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• j → h
• l → ʎ → j /_i
• o i → u e /_#

Nêcan (ipsas) ûni uemmeni lêbiri î iquêli in dignitêsi î dedîto. San (ipsas) dotêti de razoni î ienemma î debian agiere iasiar se commo frêtri.
[ˈnɛ:.ka (ipsa:s) ˈuː.je ˈwɛm.mɛ.je ˈlɛ:.wi.re iː ͜ hiˈkɛ:.je ɪn d͡ʒɛ.hɛˈtɛ:.se iː d͡ʒeˈʒi:.tu || sa (ipsa:s) doˈtɛ:.t͡ʃe d͡ʒe raˈt͡ʃo.je ͜ he ͜ hɛˈlɛm.ma i: d͡ʒɛˈwha aˈʒɛr.re haˈshaː ʃɛˈkom.mu ˈfrɛ:.tri]

Bump

@Rounin Ryuuji where are you?

• Retroactively removing "ipsas";
• Diphthongisation of long vowels, [ɛ: uː iː aː] > [ɪɐ ɛʊ ɛɪ ɐʊ]
• Postconsonantal [r] > [j]; [sh wh] > [ʃ f]; [tj fj] > [tʃ ç]
• [e je o u] > [i i u y], or nonsyllabic [ɪ] following a syllabic vowel; some excrescences may occur; [wi wɛ] > [jy jɔ];
• Except Before [i j y], [t͡ʃ d͡ʒ ʃ ʒ] > [t͡s d͡z s z]; befoe [i j y], [t d s] merge with surviving [t͡ʃ d͡ʒ ʃ].
• [h] produced by excrescence returns to [j]
• Competing forms of the conjunction [ɛɪ~çi] are lost, [ɛɪ] prevails;
• Minor scribal changes — final [ɪ] after vowels is often now spelled il, a few of the vowels are emmended; ou u are used for [u y]. Many silent nasal consonants are left untouched;

Nêcan ûni uemmeni lêbiri î iquêil eil degnetêsi eil desîtu. San doutêti di razoni eil ienemma eil defan asere hasau se coummou frêtri.
[ˈnɪɐ.ka ˈɛʊ.wɪ ˈjɔm.mɛɪ ˈlɪɐ.jy.ri ɛɪ ͜ jiˈkɪɐɪ ɪn d͡zɛ.hɛˈtɪɐ.ʃi ɛɪ d͡ʒiˈzɛɪ.t͡ʃy || sa duˈtɪɐ.t͡ʃi d͡ʒi raˈt͡suɪ ͜ ɛɪ ͜ jɛˈlɛm.ma ɛɪ d͡zɛˈfa aˈzɛr.ri haˈsɐʊ sɛˈkum.mu ˈçɪɐ.tʃi]

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:56 am [h] produced by excrescence returns to [j]

Fuck you

What about having English go full round from analytic to agglutinative to fusional?

As usual you can take it phonologically, gramatically or vocabulary wise in any direction, a less typical/more creative one would be even more appreciated

The North wind and the sun were disputing when a traveller came along, wrapped in a warm cloak.
[ðə ˈnɔɹθ ˌwɪnd ən ə ˈsʌn wɚ dɪsˈpjuɾɪŋ ˈwɪtʃ wəz ðə ˈstɹɑŋɡɚ, wɛn ə ˈtɹævlɚ ˌkem əˈlɑŋ ˈɹæpt ɪn ə ˈwɔɹm ˈklok.]

They argued that the one who first succeeded in making the traveler take his cloak off should be considered stronger than the other
[ðe əˈɡɹid ðət ðə ˈwʌn hu ˈfɚst səkˈsidəd ɪn ˈmekɪŋ ðə ˈtɹævlɚ ˈtek ɪz ˈklok ˌɑf ʃʊd bi kənˈsɪdɚd ˈstɹɑŋɡɚ ðən ðɪ ˈʌðɚ.]

The Akkadian passage on wiki is nice but it's long and hard to bring here with a gloss without at least 2h of work. Passages in English or in conlangs made by forum members are easier

Neonnaut wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:12 am

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:56 am [h] produced by excrescence returns to [j]

Fuck you

I find this a bizarrely dramatic reaction to a fairly probable occurrence.

• [wʌ] > [wʊ], other occurrences of [ʌ] > [ɐ];
• [ɑ] > [ɐ] except before [ɹ]; [ɚ] merges with [ɑɹ];
• [ə] > [ʊ];
• [w ɹ z l] > [ɫ ʊ̯ ɾ ʎ]; [kl] > [cʎ]
• Coda [t k] > [ʔ], terminal stops devoice:

The North wind and the sun were disputing when a traveller came along, wrapped in a warm cloak.
[ðʊ ˈnɔʊ̯θ ˌɫɪnt ʊn ðʊ ˈsɐn ɫɑʊ̯ dɪsˈpjuɾɪŋ ˈɫɪtʃ ɫʊɾ ðʊ ˈstʊ̯ɐŋɡɑʊ̯, ɫɛn ʊ ˈtʊ̯ævʊʎɑʊ̯ ˌkeɪm ʊˈʎɐŋ ˈʊ̯æpʔ ɪn ʊ ˈɫɔʊ̯m ˈcʎoʊʔ]

They agreed that the one who first succeeded in making the traveler take off his cloak should be considered stronger than the other
[ðe ʊˈɡɹiɪt ðʊt ðʊ ˈɫʊn huʊ ˈfɑʊ̯sʔ sʊkˈsiɪdʊt ɪn ˈmeɪkɪŋ ðʊ ˈtʊ̯ævʎɑʊ̯ ˈteɪʔ ɐf ɪɾ ˈcʎoʊʔ ʃʊt bi kʊnˈsɪdɑʊ̯t ˈstʊ̯ɐŋɡɑʊ̯ ðʊn ðɪ ˈɐðɑʊ̯.]

- Th stopping
The North wind and the sun were disputing when a traveller came along, wrapped in a warm cloak.
[Dʊ ˈnɔʊ̯t ˌɫɪnt ʊn dʊ ˈsɐn ɫɑʊ̯ dɪsˈpjuɾɪŋ ˈɫɪtʃ ɫʊɾ dʊ ˈstʊ̯ɐŋɡɑʊ̯, ɫɛn ʊ ˈtʊ̯ævʊʎɑʊ̯ ˌkeɪm ʊˈʎɐŋ ˈʊ̯æpʔ ɪn ʊ ˈɫɔʊ̯m ˈcʎoʊʔ]

They agreed that the one who first succeeded in making the traveler take off his cloak should be considered stronger than the other
[de ʊˈɡɹiɪt dʊt dʊ ˈɫʊn huʊ ˈfɑʊ̯sʔ sʊkˈsiɪdʊt ɪn ˈmeɪkɪŋ dʊ ˈtʊ̯ævʎɑʊ̯ ˈteɪʔ ɐf ɪɾ ˈcʎoʊʔ ʃʊt bi kʊnˈsɪdɑʊ̯t ˈstʊ̯ɐŋɡɑʊ̯ dʊn dɪ ˈɐdɑʊ̯.]

• The "main-mine-mean" merger — [eɪ aɪ iɪ] > [ɛɪ̯];
• The "who-how-her" merger — [uʊ aʊ ɑʊ] > [ɛʊ̯];
• The "hoe-hoar" merger — [oʊ ɔʊ̯] > [ʊ̯ɛʊ̯]
• Initial [ɫ] develops a prosthetic initial [w]; initial [ʊ̯] > [w] with compensatory lengthening of the following vowel; [w] is lost after [ɫ ʎ]
• Vowels lengthen immediately preceding voiced consonants, regardless of stress;
• Homorganic tensing — [ɪː ɐː] > [iː æː] before a homorganic coda cluster or coda homorganic with the next conosnant;
• A new orthography begins to emerge among authors attempting to create a new literature for their new Anglic language, while still paying respects to Classical orthography where possible:
  • The vowels [ɛ ɛɪ e i ɪ ʊ ɐ æ] are usually spelled e, ee, ei~ai, ie, i, u, a, aa, except that [ʊ] as the closing element of a diphthong is frequently etymologically spelled r, and that [ɛ(ː)ʊ̯] may be given the spelling aar if it had the classical spelling ar; [ju(ː)] is ordinarily spelled iew, from the classical spelling of words such as view;
  • The initial cluster [wɫ] is spelled wl; in clusters [w] is still often etymologically spelled with r;
  • Etymological doubled consonants and terminal silent e are usually retained;
  • Glottalised terminal consonants are usually spelled t regardless of etymology;
  • In demonstratives and a few other common words, [d] is still spelled th.

Classical: The North wind and the sun were disputing when a traveller came along, wrapped in a warm cloak.
New: Thu Nuert Wlient un thu San wler dispiewring wlich wlur thu straanger wlen u traavuller came ulong wraapt in u wlaarm cluerte.
[Dʊ ˈnʊ̯ɛʊ̯t ˌwɫiːnt ʊn dʊ ˈsɐn wɫɛʊ̯ dɪsˈpjuːɾɪŋ ˈwɫɪtʃ wɫʊːɾ dʊ ˈstwæːŋɡɛʊ̯, wɫɛːn ʊ ˈtwæːvʊːʎɛʊ̯ ˌkɛːɪ̯m ʊˈʎɐŋ ˈwæːpʔ ɪn ʊ ˈwɫɛːʊ̯m ˈcʎɛːʊ̯ʔ]

Classical: They agreed that the one who first succeeded in making the traveler take off his cloak should be considered stronger than the other
New: Thei ugreed thut thu wlun wher faarst succeedud in maiking thu traavuller taite af ir clerte shud bie cunsiderd straanger thun thi ather.
[de ʊːˈɡɹɛɪt dʊt dʊ ˈwɫʊːn hɛʊ̯ ˈfɛʊ̯sʔ sʊkˈsɛːɪdʊt ɪn ˈmɛɪkɪːŋ dʊ ˈtwæːvʊːʎɛʊ̯ ˈtɛɪʔ ɐf ɪːɾ ˈcʎɛːʊ̯ʔ ʃʊt bi kʊːnˈsɪːdɛʊ̯t ˈstwæːŋɡɛʊ̯ dʊːn dɪ ˈɐː.dɛʊ̯.]

1. Final -t disappears
2. Classical orthography falls out from use.

Thu Nuert Wlient un thu San wler dispiewring wlich wlur thu straanger wlen u traavuller came ulong wraapt in u wlaarm cluerte.
[Dʊ ˈnʊ̯ɛʊ̯ ˌwɫiːn ʊn dʊ ˈsɐn wɫɛʊ̯ dɪsˈpjuːɾɪŋ ˈwɫɪtʃ wɫʊːɾ dʊ ˈstwæːŋɡɛʊ̯, wɫɛːn ʊ ˈtwæːvʊːʎɛʊ̯ ˌkɛːɪ̯m ʊˈʎɐŋ ˈwæːpʔ ɪn ʊ ˈwɫɛːʊ̯m ˈcʎɛːʊ̯ʔ]
:
Thei ugreed thut thu wlun wher faarst succeedud in maiking thu traavuller taite af ir clerte shud bie cunsiderd straanger thun thi ather.
[de ʊːˈɡɹɛɪ dʊ dʊ ˈwɫʊːn hɛʊ̯ ˈfɛʊ̯sʔ sʊkˈsɛːɪdʊ ɪn ˈmɛɪkɪːŋ dʊ ˈtwæːvʊːʎɛʊ̯ ˈtɛɪʔ ɐf ɪːɾ ˈcʎɛːʊ̯ʔ ʃʊ bi kkʊːnˈsɪːdɛʊ̯ ˈstwæːŋɡɛʊ̯ dʊːn dɪ ˈɐː.dɛʊ̯.]

Otto Kretschmer wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 12:22 pm 1. Final -t disappears
2. Classical orthography falls out from use.

Thu Nuert Wlient un thu San wler dispiewring wlich wlur thu straanger wlen u traavuller came ulong wraapt in u wlaarm cluerte.
[Dʊ ˈnʊ̯ɛʊ̯ ˌwɫiːn ʊn dʊ ˈsɐn wɫɛʊ̯ dɪsˈpjuːɾɪŋ ˈwɫɪtʃ wɫʊːɾ dʊ ˈstwæːŋɡɛʊ̯, wɫɛːn ʊ ˈtwæːvʊːʎɛʊ̯ ˌkɛːɪ̯m ʊˈʎɐŋ ˈwæːpʔ ɪn ʊ ˈwɫɛːʊ̯m ˈcʎɛːʊ̯ʔ]
:
Thei ugreed thut thu wlun wher faarst succeedud in maiking thu traavuller taite af ir clerte shud bie cunsiderd straanger thun thi ather.
[de ʊːˈɡɹɛɪ dʊ dʊ ˈwɫʊːn hɛʊ̯ ˈfɛʊ̯sʔ sʊkˈsɛːɪdʊ ɪn ˈmɛɪkɪːŋ dʊ ˈtwæːvʊːʎɛʊ̯ ˈtɛɪʔ ɐf ɪːɾ ˈcʎɛːʊ̯ʔ ʃʊ bi kkʊːnˈsɪːdɛʊ̯ ˈstwæːŋɡɛʊ̯ dʊːn dɪ ˈɐː.dɛʊ̯.]

1. ʊ̯ and w fortite to ɫ, Vɪ and Vj fortite to ʎ
2. w > ∅ / #_ɫ
3. ɐ ɐː æː ɛː > a aː ae̯ ɛɪ̯

Thu Nuert Wlient un thu San wler dispiewring wlich wlur thu straanger wlen u traavuller came ulong wraapt in u wlaarm cluerte.
[Dʊ ˈnɫɛɫ ˌɫiːn ʊn dʊ ˈsan ɫɛɫ dɪsˈpjuːɾɪŋ ˈɫɪtʃ ɫʊːɾ dʊ ˈstwae̯ŋɡɛɫ, ɫɛɪ̯n ʊ ˈtɫae̯vʊːʎɛɫ ˌkɛɪ̯ʎm ʊˈʎaŋ ˈɫae̯pʔ ɪn ʊ ˈɫɛɪ̯ɫm ˈcʎɛɪ̯ɫʔ]
:
Thei ugreed thut thu wlun wher faarst succeedud in maiking thu traavuller taite af ir clerte shud bie cunsiderd straanger thun thi ather.
[de ʊːˈɡɹɛʎ dʊ dʊ ˈɫʊːn hɛɫ ˈfɛɫsʔ sʊkˈsɛɪ̯ʎdʊ ɪn ˈmɛʎkɪːŋ dʊ ˈtɫae̯vʊːʎɛɫ ˈtɛʎʔ af ɪːɾ ˈcʎɛɪ̯ɫʔ ʃʊ bi kkʊːnˈsɪːdɛɫ ˈstɫae̯ŋɡɛɫ dʊːn dɪ ˈaː.dɛɫ.]

• [stɫ tɫ nɫ] > [ʃtɬ tɬ ⁿdɮ];
• Vowel lengthening before voiced consonants remains productive;
• [ʊ ʊː uː ɪː ɛː ae̯ aːe̯] > [ʏ yː yː iː eː ɛː aː]
• [cʎ pj] > [tɕ]
• [s] > [ʃ]; Assibliation of [d t] > [s z] before front vowels; [k g f h] > [tɕ dʑ ç ç] under the same circumstances;
• Inherited [tʃ ʃ s] > [tɕ ɕ ɕ] in contact with high front vowels, [tɬ ɬ] elsewhere;
• Loss of second elements in diphthongs before lateral fortifications;
• Edit: Minor orthographic changes — ee replaces aa to spell [eː]; a few silent e are "corrected" in, analogously with Classical English, indicating vowels to be long; some terminal [ʎ] are indicated with l.

Thu Nuert Wlient une thu Sane wlere dispiewrieng wlich wlure thu straangere wlene u traavurrere ceelme ulaang wreept in u wleerm clueerte.
[zʏ ˈⁿdɮɛːɫ ˌɫiːn yːn zʏ ˈɬaːn ɫeːɫ zɪsˈtɕyːɾiːŋ ˈɫɪtɕ ɫyːɾ zʏ ˈɬtɬaːŋdʑeːɫ, ɫeːʎn ʊ ˈtɬaːvyːʎeːɫ ˌtɕeːʎm yːˈʎaːŋ ˈɫɛːpʔ iːn ʊ ˈɫeːɫm ˈtɕeːɫʔ]
:
Thei ugreeld thut thu wlune where feerst succeeldud in meelcieng thu traavurrer teerte af ir clueerte shut bie ciunsiideert straangere thun thi athere.
[ze yːˈɡɹeːʎ zʏ zʏ ˈɫyːn çeːɫ ˈçeːɫsʔ ɕʏkˈɕeːʎzʏ iːn ˈmeːʎtɕiːŋ zʏ ˈtɬaːvyːʎɛːɫ ˈseːʎʔ af iːɾ ˈtɕeːɫʔ ɕʏ bi tɕyːnˈɕiːzeːɫ ˈʃtɬaːŋdʑeːɫ zyːn zɪ ˈaː.zeːɫ.]

What sort of bizarro English is this?

Bizarrish?

Do 10 rounds more!

Let me copypaste your conlang, Rounin.

俺れ 現日 玉子やを 食。
いみよれ けぶ たわしやを かぶ。
Imyôre kyobu tōshō kabu.
[ì.mᶣi̯ó̞ᵝː.ɾ̪è̞ c͡çʰó̞ᵝˑ.bʉ̀ᵝ t̪ʰó̞ᵝː.ɕʰò̞ᵝː kʰɐ̞́ˑ.bʉ̀ᵝ]
1sg.NOMINATIVE today sphere.child(=egg).PLURAL.ACCUSATIVE eat.PREDICATIVE
"Today, I shall eat eggs."

昕さ、庭鳷めを。
あかさ、にはづどほい゙めを。
Asaka, niyadôl myō.
[ɐ̞̀.s̪ɐ̞́ˑ.kʰɐ̞̀ | ɲí.jɐ̞̀.d̪ô̞ᵝːɫ mᶣi̯ò̞ᵝː]
tomorrow garden.fowl(=chicken) also.ACCUSATIVE
"Tomorrow, chicken."

Let's give it a go...

mᶣ > ŋᶣ
c͡çʰ kʰ tʰ pʰ ɕʰ > ç x θ ɸ ɕ
b d > ɓ ɗ
oᵝː ʉᵝ> ou̯ ɨ

俺れ 現日 玉子やを 食。
いみよれ けぶ たわしやを かぶ。
Imyôre kyobu tōshō kabu.
[ì.ŋᶣi̯óu̯.ɾ̪è̞ çó̞u̯.ɓɨ̀ θó̞u̯.ɕò̞u̯ xɐ̞́ˑ.ɓɨ̀]
1sg.NOMINATIVE today sphere.child(=egg).PLURAL.ACCUSATIVE eat.PREDICATIVE
"Today, I shall eat eggs."

昕さ、庭鳷めを。
あかさ、にはづどほい゙めを。
Asaka, niyadôl myō.
[ɐ̞̀.s̪ɐ̞́ˑ.xɐ̞̀ | ɲí.jɐ̞̀.ɗô̞u̯ɫ ŋᶣi̯ò̞u̯]
tomorrow garden.fowl(=chicken) also.ACCUSATIVE
"Tomorrow, chicken."

Zju wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:02 pm Let's give it a go...

Oh, my, how unstable! What to do with a language with no voiceless stops?

• [ŋ ɲ] > [g ɟ]; initial [g ɟ] > [k c] > [kʰ cʰ] (aspiration of voiceless consonants is an areal feature); [kʰ g] > [cʰ ɟ] when palatalised or labiopalatalised (areal surface filter)
• [θ s̪] > [t̪ʰ] initially, [θ] medially
• Suppression of short vowels between voiceless consonants, sometimes affecting the pitch cadence of the word;
• Fortition of [x] > [kʰ] after fricatives
• [j] fortifies to [ç]
• Low-pitch [ɨ̀] is lost, lengthening the preceding vowel;
• Insertion of glottal stops in place of null initials:

俺れ 現日 玉子やを 食。
いみよれ けぶ たわしやを かぶ。
Igwyoure hyôub toushou hâb.
[ʔì.ɟᶣi̯óu̯.ɾ̪è̞ çó̞ːu̯ɓ t̪ʰó̞u̯.ɕò̞u̯ xɐ̞́ːɓ]
1sg.NOMINATIVE today sphere.child(=egg).PLURAL.ACCUSATIVE eat.PREDICATIVE
"Today, I shall eat eggs."

昕さ、庭鳷めを。
あかさ、にはづどほい゙めを。
Athka, niyadoul kwyō.
[ʔɐ̞́θ.kʰɐ̞̀ | cʰí.çɐ̞̀.ɗô̞u̯ɫ cᶣi̯ò̞u̯]
tomorrow garden.fowl(=chicken) also.ACCUSATIVE
"Tomorrow, chicken."

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:25 am

Zju wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:02 pm Let's give it a go...

Oh, my, how unstable! What to do with a language with no voiceless stops?

I - uuughh - basic oversight.

L vocalisation:
ɫ > o / V_{C #}

俺れ 現日 玉子やを 食。
いみよれ けぶ たわしやを かぶ。
Igwyoure hyôub toushou hâb.
[ʔì.ɟᶣi̯óu̯.ɾ̪è̞ çó̞ːu̯ɓ t̪ʰó̞u̯.ɕò̞u̯ xɐ̞́ːɓ]
1sg.NOMINATIVE today sphere.child(=egg).PLURAL.ACCUSATIVE eat.PREDICATIVE
"Today, I shall eat eggs."

昕さ、庭鳷めを。
あかさ、にはづどほい゙めを。
Athka, niyadoul kwyō.
[ʔɐ̞́θ.kʰɐ̞̀ | cʰí.çɐ̞̀.ɗô̞u̯ô̞ cᶣi̯ò̞u̯]
tomorrow garden.fowl(=chicken) also.ACCUSATIVE
"Tomorrow, chicken."

The conlang fluency thread is a good future source of phrases.

• Loss of low-pitched vowels following open syllables with high-pitched long vowels or diphthongs;
• Collapse of [ou] > [uː], but to [oː] before rhotics, [oːu] > [ou]
• Surface filters shift [u(ː)] > [y(ː)] in certain environments; presence of [y] following a palatal shifts it to a labiopalatal; labiopalatals become plain palatals elsewhere;
• Areally common compression spreads to rounded vowels;
• Tesséki spelling is adjusted to match the conventions of the standard language.

俺れ 現日 玉子ゆふ 食。
いぐゐよれ ひよふぼ つをうしゆふ はぼ。
Igyôr hyoub tûshyû hâb.
[ʔì.ɟi̯óᵝːɾ̪ çóᵝu̯ɓ t̪ʰúᵝː.ɕỳᵝː xɐ̞́ːɓ]
1sg.NOMINATIVE today sphere.child(=egg).PLURAL.ACCUSATIVE eat.PREDICATIVE
"Today, I shall eat eggs."

昕か、庭鳷くゐゆ。
あそ゚か、くゐひやどっをくゐゆ。
Athka, niyadouo kyû.
[ʔɐ̞́θ.kʰɐ̞̀ | cʰí.çɐ̞̀.ɗóᵝu̯òᵝ cᶣŷː]
tomorrow garden.fowl(=chicken) also.ACCUSATIVE
"Tomorrow, chicken."
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Glottal stops disappear

俺れ 現日 玉子ゆふ 食。
いぐゐよれ ひよふぼ つをうしゆふ はぼ。
Igyôr hyoub tûshyû hâb.
[ì.ɟi̯óᵝːɾ̪ çóᵝu̯ɓ t̪ʰúᵝː.ɕỳᵝː xɐ̞́ːɓ]
1sg.NOMINATIVE today sphere.child(=egg).PLURAL.ACCUSATIVE eat.PREDICATIVE
"Today, I shall eat eggs."

昕か、庭鳷くゐゆ。
あそ゚か、くゐひやどっをくゐゆ。
Athka, niyadouo kyû.
[ɐ̞́θ.kʰɐ̞̀ | cʰí.çɐ̞̀.ɗóᵝu̯òᵝ cᶣŷː]
tomorrow garden.fowl(=chicken) also.ACCUSATIVE
"Tomorrow, chicken."