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quinterbeck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:15 pm

Imralu wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:57 pm gulia
pair.of.arms<GDV>
cute

Warai emmu hinauroa deanagi!
That's such a good derivation!

Nurig annośan, mv’ angruri.
*Nurik annoshan, mu angruri*
Truth-INST.SING 1s-speak-AOR.INT-Ø / NEG 1s-understand-AOR.REAL-3s.
Truthfully, I don’t get it.

Onausy' ustrarru, mv’ antrākkan b' ajjuggun nusak!
*Onausih ustrarru, mu antrākkan ba ajjuggut nusak*
Onossi-NOM.SING 3s-help-PERF.INT-1s / NEG 1s-write-PERF.REAL-Ø since much.ESS.AUG-MASC.OTHER-ABL.SING language-INST.SING
Onossi help me, I haven't written anything in this language for a long time now!

tla ke yanonketle kapya yo tla ke yesa tloyatli
4sg O avoid-NEG-REL accept if.X.then.Y 4sg O peace discover-FUT
In accepting the inevitable, one finds peace.

Imralu wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:57 pm gulia
pair.of.arms<GDV>
cute

GDV fex no?
What does GDV stand for?

«yatuntiwi» ticihtuyaywana, ngwi khkyygti kohgi gaatu-chtaahi cih cuhtayay, k cayhaa tikuyhakuy-tuu.
gerundive 1{NOM}-think{IF}-MP-SUPP | but verb TOP Ngolu_people=CLSS.PPL (3ANM{ERG})-use{STAT}-MP | REL NEG-3INM 1{NOM}-know{STAT}-APSS=AFF.DUB
"Gerundive", I would suppose, but I don't know how verbs work in Ngolu.

Pedant wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:45 pm Nurig annośan, mv’ angruri.
*Nurik annoshan, mu angruri*
Truth-INST.SING 1s-speak-AOR.INT-Ø / NEG 1s-understand-AOR.REAL-3s.
Truthfully, I don’t get it.

Gula is one of the verbals with a weird argument structure, typical of many body-part verbals that also encode an action associated with that body part.

gula = NOM is the pair of arms belonging to GEN which hug/embrace ACC

So if you just have NOM-this with this verbal, you get "this is a pair of arms / these are arms". Add GEN-1S and you get "these are my arms". Subtract NOM-this and you get "I have arms." Add in ACC-2S and it means "I hug you." Add back in NOM-this and it's "I hug you with these arms" or "These are the arms I hug you with". That basically breaks down to:

VP = There exists a pair of arms;
NOM = that pair of arms is this;
ACC = that pair of arms hugs you
GEN = that pair of arms is mine.

The gerundive (GDV) infix -i- transforms a verbal so that it means the nominative argument OUGHT TO BE the accusative argument of the verbal it derives from, so "gulia" means "NOM ought to be hugged / is huggable" etc.

E hu lu xo na.
I have to go to work.

Amo ivu?
Where are you all?

Alu xo nu.
I'm at work.

Bioloe nu.
I'm tired.

Aha xu aia.
The sky is grey.

Kka ti etie ja uzaxo guni.
My boss is not here yet.

Kka ti zara u eni.
No one wrote to me.

Amo ivu?
Where are you all?

Moio ivu?
What are you all doing?

Ezo mia mala nu.
I'm on my way home right now.

Xa ko masa tta nu iza ba ttiu.
I'm in a thing that's like a big snake that goes very fast.

Ezo xa ko nu ivuuo tieti ko masa tta mie mue hu lu va xuue.
Now I'm in a thing that's like a piece of that big snake thing, but this one can go everywhere.

Imralu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:56 amWhere are you all?

De yah. Oba wen yu ray mi de jop.
At home. But when you wrote I was at work.


JAL

Pappipetšosa wipambi, bappampopapie.
sunflower-indoor-1p.POSS-GEN-3p break-REFL-3p-LOC-1p.PASS, new-3P-LOC-TRANSL-1P-SUBJ-need-1P.past
My fan broke, so I had to buy a new one.

Pi, pappipes wifopo, šannas bampo.
but, sunflower-GEN find-1p-SUBJ-1p, winter-GEN struggle-1p
But it's difficult to find fans in winter.

Džutšom piššežebopapiopi.
social.network-LOC buy-TR.1p-SUBJ-need-1P-SUBJ-1P.past.pass
So I had to order it online.

Wofo yu won a goron ina winta?
Why do you need a fan in the winter?


JAL

Maybe he likes the sound of a fan when he's sleeping.
Perchance sound-him fan-s-of like-it-he when himself-him sleep-does-he.

-him : Accusative
Verb chain: VERB ROOT - object - subject - negation
(Tense nor aspect are not affixed to the verb.)

(Conlang Thurs 1 17 2019 number 2)

jal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:31 am a goron
a fan

Nxui mo xuua kilo?
VB-ABL.3S.DEF.INAN what NOM.3S.DEF.INAN.MED word
Where is this word from?

Bob wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:53 am Maybe he likes the sound of a fan when he's sleeping.
Perchance sound-him fan-s-of like-it-he when himself-him sleep-does-he.

Ba tehi xuua.
extreme possible NOM.3S.DEF.INAN.MED
This is quite possible.

Ezozo loe nu lo kulu a lalu zui kuila.
nowadays sleep NOM.1S.ICS ADV audible NOM.3S.NSPC.INAN rain ABL.3S.SPEC.INAN speaker
These days, I sleep with the sound of rain coming from my speaker.

Kilinokilo uui. Ha kka ti kue vu ixi kilo?
gloss GEN.2S.ICS | Q NEG PRF create NOM.2S.ICS word
You have a gloss. Haven't you created the words yet?

Imralu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:11 am

jal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:31 am a goron
a fan

Nxui mo xuua kilo?
VB-ABL.3S.DEF.INAN what NOM.3S.DEF.INAN.MED word
Where is this word from?

Ota Inggles: go round (olbit "go" ina dis taym Sajiwan in min "wok" o "muf").
From English: go round (though "go" in modern Sajiwan doesn't mean "go" or "move").

Also note that the "a" isn't an article, it's part of the verb "won a", "to need" (< (be in) want of).


JAL

Hu Botierama na.
I'm going to Potsdam.

Mala xua umes ali gune.
A friend of mine lives there.

Xa kuhu na.
I'm in a vehicle.

Kilo zeio xuue.
That's a new word.

Mi in tingk Sajiwan af woh fi "vehicle". It a se "ti" an "bayk" an "rel" an "plen", oba it in no jenral woh fi dis pen a ting ya.
I don't think Sajiwan has a word for "vehicle". There's "car" and "bike" and "train" and "plane", but there's no generic word for this catagory of things.


JAL

jal wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:14 am Mi in tingk Sajiwan af woh fi "vehicle". It a se "ti" an "bayk" an "rel" an "plen", oba it in no jenral woh fi dis pen a ting ya.
I don't think Sajiwan has a word for "vehicle". There's "car" and "bike" and "train" and "plane", but there's no generic word for this catagory of things

Lo ilaqu to ku hu a kuhu.
ADV speak.Iliaqu thus tool go/come NOM.3S.NSPC.INAN vehicle
In Iliaqu, a vehicle is a moving device/tool.

ńəw kele jəlka
new word-PL do.IPF-1SG
I have been making a new language

Xŏmsəńər Kele nemŏle
marsh_island-person word-PL name-3PL
It's called Khomsener.

Indo-ewrəpejski kele Äsaṣ wŏxan.
Indo-European word-PL Ob'-PER speak-IMP
It's an Indo-European language spoken along the Ob' river.

Bob wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:53 am Maybe he likes the sound of a fan when he's sleeping.
Perchance sound-him fan-s-of like-it-he when himself-him sleep-does-he.

Peppe, pobiambo babwažažo.
correct-2P, noise-3P-LOC-1P.PASS comfort-TR.1P.PASS
Yes, its noise comforts me.

Pi, pubbos wemieža ... župilas pentšambo.
but, bedsheet-1P-GEN thickness-ESS-3P ... sometimes hot-LOC-1P.PASS
But, my comforter is thick ... sometimes I'm hot.

pubbos putšalap:
bedsheet-1P-GEN picture:
picture of my comforter:
http://www.pabappa.com/pics/the%20bed.png