Zompist Bboard Again

linguistcat wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:45 am Also consider that Trump is 70 and not actually in the best health. Don't you at least want to outlive him?

78, I think.

Trump won't be around forever, and the MAGA personality cult will evaporate without him. No one really is in a position (even Vance) to secede him at the head of MAGA. And MAGA will probably be trounced when mid-terms come when people realize that they have had no real improvements (prices are no lower, and likely are higher with tariffs) over the last two years.

Raphael wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:50 am

linguistcat wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:45 am Also consider that Trump is 70 and not actually in the best health. Don't you at least want to outlive him?

78, I think.

I mean at this point I try to keep as little track of the guy as I'm able but this is just better for my point. Just to clarify, I'm not wishing death on him, especially since any death that comes from his own hubris will cause bigger problems for tons of other people. But when he dies I will not mourn him, and I plan to be here to see it.

keenir wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:57 pm

malloc wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 8:19 pmYou sure about that? From what I understand, Trump and Putin are quite close with Trump routinely accused of following Putin's lead. For that matter, I had the impression that China and Russia work together fairly often.

even the greatest of enemies can work together when they're forced to.

sooner or later, China (under Xi or under someone else) will not just be threatening places that the US has promised to defend {Japan}, but also places that the US owns...and as we've seen, Trump is many things - territorial being one of them.

A common misconception is that all your enemies form a coalition against you - which is usually not the case. See, for instance, Bush jr.'s "Axis of Evil", which consisted of three countries (admittedly, all three being nasty rogue states) that really had no common business at all - and none of them had any common business with Al Qa'ida.

Travis B. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:54 amTrump won't be around forever, and the MAGA personality cult will evaporate without him. No one really is in a position (even Vance) to secede him at the head of MAGA. And MAGA will probably be trounced when mid-terms come when people realize that they have had no real improvements (prices are no lower, and likely are higher with tariffs) over the last two years.

Sure but Trump could also succeed in shifting politics far to the right like Reagan did, resulting in America becoming permanently far more conservative. We might never regain ground on LGBT or women's rights the way we have never regained ground on economic issues after the Reagan years. Unlike last time, I don't see many signs that liberals are willing to resist the new Trump administration. They seem resigned and defeated more than anything.

malloc wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:44 pm

Travis B. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:54 amTrump won't be around forever, and the MAGA personality cult will evaporate without him. No one really is in a position (even Vance) to secede him at the head of MAGA. And MAGA will probably be trounced when mid-terms come when people realize that they have had no real improvements (prices are no lower, and likely are higher with tariffs) over the last two years.

Sure but Trump could also succeed in shifting politics far to the right like Reagan did, resulting in America becoming permanently far more conservative. We might never regain ground on LGBT or women's rights the way we have never regained ground on economic issues after the Reagan years. Unlike last time, I don't see many signs that liberals are willing to resist the new Trump administration. They seem resigned and defeated more than anything.

It's been three days since the election -- just because they seem resigned and defeated now doesn't mean that the Democrats won't bounce back in the long term. Remember, the party in power almost always gets taken down a notch in the midterms no matter what party they are, and once people get over the "let's stick it to the current administration" they'll realize how disappointing the new Trump administration really is, which will only add to that.

Edit: replaced will with won't.

Travis B. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:13 pm

malloc wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:44 pm

Travis B. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:54 amTrump won't be around forever, and the MAGA personality cult will evaporate without him. No one really is in a position (even Vance) to secede him at the head of MAGA. And MAGA will probably be trounced when mid-terms come when people realize that they have had no real improvements (prices are no lower, and likely are higher with tariffs) over the last two years.

Sure but Trump could also succeed in shifting politics far to the right like Reagan did, resulting in America becoming permanently far more conservative. We might never regain ground on LGBT or women's rights the way we have never regained ground on economic issues after the Reagan years. Unlike last time, I don't see many signs that liberals are willing to resist the new Trump administration. They seem resigned and defeated more than anything.

It's been three days since the election -- just because they seem resigned and defeated now doesn't mean that the Democrats will bounce back in the long term.

you mean won't, yes?

Remember, the party in power almost always gets taken down a notch in the midterms no matter what party they are, and once people get over the "let's stick it to the current administration" they'll realize how disappointing the new Trump administration really is, which will only add to that.

*nods*

keenir wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 11:37 pm

Travis B. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:13 pm

malloc wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:44 pm

Sure but Trump could also succeed in shifting politics far to the right like Reagan did, resulting in America becoming permanently far more conservative. We might never regain ground on LGBT or women's rights the way we have never regained ground on economic issues after the Reagan years. Unlike last time, I don't see many signs that liberals are willing to resist the new Trump administration. They seem resigned and defeated more than anything.

It's been three days since the election -- just because they seem resigned and defeated now doesn't mean that the Democrats will bounce back in the long term.

you mean won't, yes?

Yes, that's what I meant. I have since corrected my post.

Travis B. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 11:52 pm

keenir wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 11:37 pm

Travis B. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:13 pm

It's been three days since the election -- just because they seem resigned and defeated now doesn't mean that the Democrats will bounce back in the long term.

you mean won't, yes?

Yes, that's what I meant.

easy typo to miss. i can delete my posts above if it helps/if you like, not a problem.

If Trump does half of what he says he intends on doing, people will really want to stick it to the Trump administration by midterms. People really won't appreciate 60% increases in the prices of all products from China (and 20% increases in the prices of pretty all other products not produced in the US) or cuts to Medicare or Social Security. If he does any of those things, people will punish the Republicans for it.

That and also the 4B movement needs to come to America

Ahzoh wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 12:29 am That and also the 4B movement needs to come to America

I've heard of the 4H organization, but not the 4B - sorry; could you elaborate, please?

Some MRA is already rewriting the "4B" article on Wikipedia to discourage the easily-misled ladyfolk of America from pursuing that interest, after it started popping up MSM/social media in the last week.

fusijui wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:56 am Some MRA is already rewriting the "4B" article on Wikipedia to discourage the easily-misled ladyfolk of America from pursuing that interest, after it started popping up MSM/social media in the last week.

The side of the internet I'm on has been talking about it since earlier in the year at least. From everything I've read including translations from people in the movement, it's just women's separation movement, Korean flavor. No matter what some say about being trans inclusive, it can't even handle that both trans women and trans men deal with misogyny and transphobia in their own ways, let alone that some people are in both classes of man and woman simultaneously.

keenir wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 12:56 am

Ahzoh wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 12:29 am That and also the 4B movement needs to come to America

I've heard of the 4H organization, but not the 4B - sorry; could you elaborate, please?

The four nos: no sex, no marriage, no having children, no dating

Basically it's MGTOW but women. Women who choose to be volcel.

Though, it probably will end up just being reactionary just like MGTOW is.

But the central idea is that women should just become voluntarily celibate, or at least be even more restrictive in who they date.

The 'B' in '4B' comes from Korean bi-, which roughly means 'no'.

As far as I can see, 4B is a reaction to misogyny in Korean culture, which from what I gather is incredibly bad and made even worse in recent years by anti-feminist backlash. I don't know realistic that reddit thread is: https://www.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comme ... uth_korea/ but things seem to be on yet another level.

Ahzoh wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 11:19 amBasically it's MGTOW but women. Women who choose to be volcel.

In the Advocate, Marcie Bianco called it "a hetero version of lesbian separatism minus the lesbianning".

Ahzoh wrote:Though, it probably will end up just being reactionary just like MGTOW is.

Well, it's off to a good start by being incredibly TERFy.

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 11:13 am

Ahzoh wrote:Though, it probably will end up just being reactionary just like MGTOW is.

Well, it's off to a good start by being incredibly TERFy.

I admit that surprises me a bit. I'd have thought TERFs would be happy about recent events?

Raphael wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 11:32 amI admit that surprises me a bit. I'd have thought TERFs would be happy about recent events?

The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend.

It doesn't surprise me one whit. Unless you explicitly make your feminist/womanist movement pro-trans and boot out those who dissent, TERFs will infiltrate and hijack it.