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Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 1:00 am
by Man in Space

Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 1:30 am
by bradrn
Man in Space wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 1:00 am From our friends at Reuters:

Kohli record ton in vain as Mumbai pip Bangalore to final IPL playoff spot
Seems pretty clear to me… unlike this gem I saw in the Daily Maverick:

Minister of defensive — Thandi Modise repeats ‘We put fokol’ on Lady R mantra as MPs demand answers

Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 9:35 am
by hwhatting
For me the hang-up was right at the start - I assumed "prison ordered" meant a prison (as institution) was ordered to do something, not that someone was sentenced to prison.

Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2023 3:38 am
by bradrn
Today in XKCD:

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(No, I don’t understand it either.)

Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2023 3:56 am
by Man in Space
[After [bird [strikes]]] [judge [who ordered [Olive Garden path [sentence [in case of green walkway]]] vacated] [overturned]]. . .

Put a comma in before “judge” and it’s much easier to parse.

Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2023 5:56 am
by bradrn
A different kind of confusing headline:

PA benefits from absent DA to trounce ANC in Joburg ward, but ruling party records crucial win over IFP in KZN

Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2023 9:54 am
by Raphael
bradrn wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 5:56 am A different kind of confusing headline:

PA benefits from absent DA to trounce ANC in Joburg ward, but ruling party records crucial win over IFP in KZN
I recognize what all the acronyms mean in that context except for the first one. Is that a new entry?

Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:08 am
by bradrn
Raphael wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 9:54 am
bradrn wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 5:56 am A different kind of confusing headline:

PA benefits from absent DA to trounce ANC in Joburg ward, but ruling party records crucial win over IFP in KZN
I recognize what all the acronyms mean in that context except for the first one. Is that a new entry?
It would appear that they date from 2013.

(Incidentally, if anyone is wondering what this means:
More: show
PA = Patriotic Alliance (political party)
DA = Democratic Alliance (another political party)
ANC = African National Congress (yet another political party; you might know of its former president Nelson Mandela)
IFP = Inkatha Freedom Party (yep, South Africa sure has a lot of parties, doesn’t it?)
KZN = KwaZulu–Natal (not a party! this one’s a province)

And also:
Joburg = Johannesburg, South Africa
)

Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:10 am
by Raphael
Thank you!

Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2023 2:06 pm
by Man in Space
If you hadn’t explained this I would’ve assumed that Pennsylvania had some legal proceedings go their way due to a wayward district attorney.

Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:23 pm
by Hominid
Protesters gather in Springfield against the YMCA and others to advocate for LGBTQ rights

The article describes a situation that is completely different from the one I assumed based on the headline.

Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:50 pm
by zompist
Not a headline, but this did trip me up a moment:

"is this a you can only fit it on a truck sized desk vs. you can disassemble it and stuff it into a Prius sized desk."

(The context: a post about selling a desk.)

The garden path bit is "Prius sized desk", but I'm more struck by using entire sentences as modifiers. Of course this is part of English, but it's more usual to hyphenate to avoid confusion.

Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:40 pm
by KathTheDragon
I've given up on hyphenating sentences-as-modifiers. Having to remember to hit the dash rather than the spacebar seriously slows down my typing, which leads to a desync between the speed of my brain coming up with what to write and my fingers writing it down.

Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:59 am
by salem
I tend to wrap the sentences-as-modifiers in quotes, eg: "you can only fit it on a truck"-sized desk vs "you can disassemble it and stuff it into a Prius"-sized desk. Because yeah, I agree that putting hyphens between every word is annoying to type and annoying to read.

Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:36 am
by bradrn
Australian MP sent ‘hit list’ letter threatening critics of Cambodian leader Hun Sen

Who was the sender? Who was the sendee? Only the article can reveal if the verb is active or passive…

Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:14 am
by Travis B.
bradrn wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:36 am Australian MP sent ‘hit list’ letter threatening critics of Cambodian leader Hun Sen

Who was the sender? Who was the sendee? Only the article can reveal if the verb is active or passive…
I thought the very same thing before I read the second line of your post.

Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:28 pm
by Qwynegold
I just saw a YouTube video with the following title:

The woman being denied the NHS care
she needs to treat her ME


I was confused for a moment because I read the second line as a separate sentence and ME as 1SG.ACC.

Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:29 am
by hwhatting
bradrn wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:36 am Australian MP sent ‘hit list’ letter threatening critics of Cambodian leader Hun Sen

Who was the sender? Who was the sendee? Only the article can reveal if the verb is active or passive…
Or you remember that headlinese most of the time only uses the present tense for active verbs. If the MP was the sender, the headline would be "MP sends".

Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2023 2:09 am
by Raphael
OK, in this case, seeing this headline as "confusing" might seem a bit pedantic, but I still think I have a point:

From Roll Call:

Florida judge: Trump documents trial will start in May

What makes this a bit confusing is that I think someone who's familiar with the structure of the courts in the USA might assume that this refers to a Florida state or local judge, when in fact, it refers to a federal judge in Florida.

Re: Confusing headlines

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 11:53 am
by Linguoboy
Birch Tree, Missouri man
drowns in 'Current River'
Saturday afternoon