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Lexember 14:

réva
[ˈʒɛva]
butter

labre
[ˈlabrɛ]
bread

plimna
[ˈplɪmna]
loaf, hunk, block

Lexembers 12-16. Food and crops.

plaˀj, to grind.
ŋjapleːˀŋ, flour.
luːˀ, a house.
luːˀ plaˀj, a mill.

kruːn, a seed-bearing mint bush.
pimdaːŋ, a sorghum-like grass.
roˀŋ, a flower arranged in stalks.
(roˀŋ) nlaːw, a type of amaranth.

qeb, a type of soft flatbread.
kjuˀr, meat.
ŋarlaːg, cattle.

boːn, to cook.
ʃaboːn, to cook through, boil thoroughly.
broːˀn, a stew or gruel.

pleˀ, fire.
driː, to light.
χim, to burn.
peːχim, to roast.

Lexember 15-16:

óstar
[ˈøːstaɾ]
to cook, prepare food; to handle, to manage; to follow a plan
This gives us óstat meal, result and óstax cook, chef, (playfully) adept.

xixir
[ˈksɪksɪɾ]
to fry, sizzle
Can be transitive or intransitive, but xiximir is the more common transitive form.

Lexember 17:

frel
[frɛl]
honey, nectar
Not related to frella fountain, but the two are connected in poetry. Variant frél [fʃɛl] also exists, which reflects an original long vowel. Honey can also be called ýrmét bee-sap or bee-syrup.

Now it's my turn to steal your topic for the day.

xiːʃ, water.
ŋibdeˀɣ, bees. This is etymologically a collective formation with the ŋi- prefix, but whatever word was prefixed in this way is now lost. To form a singulative (one bee), one can say: ŋabdeˀɣ qaːd laˀj, <bees feather one>, with the count-word qaːd. After some syntactic changes this sort of construction eventually gives rise to the Kangshi noun class prefixes.
xiːʃ ŋibdeˀɣ, honey. Literally "bee water".

Hallow XIII wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:15 pm Now it's my turn to steal your topic for the day.

xiːʃ, water.
ŋibdeˀɣ, bees. This is etymologically a collective formation with the ŋi- prefix, but whatever word was prefixed in this way is now lost. To form a singulative (one bee), one can say: ŋabdeˀɣ qaːd laˀj, <bees feather one>, with the count-word qaːd. After some syntactic changes this sort of construction eventually gives rise to the Kangshi noun class prefixes.
xiːʃ ŋibdeˀɣ, honey. Literally "bee water".

I like the count-word "feather" for bees!

äreo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 7:22 pm Lexember 15-16:

xixir
[ˈksɪksɪɾ]
to fry, sizzle
Can be transitive or intransitive, but xiximir is the more common transitive form.

Hey, that's similar to the verb root for "fry up" in Old Sanhr!

12/17 M : fry

Old Sanhr
/gsk’/ “fry” (verb root)

“My grandpa fried up some spicy eel”
[ʊ̃bɛ̃^mbɛ̃t gz̩zik'us t'iyukari mɹ̩bei]
/m-bnbn-t gsk'*I-u-s t'ik*u-a-r-i mrb-ei/
1sg-grandpa-nom fry*I-past-indic spice*U-pcpl-found-dat eet-dat


Tl’acho
/(v)ch'aak(sh)/ “fry” (active verb root)

“(I hear) you two really frying some taro”
[t͡ʃ^hat͡ʃ^híx^wt͡ʃʔâ:kʃteyxʌ̃ːg^wo]
/Cá-chixw-(v)ch'aak(sh)=tey-n,xo:-v^kw/
intens-taro-fry=prog-n.pst,2du-near.aud


Σαμχαλης
<δαπσε> /dapse/ (verb) “fry” (I'm not using "ψ" for /ps/, but instead for /ʂ^w/ - still sibilant + labial, just ... differently)

“Can you fry me an egg?”
κη τε χαυ δαπσε φοι ιογυ?
/kɛ̃: te xau dapse p^foi io=gu/
Q you irr fry egg I=to

Lexember 18. Containers
ploːʁ, a pot, a ceramic vessel.
xeˀq, a box.
ʒiˀɣ, cloth.
haːz, to flow.
taːˀz, to pour.

miːˀ leʃtaːˀz kjoˀ xiːʃ niː ploːʁ

miːˀ

PERF

le-

in-

ʃa-

PFV-

taːˀz

pour

kjoˀ

1s

xiːʃ

water

niː

be_in

ploːʁ

pot

I poured water into the pot.

kodé wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 12:29 am

äreo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 7:22 pm Lexember 15-16:

xixir
[ˈksɪksɪɾ]
to fry, sizzle
Can be transitive or intransitive, but xiximir is the more common transitive form.

Hey, that's similar to the verb root for "fry up" in Old Sanhr!

...

[ʊ̃bɛ̃^mbɛ̃t gz̩zik'us t'iyukari mɹ̩bei]

Nice. Always a fan of syllabic /s z/.

kodé wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 12:29 am <δαπσε> /dapse/ (verb) “fry” (I'm not using "ψ" for /ps/, but instead for /ʂ^w/ - still sibilant + labial, just ... differently)

Fair enough.

Lexember 18:

I'm eager to see what comes from this theme, both for Msérsca and for y'all's languages. Words of containment, packaging, and giving can go together in lots of fun ways, and they're in a semantic space that can be easy for a conlanger to overlook.

onnolar
[ˈɔnːɔlaɾ]
to wrap, envelop, roll up; to patch up, make a quick fix
Related to onnor to be flat. We can say onnola or onnolaédea for wrapping (paper).

onocrar
[ˈonɔcraɾ]
to package, pack, sheave; to do up, doll up, make fashionable
This has got to be related to onnolar. Maybe some combination of onnor and crar to erect, build up, with compensatory shortening of the geminate before a long onset.

uttame
[ˈʏtθamɛ]
sheet, page

Brav'onnolan uttami eas stem.
[braˈvɔnːɔlan ˈʏtθami jas stɛm]
three-wrapping-GEN sheet-PL 1S-DAT be.left.PRES-PL
I have three sheets of wrapping paper left.

Catch-up:

PAR Proto-Aretian
OAI Old Aivan

6 (Music 3/7)
adj. out of tune (music); to lose control, to forget (oneself)
< wild-string-
PAR *ḷahauŝq̆u-
OAI ɣaijeuqú-

7 (Music 4/7)
sharpen (music); to make worried
< make-tight-(string-)
PAR *iŝŋibu-, *iŝŋibuuŝq̆u-
OAI šñéidu-, šñéiduqú-

8 (Music 5/7)
flatten (music), to go flat (unintentionally)
< be.burdened-(string-)
PAR *ńāwə-, *ńāwuŝq̆u-
OAI ñoò-, ñoòuqú-

to go flat, flatten (music, intentionally)
< make-wild-(string-)
PAR *iḷaha-, *iḷahauŝq̆u-
OAI eɣaija-, eɣaijeuqú-

9 (Music 6/7)
vti. to tune (music), adj. in tune
< true-prepare-string-
PAR *ŋ̆aŕuq̆amiuŝq̆u-
OAI ŋaužkeveuqú-

10 (Music 7/7)
harmony; peace, contentment; freedom from suffering
< true-prepare-string-mind-CON
PAR *ŋ̆aŕuq̆amiuŝq̆uukiəx
OAI ŋaužkeveuqúčəx

11 (Food and drink to 17th)
beer
< leave-juice-SUB
PAR *kabŝkāt

12
redroot (root vegetable)
< redroot-COLL
PAR *ľikimuk
(c.f. Hujar jakka ‘red’...?)

13
forage (n.)
< PERF-find-PERF-grow
PAR *öxaq̆uöğār

14
sheep; mutton, lamb
< warm-self
PAR *āṛial

15
food
< eat-SUB
PAR *ŋ̆āḷəx

16
alcohol
< make-silly-water-MASS
PAR *iŝkiq̆idul

17
cooked food; cuisine
< burn/fire-give-SUB
PAR *ārduft

18 (Gifts and containers to 24th)
jug, bottle, pottery container
PAR *ğag

19
basket, woven container
< reed-carry-SUB
PAR *biuŕāt

Lexember 19.

ŋoniːpaˀ, to receive < ŋo-niː-be-haˀ <with-at-for-carry>
qapaːˀn, a gift < qa-behaˀ-an <PASS-give-NMLZ>
or equivalently qaŋniːpaːˀn id. < ŋoniːpaˀ

Lexember 19:

líth or líthe
[liːθ, ˈliːθɛ]
gift, especially from host to guest; lagniappe

írica
[ˈiːɾika]
good luck charm, small gift, knick-knack

Lexember 20:

ésto
[ˈjɛstu]
gift, especially from guest to host

ýxo
[ˈyːksu]
barrel, box, crate
From ýx oak.

Lexember 20. & 21.
rjar, a small bead.
ɣreˀn, to shine.
paren, shiny.

Lexember 21:

pamma
[ˈpamːa]
case, coarse sack (implied to have a handle)

coth
[kɔθ]
bag, pouch

rác
[roːk]
box, case

Lexember 22:

físte
[ˈfiːstɛ]
sleeve, glove, thin bag without a handle

scá
[skoː]
knot, bow, knuckle
From this we get scáscar to fasten, entangle, complicate and scáir to tie a knot, tie a bow, make a fist.

Proto-Vengic could use some work.

Lexember 11-17:

poka.t (xo-)
to grind
→ Zzyxwqnp kə̄pə́ 'to mill', Hlu coɠæ (Bor pɤcɤrɠaβ) 'surimi'

vogha (xo-)
to mash
→ Zzyxwqnp fə̀njə́ 'mashed tubers; poi', What mxypûhk 'fruit syrup'

pidam
malted barley; sorghum sugar; grain-derived sweetener
→ Zzyxwqnp pjí 'honey', Hlu ɓɤt 'honey', What pynan 'animal fat sweetened with berries'

kabitu
goosefoot
→ Zzyxwqnp kjí 'any edible leaf', Hlu kɤpʰil 'an herb', What kybiat

qomboo (tu-)
to boil
→ Zzyxwqnp wə̄ma 'sauce, reduction', Hlu ʔɔp (Bor ʔap)

vaghi (ca-)
to set fire to, ignite, singe
→ What ñêh 'to light'

vaghivaghi (te-)
to roast, barbecue
→ Zzyxwqnp fjə̀fjə̀ 'to cook', Hlu wuβɯ (Bor βaβɯ) 'festival', What tyññah 'clambake'

Lexember 18-22:

daaku
reciprocal gift-giving obligation

voraa (co-)
to present, to exchange

nere (co-)
carry (in the hands)
→ Zzyxwqnp twúⁿdjə̀ⁿdjə̀ 'messenger', What tyndarâ 'messenger'
note: *θo-co-nerenere vs. *θo-nerenere; What loses the obligative early. the counterfactual alternately formed words would be *twūⁿdjə̀ⁿdjə̀ and *tyslarâ

too.r (xe-)
carry (in a container)
→ Zzyxwqnp tʂjə̄tə̄ 'carry in a container'

tooraya
tote
→ Zzyxwqnp tʂjə̄tə̄ 'carry in a container', What tarî 'basket'

toorayesi
pocket, small pouch
→ Zzyxwqnp tə̄rjí 'envelope'

Lexember 23:

praet
[praːt]
lid, top

ftax
[ftaks]
jar, bottle, flask

psello
[ˈpsɛlːu]
chalice, goblet, long bottle

Stories about royalty and court intrigue are referred to as psello ne psonthe chalice and throne.

Lexember 24:

stisti
[ˈstɪsti]
gag, prank

spurra; spurror
[ˈspʏra, ˈspʏrɔɾ]
fool, jester, clown; to be mock, farcical

We might say Spurracdust [ˈspʏragzʏst] to mean "Lord of Misrule."