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Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:13 pm
by Karch
No.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:37 pm
by bradrn
Karch wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:13 pmNo.
All right. In that case, I think Musgu is next most likely, followed by Jina. Muskum is extinct, so I’m assuming it’s not that one. So is it Musgu?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:08 am
by Karch
It is indeed Musgu.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:23 am
by bradrn
Karch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:08 am
It is indeed Musgu.
Finally, I solved it!
OK, next text:
Ø mi ndoyaꞌŋøpyapø ø mi atzi: Ndø Comi Diosis ñøyicøsi mi yischiꞌpøjtzi, atzi Rafa. Casøpyøjtzi cuando nuꞌcpa mi ndotojaye. Yøꞌcti tø ijtab Diosjiꞌn, yøscøtoya Dios. Tø cotzoŋdandøvø vaꞌ mi oꞌnøtyam Dios. Yøꞌquimete tome it enemigo. Ø itcuꞌyomo jiꞌn seguro ndø vaꞌŋjamocutyøvø. Por eso ndø tziꞌtampam cuenta que tomeꞌam ndø Comiꞌis minguy jama. Porque jaꞌitam casøcyuy ndø vaŋjamocutyøvøjiꞌn.
(Some of the letters were a bit hard to make out, particularly the one I’ve transcribed ⟨ŋ⟩, but I do think my transcription is reasonably accurate.)
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:51 am
by Pabappa
South American?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:55 am
by bradrn
Pabappa wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:51 amSouth American?
No.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:29 am
by Karch
Spoken in Mexico? If yes, Oto-Manguean?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:48 pm
by bradrn
Karch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:29 am
Spoken in Mexico? If yes, Oto-Manguean?
Yes and no.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:22 pm
by Aftovota
I was going to guess Mazahua at first, but that's Oto-Manguean. Is it Mixe-Zoquean?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:03 pm
by bradrn
Aftovota wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:22 pm
I was going to guess Mazahua at first, but that's Oto-Manguean.
As I said, it’s not Oto-Manguean. (Though I hadn’t heard of Mazahua before — it looks like an interesting language, so thanks for telling me about it!)
Is it Mixe-Zoquean?
Yes.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:29 am
by Karch
Is it a variety of Zoque?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:23 am
by bradrn
Karch wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:29 am
Is it a variety of Zoque?
Yes. (Oh dear, this is getting guessed more quickly than I’d like…)
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:07 am
by Karch
Chiapas Zoque?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:24 am
by bradrn
Karch wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:07 amChiapas Zoque?
Yes… though can you go further and figure out the dialect?
(It seems rather unfair that your submissions take weeks to guess, while you can guess mine in a day. How
do you do it‽)
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:53 pm
by Karch
Copainalá Zoque?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:15 pm
by bradrn
Karch wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:53 pmCopainalá Zoque?
No.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:26 pm
by Karch
Francisco de León Zoque?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:21 pm
by bradrn
Karch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:26 pm
Francisco de León Zoque?
Yep, that’s the one. (Though I have it written down as ‘Zoque de Francisco León’.)
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:19 am
by Karch
Morti haxal, netna haxal, xair dxi vinadr han, rtelul. Ntɛbih netnar ri, iveve xair. Dede han tatɛ han rvva: "Nɔx baat!" Ale netnan bih iat. Iat vɔvɔvɔ na, rentɛ nmab ivu. Rentɛ nmab ivu, ale ivan ihɛx xini. Ihɛx xini nmab, ian iat linha. Ale ivɛ sar nmab srus. Nmab srus vɔvɔvɔ na, tnah haxal imɛ. Tnah haxal imɛ, irŋɔ tɛ nmab srus. Irŋɔ tɛ nmab srus na, "Nevti tɔdrɔk haxal xan hutxan!" Ale iri van linha nŋa nmab, ileh tɛ marbih ŋɛ ihakɛl linha. Ivɛ nmab srus ihaxalxin.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:31 am
by bradrn
Karch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:19 am
Morti haxal, netna haxal, xair dxi vinadr han, rtelul. Ntɛbih netnar ri, iveve xair. Dede han tatɛ han rvva: "Nɔx baat!" Ale netnan bih iat. Iat vɔvɔvɔ na, rentɛ nmab ivu. Rentɛ nmab ivu, ale ivan ihɛx xini. Ihɛx xini nmab, ian iat linha. Ale ivɛ sar nmab srus. Nmab srus vɔvɔvɔ na, tnah haxal imɛ. Tnah haxal imɛ, irŋɔ tɛ nmab srus. Irŋɔ tɛ nmab srus na, "Nevti tɔdrɔk haxal xan hutxan!" Ale iri van linha nŋa nmab, ileh tɛ marbih ŋɛ ihakɛl linha. Ivɛ nmab srus ihaxalxin.
It’s almost certainly African, right? And if it is, I’m guessing Niger-Congo. If not that, then it’s most probably Nilo-Saharan. It’s probably not Afro-Asiatic, and
definitely not Khoisan. No matter what it is, I’m guessing it’s spoken around western Africa, probably somewhere around the Nigeria–Cameroon–Chad region (though not necessarily in any one of those exact countries).
Aside from that, the most unusual things about this is the pervasive use of ⟨x⟩, and the strange consonant clusters ⟨rt nt tn nŋ nm dr⟩. The former
would seem to indicate a Spanish-speaking area, except those tend to avoid using ⟨ɛ ɔ⟩. The latter seems to me to be an indication of syllabic ⟨r n⟩ more than anything else.