Zompist Bboard Again

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:48 pmYou find _⅁ preferable to ĝ?

Yes. I saw it in a sample of typeset Gamilaraay back in college and fell in love.

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:48 pm(As for LaTeX, it should cope fine with any of these — certainly if you’re using XeLaTeX or LuaLaTeX it should. What problems are you encountering?)

I cannot get the breve under the h to compose correctly in section headings. It lets me do a breve above just fine but not below.

Man in Space wrote: ↑Wed Apr 23, 2025 6:45 am

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:48 pmYou find _⅁ preferable to ĝ?

Yes. I saw it in a sample of typeset Gamilaraay back in college and fell in love.

The one on Wikipedia, right? That’s what I immediately thought of too. (Though personally I consider that a mere typographic variant of ⟨ŋ⟩.)

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:48 pm(As for LaTeX, it should cope fine with any of these — certainly if you’re using XeLaTeX or LuaLaTeX it should. What problems are you encountering?)

I cannot get the breve under the h to compose correctly in section headings. It lets me do a breve above just fine but not below.

Odd. Is there any reason you can’t just use Unicode ⟨ḫ⟩?

(But I suspect an issue with the font, rather than anything to do with LaTeX.)

bradrn wrote: ↑Wed Apr 23, 2025 7:51 am

Man in Space wrote: ↑Wed Apr 23, 2025 6:45 am

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:48 pmYou find _⅁ preferable to ĝ?

Yes. I saw it in a sample of typeset Gamilaraay back in college and fell in love.

The one on Wikipedia, right? That’s what I immediately thought of too. (Though personally I consider that a mere typographic variant of ⟨ŋ⟩.)

That’s the one, yes.

bradrn wrote: ↑Wed Apr 23, 2025 7:51 am

Man in Space wrote: ↑Wed Apr 23, 2025 6:45 am

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:48 pm(As for LaTeX, it should cope fine with any of these — certainly if you’re using XeLaTeX or LuaLaTeX it should. What problems are you encountering?)

I cannot get the breve under the h to compose correctly in section headings. It lets me do a breve above just fine but not below.

Odd. Is there any reason you can’t just use Unicode ⟨ḫ⟩?

(But I suspect an issue with the font, rather than anything to do with LaTeX.)

It is a font issue, yes. I am too attached to the family of typefaces to select a new one.

I have had the singular privilege of being featured on masako’s livestream (it starts around 32’25”).

A few bits and bobs before I forget…

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síǵna sá hún sá ki_⅁ sá. . .
síǵna sá hún sá ki_⅁ sá. . .
síǵna sá hún sá ki_⅁ sá. . .

Yeah, OK. /ŋ x ʕ/ _⅁ g ǵ. I kinda like that aesthetic. Weird but still kind of understandable/intuitive to figure out (at least I should hope so).

ǵ g _⅁ g ǵ

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It occurs to me that the adasar, in addition to having to deal with more iron in their environs, would also be a bit more radiation-hardened (IIRC Xi Boötis A is a flare star? I know it's a variable, that kind of governed the fortnight system the Tim Ar came up with).

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Druidsprachen is a sort of koiné/lingua franca/what ended up happening to Latin. There are two main competing standards maintained by formal governing bodies. (If there's a more correct way to render this I'm all ears.)

How does this look?

I'm not sure how I feel about the "mostly Pangaea" model, but it's very nicely drawn. Couldn't have done it myself.

The isohypses without indication to which side the terrain slopes are confusing. And that's a very long river in the center of your supercontinent - we don't have such long rivers here on Earth because our continents just aren't big enough - but nothing wrong with that.

It would seem that you've taken a bit more influence from Eurasia for the majority of your land mass than I'd like the taste of, but there's nothing wrong with that, and that's a me problem. If you like it, then I've no room to judge.

I might also add that it is indeed very nicely drawn. kudos.

I love the drawing, style and most of the content, but the pedant in me is annoyed at the river that runs parallel to the mountain range. Rivers flow down, not sideways. It is otherwise very good though.

Lērisama wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 4:01 pmI love the drawing, style and most of the content, but the pedant in me is annoyed at the river that runs parallel to the mountain range. Rivers flow down, not sideways. It is otherwise very good though.

the Mississippi runs roughly paralel to the Rockies and the Appalachians, for example. the Sao Fransisco, the Paraguay, and the Parana all seem to be paralel to the Andes. ditto the Niger River with the Great Rift Valley & its mountains.


I admit I don't know where the Drakkensburg are in relation to the Orange River.
https://mapsforupsc.com/wp-content/uplo ... -World.png

EDIT: before I'd replied just above that link, my computer wouldn't let me see the Man In Space map; now that I can see it, the river seems to be running along the foot of the mountain range, which seems plausible to me:
not only could there be some height difference in the river between the two ends (assuming it flows in the same direction the entire way) but maybe thats where some of the water for the river comes from: washed down the slopes.

just a thought.

Thanks all!

Raphael wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 2:36 pmI'm not sure how I feel about the "mostly Pangaea" model

It's partially an intentional choice: Instead of multiple continents like we have, what if everyone were stuck (primarily) on a single, huge landmass? (Also, back in the day, I used worldengine to generate a map for the planet; the current version used it as inspiration in conjunction with 12 Word Cartographer's guide, which is, incidentally, where the Winkel Tripel came from).

WeepingElf wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 2:39 pm The isohypses without indication to which side the terrain slopes are confusing.

Yeah, it kind of messes with me too. CC3+ does have a bit of a learning curve and I've not quite figured much of it out yet.

/nɒtɛndəduːd/ wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 3:31 pmIt would seem that you've taken a bit more influence from Eurasia for the majority of your land mass than I'd like the taste of, but there's nothing wrong with that, and that's a me problem. If you like it, then I've no room to judge.

How do you mean?

WeepingElf wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 2:39 pmAnd that's a very long river in the center of your supercontinent - we don't have such long rivers here on Earth because our continents just aren't big enough - but nothing wrong with that.

Lērisama wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 4:01 pmthe pedant in me is annoyed at the river that runs parallel to the mountain range

keenir wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 4:27 pmnow that I can see it, the river seems to be running along the foot of the mountain range, which seems plausible to me:
not only could there be some height difference in the river between the two ends (assuming it flows in the same direction the entire way) but maybe thats where some of the water for the river comes from: washed down the slopes.

That is the River Sobadegh, which is the river in dahsar history and culture. It generally flows east-west, emptying into the western sea. The eastern side of the river does start on higher ground; another factor here is that there is some tectonic stuff going on--a lot of the Sobadegh is situated where there's a rift opening in the middle of the continent, with some of the cratons wanting to go north and some wanting to go south. (That curly part where it goes north, about halfway between the center and the right edge of the map, is the ultimate headwaters; in that mountain/valley complex--which is sort of the New Guinea of this world--is where the adasar ultimately spread out from.)

Man in Space wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 4:46 pm

/nɒtɛndəduːd/ wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 3:31 pmIt would seem that you've taken a bit more influence from Eurasia for the majority of your land mass than I'd like the taste of, but there's nothing wrong with that, and that's a me problem. If you like it, then I've no room to judge.

How do you mean?

well, just now comparing the map to a legitimate map of Eurasia, there's a bit less similarity than I thought I first saw, but most of it I still see. for example, the thinner part of the main landmass to the northwest would correlate to Europe, the island northwest of that would be Iceland, the southeastern part of the main landmass looks like Indochina, the islands along the eastern side of the continent are the Asian parts of the ring of fire, et cetera. again, none of that is an issue, I'm just a little off-put.

/nɒtɛndəduːd/ wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 5:41 pm

Man in Space wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 4:46 pm

/nɒtɛndəduːd/ wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 3:31 pmIt would seem that you've taken a bit more influence from Eurasia for the majority of your land mass than I'd like the taste of, but there's nothing wrong with that, and that's a me problem. If you like it, then I've no room to judge.

How do you mean?

well, just now comparing the map to a legitimate map of Eurasia, there's a bit less similarity than I thought I first saw, but most of it I still see. for example, the thinner part of the main landmass to the northwest would correlate to Europe, the island northwest of that would be Iceland, the southeastern part of the main landmass looks like Indochina, the islands along the eastern side of the continent are the Asian parts of the ring of fire, et cetera. again, none of that is an issue, I'm just a little off-put.

Ah, I get it now! No, it’s not a bogogeohistorical situation, and I’ve been trying to identify and prune stuff that seemed too unreasonably similar and/or on-the-nose as possible. In the specific case of those islands, it’s kind of a wash—by default, Íröd is more volcanically active than Earth (they never do anything small over there).

About two years ago-ish, I deleted part of the map and some of the history because I realized the continent I was dealing with was basically a Xerox of Australia; what became those three appreciable southern islands were originally (IIRC) smaller and there was a full continent to their west there that got taken over by a power from the Northern Hemisphere, but it no longer appears.

Man in Space wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 4:46 pm That is the River Sobadegh, which is the river in dahsar history and culture. It generally flows east-west, emptying into the western sea. The eastern side of the river does start on higher ground; another factor here is that there is some tectonic stuff going on--a lot of the Sobadegh is situated where there's a rift opening in the middle of the continent, with some of the cratons wanting to go north and some wanting to go south. (That curly part where it goes north, about halfway between the center and the right edge of the map, is the ultimate headwaters; in that mountain/valley complex--which is sort of the New Guinea of this world--is where the adasar ultimately spread out from.)

Okay, that makes a bit more sense, thank you for the explanation.

I tried to make a climate map for the new Íröd. (Köppen key courtesy of the Encyclopedia Britannica.)

[kɐˈcʼæːje ˈtʼɑmːe çi ˈuwrɐʃjɐn]
/kɑkʼæːji tʼɑmmi hi uwrɑsjɑn/
Kak'eeyi t'ammi hi uwrasyan.
ka=k'eey-i t'ammi hi uwrasya-n
3.S.F.INAN=see.IPFV-PASS MED.S.INAN ESS Eurasia-ACC
That looks like Eurasia.

(Edit: I forgot that I was using a verb intransitively, so incorrectly made an inanimate argument 'ergative'.)

Travis B. wrote: ↑Thu May 15, 2025 8:53 pm [kɐˈcʼæːje ˈtʼɑmːi çi ˈuwrɐʃjɐn]
/kɑkʼæːji tʼɑmmiː hi uwrɑsjɑn/
Kak'eeyi t'ammii hi uwrasyan.
ka=k'eey-i t'ammi-i hi uwrasya-n
3.S.F.INAN=see.IPFV-PASS MED.S.INAN-ERG ESS Eurasia-ACC
That looks like Eurasia.

That was not intentional. This map is based on the output from a run of worldengine.

Man in Space wrote: ↑Thu May 15, 2025 9:06 pm

Travis B. wrote: ↑Thu May 15, 2025 8:53 pm [kɐˈcʼæːje ˈtʼɑmːi çi ˈuwrɐʃjɐn]
/kɑkʼæːji tʼɑmmiː hi uwrɑsjɑn/
Kak'eeyi t'ammii hi uwrasyan.
ka=k'eey-i t'ammi-i hi uwrasya-n
3.S.F.INAN=see.IPFV-PASS MED.S.INAN-ERG ESS Eurasia-ACC
That looks like Eurasia.

That was not intentional. This map is based on the output from a run of worldengine.

[kɐjeˈχɑrt ˈtʼɑmːe]
/kɑjiχɑrt tʼɑmmi/
Kayixart t'ammi.
ka=yi-xart t'ammi
]3.S.F.INAN=NEG-bad MED.S.INAN
That's not bad.