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Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:14 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
Ah, I was used to the colloquial sense being negative.
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:38 pm
by linguistcat
This has been going on for a while, and I've seen both positive and negative uses. For example, someone "being extra" might be acting dramatically or doing things that are unnecessary, and depending on tone, the person saying it could be somewhat impressed or extremely annoyed. I'd say extra is more akin to "elaborate, over the top, grandiose, dramatic" and is often a compliment from a friend and an insult from a stranger (tho even then someone saying "oh my god! you're so extra! I love it!" is probably being sincere.)
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:32 pm
by Travis B.
I have never, ever heard or seen this usage of extra before I saw it here.
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:38 am
by Linguoboy
Travis B. wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:32 pmI have never, ever heard or seen this usage of
extra before I saw it here.
Confirmation (if any were needed) that Travis has no gay friends IRL.
linguistcat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:38 pm
This has been going on for a while, and I've seen both positive and negative uses. For example, someone "being extra" might be acting dramatically or doing things that are unnecessary, and depending on tone, the person saying it could be somewhat impressed or extremely annoyed. I'd say extra is more akin to "elaborate, over the top, grandiose, dramatic" and is often a compliment from a friend and an insult from a stranger (tho even then someone saying "oh my god! you're so extra! I love it!" is probably being sincere.)
I don't think I've ever heard it used truly complimentarily. At best there's an implied "but we still love him despite that".
Yesterday while out shopping I did see a line of Barbie dolls with the label "EXTRA". I'm not exactly sure what they were signifying with that, though.
(Link:
https://barbie.mattel.com/shop/en-us/ba ... xtra-dolls.)
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:50 am
by Travis B.
Linguoboy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:38 am
Travis B. wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:32 pmI have never, ever heard or seen this usage of
extra before I saw it here.
Confirmation (if any were needed) that Travis has no gay friends IRL.
Guilty as charged. I have lesbian relatives (one on each side), but I am not close to them at all personally.
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:14 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
It might be worth noting that not all gays speak that way.
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:46 pm
by Linguoboy
Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:14 pmIt might be worth noting that not all gays speak that way.
Nektht you're going to be thaying that we don't all lithp either!
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:47 pm
by Travis B.
Linguoboy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:46 pm
Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:14 pmIt might be worth noting that not all gays speak that way.
Nektht you're going to be thaying that we don't all lithp either!
I thought that was only a massive misconception!
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:00 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
Perhaps I'm an anomally.
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:56 pm
by Moose-tache
American gays are too lazy to learn Polari, so we just lisp really hard so the cops won't know what we're saying.
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:02 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
I'd never heard of Polari till just now.
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 12:17 pm
by Linguoboy
Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:02 pmI'd never heard of Polari till just now.
It's just silly slang between me and the boys in my gang. You wouldn't understand; good folks like you never do.
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:07 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
Linguoboy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 12:17 pm
Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:02 pmI'd never heard of Polari till just now.
It's just silly slang between me and the boys in my gang. You wouldn't understand; good folks like you never do.
I feel like I'm missing a reference to something here.
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:55 am
by Linguoboy
Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:07 pm
Linguoboy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 12:17 pm
Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:02 pmI'd never heard of Polari till just now.
It's just silly slang between me and the boys in my gang. You wouldn't understand; good folks like you never do.
I feel like I'm missing a reference to something here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piccadilly_Palare
I learned about Polari in the 90s from one of the experts on it at the time, who had compiled an online lexicon. The song made much more sense after that.
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:10 pm
by Moose-tache
I just pictured an online lexicon made by an academic in the 90s, and it made my brain hurt. I assume it used frames?
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:40 pm
by Nortaneous
Travis B. wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:32 pm
I have never, ever heard or seen this usage of
extra before I saw it here.
?!
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:39 am
by Kuchigakatai
Youngsters in El Salvador these days are saying "bajón" for a big, filling meal in a group, say during lunch hour at work, and "bajonear" for the act of going for a bajón.
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:51 am
by Raphael
I overheard a dentist's assistant ask another dentist's assistant: "Wie schnell dauert das?", literally something like "How fast does it take?"
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:25 am
by hwhatting
Raphael wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:51 am
I overheard a dentist's assistant ask another dentist's assistant: "
Wie schnell dauert das?", literally something like "How fast does it take?"
Question would be whether this is really an innovative usage or just a one-time slip between the two constructions
Wie lang dauert das? und
Wie schnell geht das?.
Re: Innovative Usage Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:39 am
by Linguoboy
Last night I used "anycase" as an adverb parallel to "anyway", e.g. "anycase I won't be there". I hesitated for a moment before omitting the "in" but I realised I wouldn't naturally use it in speech in that context.