The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread

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Travis B. wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:43 pm -ally, as in literally
[ɫ̩(ɫ)i]
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Zaarin wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:57 pm I pronounce Antifa [ˈkɹ̱ˁʷɛɪ̯zi ˈfæʃɪsts]...
Bit ridiculous imho (not that I'm much less ridiculous for bringing this up, but it just irks me); a fine instance of the (esp. right-wing) American predilection of calling anyone you don't like "communist" or "fascist".
Travis B. wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:43 pm -ally, as in literally
[-l̴ɪi̯~-əl̴ɪi̯] (e.g. literally [ˈlətʃɹəl̴ɪi̯], linguistically [ˈləŋɡwəstʰəkl̴ɪi̯], famally¹ [ˈfɛml̴ɪi̯]).

Note the pattern in e.g. occasionally (usually [əˈkʰæi̯ʒnəl̴ɪi̯], but sometimes [əˈkʰæi̯ʒə̃nl̴ɪi̯]; emphatic [əˈkʰæi̯ʒəə̃nəl̴ɪi̯]).

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Sol717 wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:00 am
Zaarin wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:57 pmI pronounce Antifa [ˈkɹ̱ˁʷɛɪ̯zi ˈfæʃɪsts]...
Bit ridiculous imho (not that I'm much less ridiculous for bringing this up, but it just irks me); a fine instance of the (esp. right-wing) American predilection of calling anyone you don't like "communist" or "fascist".
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BrE - I would pronounce biopic with stress on the penult, and the LOT vowel [ɒ], probably by analogy with topic
bbbosborne wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:32 pm nail clipper
its/it's
heart
[ˈnɛʟklɪpʰə]
[ɪʔs]~[ɪts]
[hɑʔ]~[hɑt]
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nail clipper [ˈneɯ̯ˌkʰʟ̞ɘpʁ̩(ː)]~[ˈneɯ̯ˌkʰɰɘpʁ̩(ː)]
its/it's [ɘʔts]
heart [hʌʁʔ] or, before a vowel, [hʌʁɾ] or [hʌʁ]
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quinterbeck wrote: Sun May 05, 2019 12:04 pm [ˈnɛʟklɪpʰə]
DRESS-FACE merger before /l/?
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anteallach wrote: Mon May 06, 2019 11:03 am
quinterbeck wrote: Sun May 05, 2019 12:04 pm [ˈnɛʟklɪpʰə]
DRESS-FACE merger before /l/?
Hmm, not quite a merger I'd say - nail is varying between [nɛjʟ] and [nɛːʟ], but Nell is [nɛʟ]

Perhaps it's closer to [ˈnɛːʟklɪpʰə]
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Lancaster
Manchester
(whether referring to the UK cities or places in the US with the same names)
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anteallach wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 3:46 am Lancaster
Manchester
(whether referring to the UK cities or places in the US with the same names)
I'm trying to work out whether I say the names of Lancaster, UK and Lancaster, PA differently, but I think they're both /ˈlæŋkəstər/ for me. I have such a contrast for Manchester: the UK city is /ˈmæntʃɪstər/ whereas the St Louis suburb is /ˈmæntʃɛstər/.
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Lancaster [ˈʟ̞ɛ̃(ŋ)ˌkʰɛsʲtʲʁ̩(ː)]~[ˈɰɛ̃(ŋ)ˌkʰɛsʲtʲʁ̩(ː)]
Manchester [ˈmɛ̃(n)ˌtʃʰɜsʲtʲʁ̩(ː)]
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T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Linguoboy wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 9:34 am
anteallach wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 3:46 am Lancaster
Manchester
(whether referring to the UK cities or places in the US with the same names)
I'm trying to work out whether I say the names of Lancaster, UK and Lancaster, PA differently, but I think they're both /ˈlæŋkəstər/ for me. I have such a contrast for Manchester: the UK city is /ˈmæntʃɪstər/ whereas the St Louis suburb is /ˈmæntʃɛstər/.
That's curious, as I live about thirty miles from the UK city and pronounce it with /ɛ/. (Similarly I have /a/ in the second syllable of Lancaster.)
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That's how I pronounce it too
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Buses in Chicago have recorded announcements. Yesterday we were coming up on Elmdale and I noticed that the first vowel was so lowered it sounded like [æ]. Perhaps that's the velarisation effect of the [ɫ]? (Despite the fact that Chicago has a huge local theatre scene, the voice actor they hired is from Milwaukee.)
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Linguoboy wrote: Fri May 17, 2019 11:04 am Buses in Chicago have recorded announcements. Yesterday we were coming up on Elmdale and I noticed that the first vowel was so lowered it sounded like [æ]. Perhaps that's the velarisation effect of the [ɫ]? (Despite the fact that Chicago has a huge local theatre scene, the voice actor they hired is from Milwaukee.)
/ɛl/ for me is [ɜɤ̯]; I can see lowering the starting point to [ɐɤ̯], but fronting it to [æɤ̯] seems just wrong to me.
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Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
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I'd expect velarization to lead to [ɐ̝ˤ] or so -- I've heard [twɐ̝ˤv] for 'twelve', at least, but never lowering without backing
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
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Nortaneous wrote: Fri May 17, 2019 1:29 pm I'd expect velarization to lead to [ɐ̝ˤ] or so -- I've heard [twɐ̝ˤv] for 'twelve', at least, but never lowering without backing
There are Inland North dialects which not only centralize /ɛ/ but also lower it to [ɐ].
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Yonkers
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
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Yonkers [ˈjɒŋkɹ̩ˁz] (And I'm going to have "Put on your Sunday Clothes" stuck in my head for a while...)
But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me?
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?
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century vs. sentry
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century: /ˈsɛntjəɹi/ [ˈsɛnt͜ʃɹ̩ɹi]
sentry: /ˈsɛntri/ [ˈsɛntɹ̥i]
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