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Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:31 pm
by bradrn
Neonnaut wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:38 am
bradrn wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:59 am It’s what you get when you run underlying iambic stress through five subsequent phonetic rules, one of which does syncope and another of which does epenthesis.
So would there be any minimal pairs?
Almost certainly, though they would be hard to find.
bradrn wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:59 am …how do you get that? The sample text is just some of my recent posts to the Conlang Fluency Thread. The language isn’t a pidgin at all — I suspect any English-like feel comes from the stress pattern, the long vowels and /ɹ/. You’re right about Sydney though.
I think you answered your own question. That, and some of the w words look like clitisized we, we're, were; and /sɨˈmpiɹiˌjam/ looks suspicious. Just my mind playing tricks on me.
Well, /sɨˈmpiɹiˌjam/ is indeed a loanword from Cymbidium. No clitics though.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:08 am
by bradrn
Starbeam wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:18 am I also found it kind of weird /u/ didn't occur in stressed syllables like /a i/? Is there a thing about that?
This is because there was a sound change which lengthened stressed vowels, except */ə ɨ/ which became /a i/.
And overall, the language reminded me of Hindi with lenition of voiced plosives.
I didn’t know Hindi had voiced plosive lenition. Do you have a source? At least Wikipedia doesn’t mention it.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:11 am
by Rounin Ryuuji
I read that as reminding them of Hindi, except with lenition of voiced plosives.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:54 am
by Starbeam
Rounin Ryuuji wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:11 am I read that as reminding them of Hindi, except with lenition of voiced plosives.
Yeet. This be what i meant.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:36 am
by Karch
/pʰ p b tʰ t d cʰ c ɟ kʰ k g qʰ q ɢ/ <ph p b th t d ch c j kh k g qh q gh>
/f v r̥ r s z x ɣ ꭓ ʁ h/ <f v rh r s z x ǥ xh ǥh h>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ny ng>
/l j w/ <l y w>
/a e ə o i u/ <a ai e o i u>

/hoʁoror r̥ə erqtox jajmaŋan r̥ə mi erqujn cavda meqr pʰŋafqxu əŋg hazɟɣu || hokoŋan joɣla haror̥ pandr pilŋan pʰətək ŋalagur̥ kʰəla nivx muɟ furu || ɲi vinəkta hə ɲivɣdox əɣmənəkta/
Hoǥhoror rhe airqox yaymangan rhe mi airquyn cavda maiqr phngafqxu engg hazjǥu. Hokongan yoghla harorh pandr pilngan phetek ngalagurh khela nivx muj furu. Nyi vinekta he nyivǥdox eǥmenekta.

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/p b t d c ɟ k g/ <p b t d c j k g>
/f s ɕ x/ <f s sh x>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ny ŋ>
/l ʎ r j/ <l ly r y>

/a ɛ ʌ ɔ e ə o i ɨ u/ <a æ ꜹ ꜵ e v o i w u>
/a aˑ aː/ <a a· a:>
/aʰ aʔ/ <ah a°>
/¹a ²a ³a ⁴a/ <á a â à>
/á/ <á>

/xéma ba də́ˑɟe | diŋ dakɨ́jasɨgec | ¹uk ¹am ¹iˑs sa ¹dəˑp i ²kɨʔt, a ətn úfaj ²fɔʔx sa díˑban || xásɨnget datcɛ́nnouagec | lɨtíːs díˑsinsi || ¹sin súgej dɔnáɟi, tságaɔˑrgec | amʌ́ ¹iˑs cáˑrcaŋ || oóʰːnde ²kʌʔj ²keʔt, ²xɨʔc dilúˑngec || dɔ́ɕɕetam daúsadɔˑx, bɔ́gdiŋ daxafóujax, ²tɨʔn datɔ́pfɨˑrtec || at ¹ɨn xémɨn dáŋtabaˑx, dikásaŋɔs, dibɔ́aŋɔs ⁴biʰːr báŋdiŋ || ³xein ditɨ́nɔtn i dúrgɔksetn/
Xéma ba dv́·je, ding dakẃyaswgec, uk am í·s sa dv́·p i kw°t, a vtn úfay fꜵ°x sa dí·ban. Xáswnget datcǽnnouagec, lwtí:s dí·sinsi. Sín súgey dꜵnáji, tságaꜵ·rgec, amꜹ́ í·s cá·rcaŋ. Oó:hnde kꜹ°y ke°t, xw°c dilú·ngec. Dꜵ́sshetam daúsadꜵ·x, bꜵ́gdiŋ daxafóuyax, tw°n datꜵ́pfw·rtec. At ẃn xémwn dáŋtaba·x, dikásaŋꜵs, dibꜵ́aŋꜵs bì:hr báŋdiŋ. Xêin ditẃnotn i dúrgꜵksetn.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:08 am
by Nortaneous
/p b t d c ɟ k g/ <p b t d ty dy k g>
/f s ɕ x/ <f s sy h>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ny ñ>
/l ʎ r j/ <l ly r y>

/a ɛ ʌ ɔ e ə o i ɨ u/ <a c z q e v o i w u>
/a aˑ aː/ <a aa aaj>
/aʰ aʔ/ <ah a'>
/¹a ²a ³a ⁴a/ <ax a' aj aaj>
/á/ <ax>

I forget how the tones work, but they only appear in monosyllables

/xéma ba də́ˑɟe | diŋ dakɨ́jasɨgec | ¹uk ¹am ¹iˑs sa ¹dəˑp i ²kɨʔt, a ətn úfaj ²fɔʔx sa díˑban || xásɨnget datcɛ́nnouagec | lɨtíːs díˑsinsi || ¹sin súgej dɔnáɟi, tságaɔˑrgec | amʌ́ ¹iˑs cáˑrcaŋ || oóʰːnde ²kʌʔj ²keʔt, ²xɨʔc dilúˑngec || dɔ́ɕɕetam daúsadɔˑx, bɔ́gdiŋ daxafóujax, ²tɨʔn datɔ́pfɨˑrtec || at ¹ɨn xémɨn dáŋtabaˑx, dikásaŋɔs, dibɔ́aŋɔs ⁴biʰːr báŋdiŋ || ³xein ditɨ́nɔtn i dúrgɔksetn/

Hexma ba dvvxdye, diñ dakwxyaswgety, uxk axm iixs sa dvvxp i kw't, a vtn uxfay fq'h sa diixban, haxswnget dattycxnnouagety, lwtiijs diixsinsi. Sixn suxgey dqnaxdyi, tsaxgaqqrgety, amzx ixs tyaaxrtyañ. O-ooxhnde kz'y ke't, hw'ty diluuxngety. Dqxsysyetam dauxsadqqh, bqxgdiñ dahafoxuyah, tw'n datqxpfwwrtety. At wxn hexmwn daxñtabaah, dikaxsañqs, dibqxañqs biijr baxñdiñ. Heijn ditwxnqtn i duxrgqksetn.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:30 pm
by Karch
Initials:
/p t ʨ k/ <b d j g>
/pʰ tʰ kʰ/ <p t k>
/b d/ <mb nd>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ny ng>
/r/ <r>
/s h/ <s h>
/w l j/ <w l y>

Finals:
/p t k ʔ m n ŋ r h w l j wʔ jʔ/ <p t k q m n ng r h w l y b j>

Vowels:
/i i: i̤: ɨ ɨ: ɨ̤: u u: ṳ:/ <i ii ei ï ïï ëï u uu ou>
/e e: e̤: ə ə: ə̤: o o: o̤:/ <e ee ae ë ëë äë o oo ao>
/ɛ ɛ: ɜ ɜ̤: ɔ ɔ: ɔ̤:/ <ê êê â aï ô ôô au>
/a a: a̤: ɒ ɒ: ɒ̤:/ <a aa êa ö öö ôa>

Only /ə/ <a> and /u/ can occur in presyllables as well.

Diphthongs:
/iə i̤ə ɨə ɨ̤ə uə ṳə/ <ie iê ïë ïâ uo uô>
/ia i̤a ua ṳa/ <ia ea ua oa>

Syllabic nasals /m̩ n̩ ŋ̩/ <m n ng> can also occur in presyllables.

/dɜw lɨʔ ji̤aŋ sursi: tɛ:ŋ palɒ̤ːŋ kəp kute:ʔ tɜŋ pɨ̤:n mənlo̤:k nɜj. ma: kute:ʔ nɜj tə: kə:t rɜ̤:p ri̤aŋ n̩trəw juah, kəp tə: wa: bɨ:n rəmɨh n̩trəw juah tɜŋ kute:ʔ nɜj. bɨ:n ʔoŋ də:ʔ sɜŋ. ʔɒk kənam kluəm ɲɛ:ʔ tɜŋ klɔ̤ːŋ də:ʔ. kəp rəwi̤əj ji̤aŋ sursi: ʔə:t dəŋ di: ri̤a pə:ŋ də:ʔ. jia̤ŋ sursi: pa:j nɛ:ʔ "kɔʔ bɨ:n pa̤:ŋ!" lɨʔ kə:t pa̤:ŋ tɜ̤:p. ji̤aŋ sursi: hɨ:m pa̤:ŋ nɜj ʔɔ: lɨʔ, kəp ʔan kəja̤:h ciʔ pa̤:ŋ kəp kənam./
/kəp ji̤aŋ sursi: ʔamɨh n̩ toʔ kʰo: ki̤: la: kute:ʔ. n̩toʔ də:ʔ pəro:m ʔan ʔamɨh də:ʔ mɨ̤:t. kəp ji̤aŋ sursi: hɨ:m rənaʔ ki̤: la: ʔɔ: lɨʔ./
Dâw lïq Yeang Sursii têêng paloang këp kuteeq tâng pëïn manlaok nây. Maa kuteeq nây tëë këët raïp reang ntrëw yuah, këp tëë waa bïïn ramïh ntrëw yuah tâng kuteeq nây. Bïïn qong dëëq sâng. Qök kanam kluom nyêêq tâng klaung dëëq. Këp rawiêy Yeang Sursii qëët dëng dii rea pëëng dëëq. Yeang Sursii paay nêêq "Kôq bïïn pêang!" Lïq këët pêang taïp. Yeang Sursii hïïm pêang nây qôô lïq, këp qan kayêah ciq pêang këp kanam.
Këp Yeang Sursii qamïh ntoq khoo kei laa kuteeq. Ntoq dëëq paroom qan qamïh dëëq mëït. Këp Yeang Sursii hïïm ranaq kei laa qôô lïq.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:38 pm
by Nortaneous
/p t ʨ k/ <p t j k>
/pʰ tʰ kʰ/ <pp tt kk>
/b d/ <b d>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ny ñ>
/r/ <r>
/s h/ <s h>
/w l j/ <u l y>

Finals:
/p t k ʔ m n ŋ r h w l j wʔ jʔ/ <p t k d m n ng r h o l i b j>

Vowels:
/i i: i̤: ɨ ɨ: ɨ̤: u u: ṳ:/ <i ii if w ww wf u uu uf>
/e e: e̤: ə ə: ə̤: o o: o̤:/ <e ee ef v vv vf o oo of>
/ɛ ɛ: ɜ ɜ̤: ɔ ɔ: ɔ̤:/ <x xx z zf c cc cf>
/a a: a̤: ɒ ɒ: ɒ̤:/ <a aa af q qq qf>

Diphthongs:
/iə i̤ə ɨə ɨ̤ə uə ṳə/ <ex exf vz vzf oc ocf>
/ia i̤a ua ṳa/ <ea eaf oa oaf>

Syllabic nasals /m̩ n̩ ŋ̩/ <m n ñ> can also occur in presyllables.

/dɜw lɨʔ ji̤aŋ sursi: tɛ:ŋ palɒ̤ːŋ kəp kute:ʔ tɜŋ pɨ̤:n mənlo̤:k nɜj. ma: kute:ʔ nɜj tə: kə:t rɜ̤:p ri̤aŋ n̩trəw juah, kəp tə: wa: bɨ:n rəmɨh n̩trəw juah tɜŋ kute:ʔ nɜj. bɨ:n ʔoŋ də:ʔ sɜŋ. ʔɒk kənam kluəm ɲɛ:ʔ tɜŋ klɔ̤ːŋ də:ʔ. kəp rəwi̤əj ji̤aŋ sursi: ʔə:t dəŋ di: ri̤a pə:ŋ də:ʔ. jia̤ŋ sursi: pa:j nɛ:ʔ "kɔʔ bɨ:n pa̤:ŋ!" lɨʔ kə:t pa̤:ŋ tɜ̤:p. ji̤aŋ sursi: hɨ:m pa̤:ŋ nɜj ʔɔ: lɨʔ, kəp ʔan kəja̤:h ciʔ pa̤:ŋ kəp kənam./
/kəp ji̤aŋ sursi: ʔamɨh n̩ toʔ kʰo: ki̤: la: kute:ʔ. n̩toʔ də:ʔ pəro:m ʔan ʔamɨh də:ʔ mɨ̤:t. kəp ji̤aŋ sursi: hɨ:m rənaʔ ki̤: la: ʔɔ: lɨʔ./
Dzo lwd Yeañf Sursii txxñ plqñf kvp kuteed tzñ pwnf mnlokf nzi. Maa kuteed nzi tvv kvvt rzpf reañf ntrvo ioah, kvp tvv oaa bwwn rmwh ntrvo ioah tzñ kuteed nzi. Bwwn oñ dvvd szñ. Qk knam klocm nyxxd tzñ klcñf dvvd. Kvp ruexif Yeañf Sursii vvt dvñ dii rexf pvvñ dvvd. Yeañf Sursii paai nxxd "Kcd bwwn pañf!" lwd kvvt pañf tzpf. Yeañf Sursii hwwm pañf nzi cc lwd, kvp an kiahf jid pañf kvp knam.
Kvp Yeañf Sursii amwh n tod kkoo kif laa kuteed. Ntod dvvd proom an amwh dvvd mwtf. Kvp Yeañf Sursii hwwm rnad kif laa cc lwd.


Dzo lwd Yeàñ Sursī tx̄ñ plq̀ñ kvp kutēd tzñ pẁn mnlòk nzi. Mā kutēd nzi tv̄ kv̄t rz̀p reàñ ntrvo ioah, kvp tv̄ uā bw̄n rmwh ntrvo ioah tzñ kutēd nzi. Bw̄n oñ dv̄d szñ. Qk knam klocm nyx̄d tzñ klc̀ñ dv̄d. Kvp ruex̀i Yêañ Sursī v̄t dvñ dī rex̀ pv̄ñ dv̄d. Yeàñ Sursī pāi nx̄d "Kcd bw̄n pàñ!" lwd kv̄t pàñ tz̀pf. Yeàñ Sursī hw̄m pàñ nzi c̄ lwd, kvp an kiàh jid pàñ kvp knam.
Kvp Yeàñ Sursī amwh n tod kkō kì lā kutēd. Ntod dv̄d prōm an amwh dv̄d mẁt. Kvp Yeàñ Sursī hw̄m rnad kì lā c̀ lwd.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:41 pm
by bradrn
/pʰ p b tʰ t d cʰ c ɟ kʰ k g qʰ q ɢ/ <ph p b th t d ch c j kh k g qh q ƣ>
/f v r̥ r s z x ɣ ꭓ ʁ h/ <m n ñ ŋ>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ny ng>
/l j w/ <l y w>
/a e ə o i u/ <a e ə o i u>

/hoʁoror r̥ə erqtox jajmaŋan r̥ə mi erqujn cavda meqr pʰŋafqxu əŋg hazɟɣu || hokoŋan joɣla haror̥ pandr pilŋan pʰətək ŋalagur̥ kʰəla nivx muɟ furu || ɲi vinəkta hə ɲivɣdox əɣmənəkta/

Hoĝoror ŕə erqox yaymaŋan ŕə mi erquyn cavda meqr phŋafqxu əŋg hazjǧu. Hokoŋan yoǧla haroŕ pandr pilŋan phətək ŋalaguŕ khəla nivx muj furu. Ñi vinəkta hə ñivǧdox əǧmənəkta.

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/p b t d c ɟ k g/ <p b t d c j k g>
/f s ɕ x/ <f s x h>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ñ ŋ>
/l ʎ r j/ <l ł r y>

/a ɛ ʌ ɔ e ə o i ɨ u/ <a è ê ò e ë o i ï u>
/a aˑ aː/ <a aa a꞉>
/aʰ aʔ/ <ah aq>
/¹a ²a ³a ⁴a/ <aˊ a aꜗ aˋ>
/á/ <ą>

/xéma ba də́ˑɟe | diŋ dakɨ́jasɨgec | ¹uk ¹am ¹iˑs sa ¹dəˑp i ²kɨʔt, a ətn úfaj ²fɔʔx sa díˑban || xásɨnget datcɛ́nnouagec | lɨtíːs díˑsinsi || ¹sin súgej dɔnáɟi, tságaɔˑrgec | amʌ́ ¹iˑs cáˑrcaŋ || oóʰːnde ²kʌʔj ²keʔt, ²xɨʔc dilúˑngec || dɔ́ɕɕetam daúsadɔˑx, bɔ́gdiŋ daxafóujax, ²tɨʔn datɔ́pfɨˑrtec || at ¹ɨn xémɨn dáŋtabaˑx, dikásaŋɔs, dibɔ́aŋɔs ⁴biʰːr báŋdiŋ || ³xein ditɨ́nɔtn i dúrgɔksetn/

Hęma ba dę̈ëje, diŋ dakį̈yasïgec, ukˊ amˊ iisˊ sa dëëpˊ i kïqt, a ëtn ųfay fòqh sa dįiban. Hąsïnget datcę̀nnouagec, lïtį꞉s dįisinsi. Sinˊ sųgey dònąji, tsągaòòrgec, amę̂ iisˊ cąarcaŋ. Oǫh꞉nde këqy keqt, hïqc dilųungec. Dǫ̀xxetam daųsadòòh, bǫ̀gdiŋ dahafǫuyah, tïqn datǫ̀pfïïrtec. At ïnˊ hęmïn dąŋtabaah, disąsaŋòs, dibòaŋòs biihːrˋ bąŋdiŋ. Heinꜗ ditį̈nòtn i dųrgòksetn.

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Initials:
/p t ʨ k/ <p t c k>
/pʰ tʰ kʰ/ <ph th kh>
/b d/ <b d>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ñ ŋ>
/r/ <r>
/s h/ <s h>
/w l j/ <w l y>

Finals:
/p t k ʔ m n ŋ r h w l j wʔ jʔ/ <p t k q m n ŋ r h w l y ⱳ ƴ>

Vowels:
/i i: i̤: ɨ ɨ: ɨ̤: u u: ṳ:/ <í íi íh i ii ih u uu uh>
/e e: e̤: ə ə: ə̤: o o: o̤:/ <é ée éh e ee eh o oo oh>
/ɛ ɛ: ɜ ɜ̤: ɔ ɔ: ɔ̤:/ <á áa áh ə əə əh ɔ ɔɔ ɔh>
/a a: a̤: ɒ ɒ: ɒ̤:/ <a aa ah å åa åh>

Diphthongs:
/iə i̤ə ɨə ɨ̤ə uə ṳə/ <íe íeh ie ieh ue ueh>
/ia i̤a ua ṳa/ <ia iah ua uah>

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:29 am
by Nortaneous
/pʰ p b tʰ t d cʰ c ɟ kʰ k g qʰ q ɢ/ <p b b t d d t d d c g g c g g>
/f v r̥ r s z x ɣ ꭓ ʁ h/ <ph bh th dh/r th dh ch gh ch gh h>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n n ng>
/l j w/ <l 'i mh>
/a e ə o i u/ <(e)a(i) (a)e(o) (a|e)(u|oi) (i)o(i) (u)i(u) (i)u(i)>

/hoʁoror r̥ə erqtox jajmaŋan r̥ə mi erqujn cavda meqr pʰŋafqxu əŋg hazɟɣu || hokoŋan joɣla haror̥ pandr pilŋan pʰətək ŋalagur̥ kʰəla nivx muɟ furu || ɲi vinəkta hə ɲivɣdox əɣmənəkta/

Hoghodhor thau eodhgdoch iáimangan thau mi eodhgúin teabhda meogdh pngaphcchu aungg haidhdgu. Hocongan ióighlea haroth pandr píulngan pautauc ngalaguth caula nuibhch múid phudhu. Ni bhíunaucta hau nibhghdoch aoighmeunaucta.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:06 am
by Starbeam
Consonants:
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n gn ng>
/pʰ p b tʰ t d ʨ kʰ k ʔ/ <ph p b th t d kh k g>
/s h/ <s h(h)>
/w wʔ l r j jʔ/ <w ww l r y yy>

Vowels:
/i i: i̤: ɨ ɨ: ɨ̤: u u: ṳ:/ <i ii ih iu iiu iuh u uu uh>
/e e: e̤: ə ə: ə̤: o o: o̤:/ <ei eei eih e ee eh o oo oh>
/ɛ ɛ: ɜ ɜ̤: ɔ ɔ: ɔ̤:/ <ai aih eo eoh au aau auh>
/a a: a̤: ɒ ɒ: ɒ̤:/ <a aa ah ao aao aoh>

Diphthongs:
/iə i̤ə ɨə ɨ̤ə uə ṳə/ <ie ieh iue iueh ue ueh>
/ia i̤a ua ṳa/ <ia iah ua uah>

/kəp ji̤aŋ sursi: ʔamɨh n̩ toʔ kʰo: ki̤: la: kute:ʔ. n̩toʔ də:ʔ pəro:m ʔan ʔamɨh də:ʔ mɨ̤:t. kəp ji̤aŋ sursi: hɨ:m rənaʔ ki̤: la: ʔɔ: lɨʔ./
Kep yiahng sursii gamiuhh n tog khoo kih laa kuteeig. Ntog deeg peroom gan gamiuhh deeg miuht yiang sursii hiium renag kih laa gaau liug.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:50 pm
by Nortaneous
/p pʷ ᵐb t ⁿd k kʷ ⁿʥ ᵑɡ ᵑɡʷ/ <p pö b t d c/qu cö g/gi g/gu gö>
/m mʷ n ɲ ŋ ŋʷ/ <m mö n ñ mh mhö>
/r/ <r>
/β s/ <v z>
/w l j/ <hu l y>

/i ɨ u e ə o ɑ/ <ii i u e a o aa>

/ⁿdɨkɲɨɲᵐbə ⁿdɨrɨt kɑpuk kutⁿdɨŋʷurɨn || nɑte wəⁿdɨkə ⁿde ᵑɡu tuwe wukŋəsɨkɨrɨkŋɨk || wukŋəsɨkɨrɨkⁿdəkə ⁿdɨ ⁿderɨt wək | ləs mɨ tuwe kure je ᵑɡunɨ jɑ sɨrəkᵑɡʷə ᵐbəpəⁿdukɨ kʷəjɨkɨ jo || wəᵑɡə wəⁿdɨkə ⁿde tuwe kure jɨk || kure jɨⁿdəkə ⁿdɨ jɑ sɨrəkᵑɡʷə ᵐbəpəⁿdu ⁿdɨ wəni ᵑɡu kəkŋʷuk || wəni kulɨ ᵑɡu wəin ᵑɡu ⁿdɨ jək || kəkŋʷute wəni wəin ᵑɡukɨ kutⁿdɨŋmərɨk jəⁿdɨkə ⁿde ⁿʥɨᵐbɑ jəkʷə ⁿdu ⁿde kutⁿdɨŋɨk wəni ᵑɡukɨ
Dicñiñba dirit caapuc cutdimhurin. Nate huadica de gu tue hucmhaziquiricmhic. Hucmhaziquiricdaca di derit huac, laz mi tue cure ye guni yaa ziracgöa bapaduqui cöayiqui yo. Huaga huadica de tue cure yic. Cure yidaca di yaa sirecgöa bepedu di huani gu cecmhuc. Huanii culi gu huaiin gu di yac. Cecmhute huani huaiin guqui cutdimhmaric yadica de giba yacöa du de cutdimhic huani guqui.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:17 pm
by Karch
Initials:
/p t̪ʰ t c k kʰ~x/ <p th t j k kh>
/ɓ ɗ/ <bh d>
/f v s z ɣ h/ <f b s z gh h>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ny ng>
/l r w/ <l r w>

Medials: (all but u and Vw series can take -w- between initial and medial)
/a aː ɛ ə ɔ e əː o i ɨ u/ <a aa e v o x vv c i q u>
/ie~iə ɨə uo~uə/ <ie qv uo>
/aj aːj əj ɔj əːj oj ɨj uj ɨəj uəj/ <ai aai vi oi vvi ci qi ui qvi uoi>
/aw aːw ɛw əw ew əːw iw ɨw iəw ɨəw/ <aw aaw ew vw xw vvw iw qw iew qvw>

Finals:
/p t k m n ŋ/ <p t k m n ng>
[ac aɲ] <ek eng>

Tones:
˧ ˨˩ ˧˥ ˧ˀ˨ʔ ˧˩˧ ˧ˀ˥ <a ah aq 'a aa 'aq>

tʰoj˧ˌ cuŋ˧˥ ta˧ haj˧ˀ˥ʔ suəŋ˧˥ˌ lam˨˩ lon˧ˀ˨ʔ son˧ˀ˨ʔ tieŋ˧˥ nɔj˧˨ kuə˧˩˧ cuŋ˧˥ nɔ˧˥ cɔ˧ hɔ˧ˀ˨ʔ ŋɛ˧ kʰoŋ˧ dɯək˧ˀ˨ʔ tiəŋ˧˥ nɔi˧˥ kuə˧˩˧ ŋɯəj˨˩ naːj˨˩ vəːj˧˥ ŋɯəj˨˩ kiə˧
Thcy, jungq ta 'hayq suongq, lamh 'lcn 'scn tiengq noi kuoo cungq noq co 'ho nge khong 'dqvk tiengq nciq kuoo ngqvyh naayh bvvyq nguoyh kie.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:50 pm
by Nortaneous
/p t̪ʰ t c k kʰ~x/ <p t d j g k>
/ɓ ɗ/ <b dd>
/f v s z ɣ h/ <f ff s ss gg h>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ni ñ>
/l r w/ <l r u>

/a aː ɛ ə ɔ e əː o i ɨ u/ <a q x z c e v o i w u>
/ie~iə ɨə uo~uə/ <ie wv uo>
/aj aːj əj ɔj əːj oj ɨj uj ɨəj uəj/ <ai qi...>
/aw aːw ɛw əw ew əːw iw ɨw iəw ɨəw/ <au qu...>

Finals:
/p t k m n ŋ/ <p t k m n ñ>
[ac aɲ] <ek eng>

Tones:
˧ ˨˩ ˧˥ ˧ˀ˨ʔ ˧˩˧ ˧ˀ˥ <a aj af ag as ad>

tʰoj˧ˌ cuŋ˧˥ ta˧ haj˧ˀ˥ʔ suəŋ˧˥ˌ lam˨˩ lon˧ˀ˨ʔ son˧ˀ˨ʔ tieŋ˧˥ nɔj˧˨ kuə˧˩˧ cuŋ˧˥ nɔ˧˥ cɔ˧ hɔ˧ˀ˨ʔ ŋɛ˧ kʰoŋ˧ dɯək˧ˀ˨ʔ tiəŋ˧˥ nɔi˧˥ kuə˧˩˧ ŋɯəj˨˩ naːj˨˩ vəːj˧˥ ŋɯəj˨˩ kiə˧
Toi, juñf ta haid suoñf, lamj long song tieñf ncij guos juñf ncf jc hcg ñx koñ ddwvkg tieñf ncif kuos ñwvij nqij ffvif ñwvij kie.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:28 am
by Karch
Old Eastern Bay

p~f pˤ~fˤ t tˤ ʦ ʧ k q ʔ
b bˤ d dˤ ʣ ʤ ɡ
m mˤ n nˤ ɲ
r rˤ
s sˤ ʃ x χ ħ h
z zˤ ʒ ɣ ʕ
w l lˤ j

i ɨ u ə a
i: u: a:

Consonants can be geminated. Consonant clusters agree for pharyngealization. Most instances of [bˤ] and [mˤ] are the result of pharyngealization harmony and/or nasal assimilation (e.g. /wàmbˤaʕrúf/ and /nɨxːâmːˤə̀ʔʃ/ are underlyingly |wà-nˤ-baʕrúf| and |n-ɨɣ-xânˤ-mə̀ʔ-ʃ|), some are, however, unexplainable.
It is unknown whether the contrast between /ɨ ə/ was one of quality, length (with /ə/ being longer), or both.
There are three tones: high, low and falling. Some syllables can, however, be toneless. The falling tone often spreads into toneless syllables when on a short vowel, creating a sequence of high and low tones.

/inə̀ʔχːɨrt nɨ̀ɣmɨjtːɨ̂mʃ || tːˤə̂rfɨt jáːʕdˤ nbàːrːif | jɨɣtˤɨ̂lħát || inə̀ʔχːɨrt wànɨɣɨ̀ʦːɨm dˤɨɣâzːˤàʧ || ntˤɨrâː rˤ wàmbˤaʕrúf || inɣɨrtə̂mt ntˤə̂rfɨt nɨxːâmːˤə̀ʔʃ qáːtratˤ/

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:17 am
by Karch
p~f pˤ~fˤ t tˤ ʦ ʧ k q ʔ <f ph t th ts c k kh '>
b bˤ d dˤ ʣ ʤ ɡ <b bh d dh dz j g>
m mˤ n nˤ ɲ <m mh n nh ny>
r rˤ <r rh>
s sˤ ʃ x χ ħ h <s s' sh x xh 'h h>
z zˤ ʒ ɣ ʕ <z z' zh q qh>
w l lˤ j <w l lh y>

i ɨ u ə a <i e o ee a>
i: u: a: <ii uu aa>
á à â <á à á(C)à>

/inə̀ʔχːɨrt nɨ̀ɣmɨjtːɨ̂mʃ || tːˤə̂rfɨt jáːʕdˤ nbàːrːif | jɨɣtˤɨ̂lħát || inə̀ʔχːɨrt wànɨɣɨ̀ʦːɨm dˤɨɣâzːˤàʧ || ntˤɨrâː rˤ wàmbˤaʕrúf || inɣɨrtə̂mt ntˤə̂rfɨt nɨxːâmːˤə̀ʔʃ qáːtratˤ/
Inèe'xxhert nèqméyttèmsh. Tthéèrfet yáaqhd nbàarrif, yéqthèl'hát. Inèe'xxhert wàneqèttsem déqàzz'àch. Ntheráà rh wàmbhaqhróf. Inqertéèmt nthéèrfet nexxáàmmhèe'sh qáatrath.

or:

p~f pˤ~fˤ t tˤ ʦ ʧ k q ʔ <f f t t ts tch k q 2>
b bˤ d dˤ ʣ ʤ ɡ <b b d d dz dj g>
m mˤ n nˤ ɲ <m m n n ny>
r rˤ <r r>
s sˤ ʃ x χ ħ h <s s ch kh kh 7 h>
z zˤ ʒ ɣ ʕ <z z j gh 3>
w l lˤ j <w l l y>

i ɨ u ə a <i e u e a>
i: u: a: <ee ou a>
á à â <unmarked>
C: <CC>

/inə̀ʔχːɨrt nɨ̀ɣmɨjtːɨ̂mʃ || tːˤə̂rfɨt jáːʕdˤ nbàːrːif | jɨɣtˤɨ̂lħát || inə̀ʔχːɨrt wànɨɣɨ̀ʦːɨm dˤɨɣâzːˤàʧ || ntˤɨrâː rˤ wàmbˤaʕrúf || inɣɨrtə̂mt ntˤə̂rfɨt nɨxːâmːˤə̀ʔʃ qáːtratˤ/
Ine2khert neghmeyttemch. Tterfet ya3d nbarrif, yeghtel7at. Ine2khert waneghetsem deghazzatch. Ntera r wamba3ruf. Inghertemt nterfet nekhamme2ch qatrat.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:20 pm
by Nortaneous
p~f pˤ~fˤ t tˤ ʦ ʧ k q ʔ <f fħ t tħ c č k q j>
b bˤ d dˤ ʣ ʤ ɡ <b bħ d dħ dz dž g>
m mˤ n nˤ ɲ <m mħ n nħ ñ>
r rˤ <r rħ>
s sˤ ʃ x χ ħ h <s sħ š x xħ jħ h>
z zˤ ʒ ɣ ʕ <z zħ ž gh għ>
w l lˤ j <w l lħ y>

i ɨ u ə a <i ee u e a>
i: u: a: <ii uu aa>

/á à â/ <á à â>

/inə̀ʔχːɨrt nɨ̀ɣmɨjtːɨ̂mʃ || tːˤə̂rfɨt jáːʕdˤ nbàːrːif | jɨɣtˤɨ̂lħát || inə̀ʔχːɨrt wànɨɣɨ̀ʦːɨm dˤɨɣâzːˤàʧ || ntˤɨrâː rˤ wàmbˤaʕrúf || inɣɨrtə̂mt ntˤə̂rfɨt nɨxːâmːˤə̀ʔʃ qáːtratˤ/
Inèjxxeert nèèghmeeyttêêmš. Ttħêrfeet yáágħd nbààrrif, yeeghtħêêljħát. Inècxxeert wàneeghèèttseem dħeeghâzzħàč. Ntħeerââ rħ wàmbħajħrúf. Ingheertêmt ntħêrfeet neexxâmmħèjħš qáátratħ.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:56 pm
by bradrn
Old Eastern Bay

/p~f pˤ~fˤ t tˤ ʦ ʧ k q ʔ/ ⟨p pö t tö ts tc k q ʼ⟩
/b bˤ d dˤ ʣ ʤ ɡ/ ⟨b bö d dö dz dj g⟩
/m mˤ n nˤ ɲ/ ⟨m mö n nö ñ⟩
/r rˤ/ ⟨r rö⟩
/s sˤ ʃ x χ ħ h/ ⟨s sö c xf x hö h⟩
/z zˤ ʒ ɣ ʕ/ ⟨z zö j gv gö⟩
/w l lˤ j/ ⟨w l lö y⟩

Geminated consonants are doubled. (For digraphs only the last element is doubled.) At the end of a word the final ⟨-ö⟩ may be placed before rather than after a pharyngealised consonant cluster. In most cases the diaeresis may be left off for readability.

/i ɨ u ə a/ ⟨i e u ee a⟩
/i: u: a: / ⟨ii uu aa⟩

/á à â a/ ⟨á à â a⟩

/inə̀ʔχːɨrt nɨ̀ɣmɨjtːɨ̂mʃ || tːˤə̂rfɨt jáːʕdˤ nbàːrːif | jɨɣtˤɨ̂lħát || inə̀ʔχːɨrt wànɨɣɨ̀ʦːɨm dˤɨɣâzːˤàʧ || ntˤɨrâː rˤ wàmbˤaʕrúf || inɣɨrtə̂mt ntˤə̂rfɨt nɨxːâmːˤə̀ʔʃ qáːtratˤ/

Inèeʼxxert nègvmeyttêmc. Ttoêerpet yáaogd nbàarrip, yegtoêlhoát. Inèeʼxxert wànegvètssem doegvâzzoàtc. Ntoerâa ör wàmboagroúp. Ingvertêemt ntoêerpet nexffâmmoèeʼc qáatraot.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:58 am
by bradrn
As a complement to the previous post, here’s an alternate romanization using as many diacritics as possible:

/p~f pˤ~fˤ t tˤ ʦ ʧ k q ʔ/ ⟨p ṗ t ṭ c č k q ʔ⟩
/b bˤ d dˤ ʣ ʤ ɡ/ ⟨b ḅ d ḍ j ǰ g⟩
/m mˤ n nˤ ɲ/ ⟨m ṃ n ṇ ň⟩
/r rˤ/ ⟨r ṛ⟩
/s sˤ ʃ x χ ħ h/ ⟨s ṣ š x x̌ ḥ h⟩
/z zˤ ʒ ɣ ʕ/ ⟨z ẓ ž ǧ ġ⟩
/w l lˤ j/ ⟨w l ḷ y⟩

/i ɨ u ə a/ ⟨i u o e a⟩

/Vː Cː/ ⟨V̄ C̄~C̱⟩
/V́ V̀ V̂ V/ ⟨V́ V̀ V̂ V⟩

/inə̀ʔχːɨrt nɨ̀ɣmɨjtːɨ̂mʃ || tːˤə̂rfɨt jáːʕdˤ nbàːrːif | jɨɣtˤɨ̂lħát || inə̀ʔχːɨrt wànɨɣɨ̀ʦːɨm dˤɨɣâzːˤàʧ || ntˤɨrâː rˤ wàmbˤaʕrúf || inɣɨrtə̂mt ntˤə̂rfɨt nɨxːâmːˤə̀ʔʃ qáːtratˤ/

Inèʔx̌̄urt nùǧmuyt̄ûmš. Ṭ̄êrput yā́ġḍ nbā̀r̄ip, yuǧṭûlḥát. Inèʔx̌̄urt wànuǧùc̄um ḍuǧâẓẓàč. Nṭurā̂ ṛ wàmḅaġrúp. Inǧurtē̂mt nṭêrput nux̌̄âṃ̄èʔš qā́traṭ.

Or, for a slightly less messy version, macrons can go below letters and dots can go above:

Inèʔx̱̌urt nùǧmuyṯûmš. Ṯ̇êrput yá̱ġḋ nbà̱ṟip, yuǧṫûlḣát. Inèʔx̱̌urt wànuǧùc̱um ḋuǧâżżàč. Nṫurâ̱ ṙ wàmḃaġrúp. Inǧurtê̱mt nṫêrput nux̱̌âṁ̱èʔš qá̱traṫ.

EDIT: And I’ve just realised that if you replace the overdots by apostrophes, the carons with ⟨-h⟩, double all the letters, and transcribe /ʔ/ ⟨qʼ⟩ for good measure, it gives you almost canonical ‘Standard Average Fantasy’:

Inèqʼxxʼurt nùgʼmuyttûumsh. Ttʼêrput yáagdʼ nbàarrip, yughtʼûlhʼát. Inèqʼxxʼurt wànughùccum dʼughâzzʼàch. Ntʼurâa rʼ wàmbʼagʼrúp. Inghurtêemt ntʼêrput nuxxʼâmmʼèqʼsh qáatratʼ.

Isn’t conlanging fun‽

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 12:58 pm
by Karch
here's what i'm using:

p~f pˤ~fˤ t tˤ ʦ ʧ k q ʔ <f f̣ t ṭ c č k q ʔ>
b bˤ d dˤ ʣ ʤ ɡ <b ḅ d ḍ ʒ ǯ g>
m mˤ n nˤ ɲ <m ṃ n ṇ ñ>
r rˤ <r ṛ>
s sˤ ʃ x χ ħ h <s ṣ š x χ ħ h>
z zˤ ʒ ɣ ʕ <z ẓ ž ɣ ʕ>
w l lˤ j <w l ḷ y>

i ɨ u ə a <i ə u ä a>
i: u: a: <ī ū ā>

/á à â/ <á à â> <ā́ ā̀ ā̂>

/inə̀ʔχːɨrt nɨ̀ɣmɨjtːɨ̂mʃ || tːˤə̂rfɨt jáːʕdˤ nbàːrːif | jɨɣtˤɨ̂lħát || inə̀ʔχːɨrt wànɨɣɨ̀ʦːɨm dˤɨɣâzːˤàʧ || ntˤɨrâː rˤ wàmbˤaʕrúf || inɣɨrtə̂mt ntˤə̂rfɨt nɨxːâmːˤə̀ʔʃ qáːtratˤ/
Inä̀ʔχχərt nəɣmə̀yttə̂mš. Ṭṭä̂rfət yā́ʕḍ nbā̀rrif, yəɣṭə̂lħát. Inä̀ʔχχərt wàḍəɣə́ccəm ḍəɣâẓẓàč. Ṇṭǝrā̂ ṛ wàṃḅaʕrúf. Inɣǝrtä̂mt ṇṭä̂rfət nəxxâṃṃä̀ʔš qā́traṭ.