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Travis B. wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:43 pm -ally, as in literally

[ɫ̩(ɫ)i]

Zaarin wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:57 pm I pronounce Antifa [ˈkɹ̱ˁʷɛɪ̯zi ˈfæʃɪsts]...

Bit ridiculous imho (not that I'm much less ridiculous for bringing this up, but it just irks me); a fine instance of the (esp. right-wing) American predilection of calling anyone you don't like "communist" or "fascist".

Travis B. wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:43 pm -ally, as in literally

[-l̴ɪi̯~-əl̴ɪi̯] (e.g. literally [ˈlətʃɹəl̴ɪi̯], linguistically [ˈləŋɡwəstʰəkl̴ɪi̯], famally¹ [ˈfɛml̴ɪi̯]).

Note the pattern in e.g. occasionally (usually [əˈkʰæi̯ʒnəl̴ɪi̯], but sometimes [əˈkʰæi̯ʒə̃nl̴ɪi̯]; emphatic [əˈkʰæi̯ʒəə̃nəl̴ɪi̯]).

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Sol717 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:00 am

Zaarin wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:57 pmI pronounce Antifa [ˈkɹ̱ˁʷɛɪ̯zi ˈfæʃɪsts]...

Bit ridiculous imho (not that I'm much less ridiculous for bringing this up, but it just irks me); a fine instance of the (esp. right-wing) American predilection of calling anyone you don't like "communist" or "fascist".

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BrE - I would pronounce biopic with stress on the penult, and the LOT vowel [ɒ], probably by analogy with topic

bbbosborne wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:32 pm nail clipper
its/it's
heart

[ˈnɛʟklɪpʰə]
[ɪʔs]~[ɪts]
[hɑʔ]~[hɑt]

nail clipper [ˈneɯ̯ˌkʰʟ̞ɘpʁ̩(ː)]~[ˈneɯ̯ˌkʰɰɘpʁ̩(ː)]
its/it's [ɘʔts]
heart [hʌʁʔ] or, before a vowel, [hʌʁɾ] or [hʌʁ]

quinterbeck wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 12:04 pm [ˈnɛʟklɪpʰə]

DRESS-FACE merger before /l/?

anteallach wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 11:03 am

quinterbeck wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 12:04 pm [ˈnɛʟklɪpʰə]

DRESS-FACE merger before /l/?

Hmm, not quite a merger I'd say - nail is varying between [nɛjʟ] and [nɛːʟ], but Nell is [nɛʟ]

Perhaps it's closer to [ˈnɛːʟklɪpʰə]

Lancaster
Manchester
(whether referring to the UK cities or places in the US with the same names)

anteallach wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 3:46 am Lancaster
Manchester
(whether referring to the UK cities or places in the US with the same names)

I'm trying to work out whether I say the names of Lancaster, UK and Lancaster, PA differently, but I think they're both /ˈlæŋkəstər/ for me. I have such a contrast for Manchester: the UK city is /ˈmæntʃɪstər/ whereas the St Louis suburb is /ˈmæntʃɛstər/.

Lancaster [ˈʟ̞ɛ̃(ŋ)ˌkʰɛsʲtʲʁ̩(ː)]~[ˈɰɛ̃(ŋ)ˌkʰɛsʲtʲʁ̩(ː)]
Manchester [ˈmɛ̃(n)ˌtʃʰɜsʲtʲʁ̩(ː)]

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 9:34 am

anteallach wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 3:46 am Lancaster
Manchester
(whether referring to the UK cities or places in the US with the same names)

I'm trying to work out whether I say the names of Lancaster, UK and Lancaster, PA differently, but I think they're both /ˈlæŋkəstər/ for me. I have such a contrast for Manchester: the UK city is /ˈmæntʃɪstər/ whereas the St Louis suburb is /ˈmæntʃɛstər/.

That's curious, as I live about thirty miles from the UK city and pronounce it with /ɛ/. (Similarly I have /a/ in the second syllable of Lancaster.)

That's how I pronounce it too

Buses in Chicago have recorded announcements. Yesterday we were coming up on Elmdale and I noticed that the first vowel was so lowered it sounded like [æ]. Perhaps that's the velarisation effect of the [ɫ]? (Despite the fact that Chicago has a huge local theatre scene, the voice actor they hired is from Milwaukee.)

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:04 am Buses in Chicago have recorded announcements. Yesterday we were coming up on Elmdale and I noticed that the first vowel was so lowered it sounded like [æ]. Perhaps that's the velarisation effect of the [ɫ]? (Despite the fact that Chicago has a huge local theatre scene, the voice actor they hired is from Milwaukee.)

/ɛl/ for me is [ɜɤ̯]; I can see lowering the starting point to [ɐɤ̯], but fronting it to [æɤ̯] seems just wrong to me.

I'd expect velarization to lead to [ɐ̝ˤ] or so -- I've heard [twɐ̝ˤv] for 'twelve', at least, but never lowering without backing

Nortaneous wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 1:29 pm I'd expect velarization to lead to [ɐ̝ˤ] or so -- I've heard [twɐ̝ˤv] for 'twelve', at least, but never lowering without backing

There are Inland North dialects which not only centralize /ɛ/ but also lower it to [ɐ].

Yonkers

Yonkers [ˈjɒŋkɹ̩ˁz] (And I'm going to have "Put on your Sunday Clothes" stuck in my head for a while...)

century vs. sentry

century: /ˈsɛntjəɹi/ [ˈsɛnt͜ʃɹ̩ɹi]
sentry: /ˈsɛntri/ [ˈsɛntɹ̥i]