Zompist Bboard Again

keenir wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 6:08 am

Otto Kretschmer wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 2:33 am It took me like 5 minutes to create this lol. Dunno if any human would do it that fast.

theres an old saying: you want it fast or you want it good?

Why do you assume that these two things will remain opposite?

AI progresses at a fast pace. Even if LLMs exhaust their potential for improvement (and they still have a lot of room for improvement), what makes you think that other, better AI architectures won't emerge?

Some months ago on Reddit I saw a Daily Mail article from the year 2000 that was saying that this whole internet thing is just a fad and it will soon fizzle out and die. And it shows clearly how often people cannot see beyond the current limitations.

Otto Kretschmer wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 2:33 amIt took me like 5 minutes to create this lol.

except you didn't create anything at all...
It's even less interesting than searching for and finding an interesting conlang from another conlanger:
being interested in a conlang when you know it's produced by an AI is like making love to a blow-up doll...

Only non-conlangers can find it interesting,
to give the illusion of a language when you're not capable as an author of making it seem real (in other words, when you're a poor author) and you're not interested enough to devote time to it,
to not pay a conlanger to save on production costs, why hire an artist to do the kitchen wallpaper...

In conlanging, it's the creation that matters, not the result, so there can be no conlanging properly speaking by AI...

For once, I agree with xxx.

AI has done a great service to humanity: it has allowed us to identify which people will draw a gun on an etch-a-sketch, and then duck.

I think we're here too much focusing on prompts of the sort "make my pronominal system for me" and too little on the cooler uses for AI. for example, it could write you a sound change applier that was a lot more specialized to your use case, or it could let could quickly try out a bunch of sound change ideas. it's ultimately a tool, you don't have to have it do the job, you can also use it to make you more efficient at the boring parts of doing concrete tasks.

this is where my mind goes cause i use llms to write code boilerplate that i then tweak if needed. i honestly haven't tried it much for conlanging, but i might as well ntitai.

Torco wrote: ↑Sun May 18, 2025 11:13 pm I think we're here too much focusing on prompts of the sort "make my pronominal system for me" and too little on the cooler uses for AI. for example, it could write you a sound change applier that was a lot more specialized to your use case, or it could let could quickly try out a bunch of sound change ideas. it's ultimately a tool, you don't have to have it do the job, you can also use it to make you more efficient at the boring parts of doing concrete tasks.

Indeed, and if Otto had shown examples of that he might have gotten a slightly less frosty reception. However, that’s not what he did.

(Although, I’ll point out that we already have many perfectly good SCAs, including my own…)

AI-generated conlangs are surely something people like David J. Peterson have to worry about - Hollywood may choose to ask AIs instead. But there will always be people who make conlangs for fun, and people who appreciate such human-made conlangs.

WeepingElf wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 4:24 am AI-generated conlangs are surely something people like David J. Peterson have to worry about - Hollywood may choose to ask AIs instead. But there will always be people who make conlangs for fun, and people who appreciate such human-made conlangs.

This is true of all art, of course.

Which leads to an interesting question: what would an AI-generated conlang hallucination look like?

alice wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 2:10 pm
Which leads to an interesting question: what would an AI-generated conlang hallucination look like?

"Of course a preposition is a type of phoneme, everyone knows that!"