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It was created by the Starostins, so...Brilliant-Resource14 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2026 10:56 am I'm looking through starlingdb just because and what the hell is this.
Yeah that's fairTravis B. wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2026 11:04 amIt was created by the Starostins, so...Brilliant-Resource14 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2026 10:56 am I'm looking through starlingdb just because and what the hell is this.
Just the idea of trying to connect all these dubious macrofamilies into one super-macrofamily is insane.Brilliant-Resource14 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2026 11:08 am StarlingDB be like: I wonder what vowel this is...
Eurasiatic: a
Afroasiatic: a
Sino-Caucasian: a
Austric: a
Amerind: a
Macro-Khoisan: a
StarlingDB: Hmmm... let me reconstruct *HV
(true story btw)
I should lowk try to do Borean with the latest reconstructions of the constituent membersTravis B. wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2026 11:15 amJust the idea of trying to connect all these dubious macrofamilies into one super-macrofamily is insane.Brilliant-Resource14 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2026 11:08 am StarlingDB be like: I wonder what vowel this is...
Eurasiatic: a
Afroasiatic: a
Sino-Caucasian: a
Austric: a
Amerind: a
Macro-Khoisan: a
StarlingDB: Hmmm... let me reconstruct *HV
(true story btw)
I hope you're being sarcastic there.Brilliant-Resource14 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2026 12:19 pmI should lowk try to do Borean with the latest reconstructions of the constituent membersTravis B. wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2026 11:15 amJust the idea of trying to connect all these dubious macrofamilies into one super-macrofamily is insane.Brilliant-Resource14 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2026 11:08 am StarlingDB be like: I wonder what vowel this is...
Eurasiatic: a
Afroasiatic: a
Sino-Caucasian: a
Austric: a
Amerind: a
Macro-Khoisan: a
StarlingDB: Hmmm... let me reconstruct *HV
(true story btw)
How do speakers of a language that's normally written with a non-alphabetic writing system (like Chinese, pinyin notwithstanding) perceive their language's phonology and phonemes?zompist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2026 1:50 amIt kind of sounds like you're reinventing phonological theory.Travis B. wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2026 1:07 am So if neither the radical analysis nor the conservative analysis is right, then what? Do we chalk the concept of phonemes and phonemic awareness up to the influence of literacy? Do we dismiss any notions of phonemic awareness having any reality and declare supposed evidence for the conservative analysis, such as restrictions on word-coining and borrowing and effects of suffixing, up to a mixture of the influence of literacy and frozen historical sound changes?I've certainly seen theorists who do think phonemes are more a corollary of alphabetic writing systems than a real thing, and others who think that phonetic realizations are laboriously put together by applying rules that look like the last few centuries of sound change.
Another example: Recognizing people from their faces, beyond listing conspicuous things like skin/eye color, hair color/length.Personally I find the standard idea of phones and phonemes pretty useful. A universal about brains is that the brain does a lot of things that are not directly accessible to consciousness. (A cute example: most people can't explain how they change lanes in a car, in a way that would teach correct behavior to a robot. Maybe they knew in driver ed, but now they just do it without thinking.)
That's an interesting possibility!Michalel Tomasello has pointed out that children seem to learn language construction by construction, not following adult rules at all. I wonder if this has been applied to phonology. Brains don't have to operate like grammar books, with a systematic, coherent set of rules. Maybe there are separate phonologies for (say) words learned early on, words learned late on from hearing, and words learned from dictionaries.
Traditionally, Chinese people have broken their words into syllables, in turn separated into initials, finals (composed of prevocalic semivowels, nuclei, and codas treated as single units together), and tones rather than onsets, nuclei, and codas.
i would do it to see if it's even potentially realTravis B. wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2026 12:26 pmI hope you're being sarcastic there.Brilliant-Resource14 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2026 12:19 pmI should lowk try to do Borean with the latest reconstructions of the constituent members
Considering the dubiousness of supposed nodes well below that, such as Indo-Uralic, to jump past them when even those nodes are not adequately reconstructed if they are real at all is certain to result in something even more dubious.Brilliant-Resource14 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2026 3:47 pmi would do it to see if it's even potentially realTravis B. wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2026 12:26 pmI hope you're being sarcastic there.Brilliant-Resource14 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2026 12:19 pm I should lowk try to do Borean with the latest reconstructions of the constituent members
Yes, well, you are talking to a person whose first posts here were asking for feedback on his Indo–Uralic ‘reconstruction’…Travis B. wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2026 10:05 amConsidering the dubiousness of supposed nodes well below that, such as Indo-Uralic, to jump past them when even those nodes are not adequately reconstructed if they are real at all is certain to result in something even more dubious.Brilliant-Resource14 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2026 3:47 pmi would do it to see if it's even potentially real
I found a "paper" on Academia saying that Elamite was an Indo-European language close to Germanic. like no it is notTravis B. wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2026 10:05 amConsidering the dubiousness of supposed nodes well below that, such as Indo-Uralic, to jump past them when even those nodes are not adequately reconstructed if they are real at all is certain to result in something even more dubious.Brilliant-Resource14 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2026 3:47 pmi would do it to see if it's even potentially real
my first post on here was actually a suggestion for the ID redux, but I digressbradrn wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2026 10:32 amYes, well, you are talking to a person whose first posts here were asking for feedback on his Indo–Uralic ‘reconstruction’…Travis B. wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2026 10:05 amConsidering the dubiousness of supposed nodes well below that, such as Indo-Uralic, to jump past them when even those nodes are not adequately reconstructed if they are real at all is certain to result in something even more dubious.Brilliant-Resource14 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2026 3:47 pm
i would do it to see if it's even potentially real
What age is that paper? Because that's batshit crazy.Brilliant-Resource14 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2026 10:43 amI found a "paper" on Academia saying that Elamite was an Indo-European language close to Germanic. like no it is not
https://www.academia.edu/43984902/Elami ... to_h_?sm=bjal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2026 11:29 amWhat age is that paper? Because that's batshit crazy.Brilliant-Resource14 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2026 10:43 amI found a "paper" on Academia saying that Elamite was an Indo-European language close to Germanic. like no it is not
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You sound like someone who believes that pairwise reconstruction is necessary. More distant relatives might shed light that a pairwise reconstruction does not yield. I believe Verner's law as applied to Germanic is an example.
2020? My god, what was he smoking...Brilliant-Resource14 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2026 11:49 amurl]https://www.academia.edu/43984902/Elami ... to_h_?sm=b[/url]
If Indo-Uralic were partially substantiated I see doing this -- but Indo-Uralic is very dubious in and of itself.
https://www.academia.edu/3801969/Etrusc ... n_Language found some more bullshitBrilliant-Resource14 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2026 11:49 amhttps://www.academia.edu/43984902/Elami ... to_h_?sm=bjal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2026 11:29 amWhat age is that paper? Because that's batshit crazy.Brilliant-Resource14 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2026 10:43 amI found a "paper" on Academia saying that Elamite was an Indo-European language close to Germanic. like no it is not
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