too.

Re: Almeomusica

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2023 10:33 pm
by So Haleza Grise
A very handsome instrument!