Zompist Bboard Again

MacAnDàil wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:36 pm Raphaël: You seem more reasonable than many, not just going after novelty for the sake of it. We've gone back to watching dvds ourselves when we watch videos.

Raphael wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 2:54 am

MacAnDàil wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:36 pm Raphaël: You seem more reasonable than many, not just going after novelty for the sake of it. We've gone back to watching dvds ourselves when we watch videos.

Thank you! I wonder about attitudes among people who are young enough that the things I listed aren't novelties for them, though.

What I want in my next computer:

* The design values of Apple
* The modularity and repairability of Framework
* The openness of GNU/Linux
* The legacy support of Microsoft

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Ares Land wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:25 ama solid share of what we do (as an industry) feels like bullshit. The latest thing is something called Industry 4.0 and, I mean, do we even need that sort of thing? Does it even mean anything?

Raphael wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 3:21 am A belated afterthought on this:

Ares Land wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:25 ama solid share of what we do (as an industry) feels like bullshit. The latest thing is something called Industry 4.0 and, I mean, do we even need that sort of thing? Does it even mean anything?

It's kinda funny how an industry that was, to a large extent, built by people who, back in school, would roll their eyes at how the more popular kids around them were always enthralled to the latest fads, no matter how stupid, is now completely obsessed with always following the latest internal industry fads, no matter how stupid.

Raphael wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 3:21 am A belated afterthought on this:

Ares Land wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:25 ama solid share of what we do (as an industry) feels like bullshit. The latest thing is something called Industry 4.0 and, I mean, do we even need that sort of thing? Does it even mean anything?

It's kinda funny how an industry that was, to a large extent, built by people who, back in school, would roll their eyes at how the more popular kids around them were always enthralled to the latest fads, no matter how stupid, is now completely obsessed with always following the latest internal industry fads, no matter how stupid.

Torco wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:02 pm

Raphael wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 3:21 am A belated afterthought on this:

Ares Land wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:25 ama solid share of what we do (as an industry) feels like bullshit. The latest thing is something called Industry 4.0 and, I mean, do we even need that sort of thing? Does it even mean anything?

It's kinda funny how an industry that was, to a large extent, built by people who, back in school, would roll their eyes at how the more popular kids around them were always enthralled to the latest fads, no matter how stupid, is now completely obsessed with always following the latest internal industry fads, no matter how stupid.

I blame managers. it's MBA guys who are hiring the consultants, filling up tasks in sprints and even often deciding on infrastructures. we're using Rust, cause (insert unicorn) did. what? technically we could run this thing on python? doesn't matter, (insert buzzword)

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:37 pm I actually like Rust, far more than Python. Outside data science, using Python for a big project feels like madness to me.

Travis B. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:29 am

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:37 pm I actually like Rust, far more than Python. Outside data science, using Python for a big project feels like madness to me.

My view of Rust is that it is the language C++ should be but isn't. That said, there are plenty of use cases where using C++ (or Rust) is pure insanity - they are just too complex and give you few benefits for very many things. Of course I think that there are better high-level languages than Python, such as Haskell, Scheme, and Juiia, as much as I liberally use Python at my day job.

bradrn wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:55 am

Travis B. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:29 am

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:37 pm I actually like Rust, far more than Python. Outside data science, using Python for a big project feels like madness to me.

My view of Rust is that it is the language C++ should be but isn't. That said, there are plenty of use cases where using C++ (or Rust) is pure insanity - they are just too complex and give you few benefits for very many things. Of course I think that there are better high-level languages than Python, such as Haskell, Scheme, and Juiia, as much as I liberally use Python at my day job.

Completely agreed with you on this.

Torco wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:02 pm
I blame managers. it's MBA guys who are hiring the consultants, filling up tasks in sprints and even often deciding on infrastructures. we're using Rust, cause (insert unicorn) did. what? technically we could run this thing on python? doesn't matter, (insert buzzword)

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:37 pmI actually like Rust, far more than Python. Outside data science, using Python for a big project feels like madness to me.

Torco wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:13 am the inverse nightmare, i suppose, would be getting hired to build a new and exciting ERP (those things are complicated af) and on the first meeting hearing "and we're using nocode"

Torco wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:18 pm whew, this could be its own thread tbh.

I know the feeling. actually existing nocode is... bad. but, in principle, there's nothing magical about linear sequences of characters in a text file full of symbols, right? if we want (do we want? i think i want) programming to be more like writing in the 20th century as opposed to writing in ancient egypt, i.e. the arcane skillset of a priest of Lettero, the god of glyphs, i think we really should be making friendlier ways to program than "fuck you unless you type everything exactly right, you missed a semicolon in line 162. oh, also, KNOW BY MEMORY (or look up) EVERY KEYWORD EVER. and EVERY LINE ENDS IN SEMICOLON OR ELSE. ah, and don't forget 'inconsistent indentation"... like, I like python, but indentation? realy? ew. you get my drift, there's in principle no reason why a drag-and-drop, dropdown-menu based dealio couldn't be a cool way to build scrips: just look at MSExcel : I know people who get pretty complicated coding done in it, except they don't *know* they're doing coding, and so don't get scared by it. it's all complicated ways to express assembly, it could be done with textures and smells, in principle. (not that we'd want to ofc).

I think it would be cool. i know plenty of non-coder normies... hell, i've *been* a non-coder normie, I only learned programming properly in my thirties, and they end up wasting SOOOOO much time doing stuff over and over again for lack of a convenient and understandable way to tell the computer to do things.

Raphael wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:11 am I have a question about the point or pointlessness of getting an ssd for an older computer. It is generally known that ssds are faster than hdds. But, of course, they can't be faster than their connection to the motherboard. So, if the best hard drive connection my motherboard has is an old SATA 2 connection, would an ssd connected to it still be noticeably faster than an hdd?