Sure thing, mate!
I don't think your conjugation is diachronically possible. After all, we never use verb forms like "likesing" or "breaksing".Knit Tie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:31 am So, this whole system arose out of mashing together verbs and particles of the modern English - I'm still screwing around with its hypothetical descendants, you see - where, say, the phrase "I think Tom is going to be writing" got condenced into one verb "Tom thymyyreecyn" /tom t̪ɨmɨːɾeːt͡ʃɨn/, the surface form of "thyn" (from "think") + "wyy" ("will") + "reet" ("write") + š (3rd person "-s" marker, reinterpreted to mark the indicative mood) + "yn" ("-ing").
Not even after a thousand years or so? This system didn't develop out of the modern English straight away, it developed out of an already-agglutinative future English.Akangka wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:42 amI don't think your conjugation is diachronically possible. After all, we never use verb forms like "likesing" or "breaksing".Knit Tie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:31 am So, this whole system arose out of mashing together verbs and particles of the modern English - I'm still screwing around with its hypothetical descendants, you see - where, say, the phrase "I think Tom is going to be writing" got condenced into one verb "Tom thymyyreecyn" /tom t̪ɨmɨːɾeːt͡ʃɨn/, the surface form of "thyn" (from "think") + "wyy" ("will") + "reet" ("write") + š (3rd person "-s" marker, reinterpreted to mark the indicative mood) + "yn" ("-ing").
Is this a question, a comment, or simply a statement?k1234567890y wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:38 pm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wari’_language
kinda wanna do a language with a similar vowel system...
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Usually either 1) or 3). I also quite like a꞉ — there’s one or two natlangs which already use it (I believe Halkomelem uses it), plus of course there’s zompist’s Wede꞉i.
I didn’t even know you got superscript θ in Unicode until now! But apparently Halkomelem uses it, and only in the digraph t̓ᶿ — it wouldn’t be so sane as to have plain tᶿ as well!)Xʷənaʔ syewənałct. Wilapiya θə nə sk̓ʷix, ʔi təli cən ʔəƛ̓ Scəwaθən. […] Səw̓ xʷən̓ ʔəxʷin̓ ʔal̓, ʔəw̓ sƛ̓iƛ̓qəł ʔal̓ ʔiʔ sq̓əq̓aʔ cən ʔə t̓ᶿə nə sil̓ə ʔə kʷs q̓pəθəts t̓ᶿə sʔəl̓eləxʷ ʔiʔ wəł x̌ʷiʔem nec̓aʔ niʔ c̓ełəm̓əte:n̓ niʔ cən təw̓ heʔk̓ʷ. Hay čxʷ q̓a.
It depends in your language. Personally I prefer <aa>. However, if your language treats length as distinctive quality, then <ā>. Please don't use <á>. Alternatively, if you write germlang, or your vowel is predictably long in open coda and short after cluster, use <a> followed by single consonant.
Question: Why would you need to indicate length if it’s not distinctive?
I completely agree!Please don't use <á>.
I didn’t even think about doing this when I wrote my reply, but this certainly is one possibility! To me it feels a bit ‘English-y’ (unless there’s other languages which do this as well), but if it’s predictable then this could well be the best choice.Alternatively, if you write germlang, or your vowel is predictably long in open coda and short after cluster, use <a> followed by single consonant.
Mohawk also uses <:> to indicate vowel length, as do some of the other Iroquoian languages. Mohawk's orthography is a little saner (from Omniglot):bradrn wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:26 pmUsually either 1) or 3). I also quite like a꞉ — there’s one or two natlangs which already use it (I believe Halkomelem uses it), plus of course there’s zompist’s Wede꞉i.
(Side note: Halkomelem (or at least one dialect of it) does have a weird orthography in general though.
Why not? It has a long pedigree in European languages (Irish, Old English, Old Norse, diachronically Icelandic and Faroese, etc.) and the Professor's stamp of approval. That means using it will give your language a decidedly European aesthetic, but if that's what you're aiming for then by all means use it. Likewise <aa> or <a:> have a North American or African flavor*, while <ā> or <â> are probably the most region-neutral.
Sorry to make it unclear, I mean if [aː] is not considered /a/ + length, but as fundamentally different vowel like /a/ and /o/. Like Germanic languages
Uh, the entire Germanic languages? This orthography is certainly underrated. If your consonant have gemination contrast, though, you may want to use <ā> or <aa>bradrn wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:09 pmI didn’t even think about doing this when I wrote my reply, but this certainly is one possibility! To me it feels a bit ‘English-y’ (unless there’s other languages which do this as well), but if it’s predictable then this could well be the best choice.Alternatively, if you write germlang, or your vowel is predictably long in open coda and short after cluster, use <a> followed by single consonant.
That's a standard Salishan orthography; it only occurs in <t̓ᶿ> because there's no /tθ/ in the language, only /tθ’/. The Salishan language with the actually weird (aka stupid) orthography is Saanish (SENĆOŦEN), which (almost) only uses capital letters.bradrn wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:26 pm(Side note: Halkomelem (or at least one dialect of it) does have a weird orthography in general though. From http://www.languagegeek.com/salishan/he ... _text.html, a small sample:I didn’t even know you got superscript θ in Unicode until now! But apparently Halkomelem uses it, and only in the digraph t̓ᶿ — it wouldn’t be so sane as to have plain tᶿ as well!)Xʷənaʔ syewənałct. Wilapiya θə nə sk̓ʷix, ʔi təli cən ʔəƛ̓ Scəwaθən. […] Səw̓ xʷən̓ ʔəxʷin̓ ʔal̓, ʔəw̓ sƛ̓iƛ̓qəł ʔal̓ ʔiʔ sq̓əq̓aʔ cən ʔə t̓ᶿə nə sil̓ə ʔə kʷs q̓pəθəts t̓ᶿə sʔəl̓eləxʷ ʔiʔ wəł x̌ʷiʔem nec̓aʔ niʔ c̓ełəm̓əte:n̓ niʔ cən təw̓ heʔk̓ʷ. Hay čxʷ q̓a.
Oh yes, I completely forgot about Saanich! That has to be the weirdest Latin-script orthography I know of! For those who aren’t acquainted with the sheer bizarreness (is that a word?) of Saanich orthography (a.k.a. SENĆOŦEN), here are some details:Whimemsz wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:30 am That's a standard Salishan orthography; it only occurs in <t̓ᶿ> because there's no /tθ/ in the language, only /tθ’/. The Salishan language with the actually weird (aka stupid) orthography is Saanish (SENĆOŦEN), which (almost) only uses capital letters.
(That weird triangle X thing should actually be X with line below.)SI,SI,OB BE₭OȻBIX̲ ,UQEȾ. ,ESZUW̲IL ELQE,. ,ESTOLX ELQE, ESDUQUD ,ESXEĆBID ȽṮUBEX̲ ELQE, ŚÍISȽ ,ÁL,ÁLŦ.
Please put that here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=256bradrn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:53 amOh yes, I completely forgot about Saanich! That has to be the weirdest Latin-script orthography I know of! For those who aren’t acquainted with the sheer bizarreness (is that a word?) of Saanich orthography (a.k.a. SENĆOŦEN), here are some details:Whimemsz wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:30 am That's a standard Salishan orthography; it only occurs in <t̓ᶿ> because there's no /tθ/ in the language, only /tθ’/. The Salishan language with the actually weird (aka stupid) orthography is Saanish (SENĆOŦEN), which (almost) only uses capital letters.
Resulting in the following easy-to-read text:
- All capital letters, except <-s> for some reason
- Stroked letters ȺȻꝀȽŦȾ (yes, T is stroked two different ways!)
- Comma for glottal stop (why? good question)
- Acute accent used with A/Á, C/Ć, K/Ḱ, S/Ś for no apparent reason (e.g. A and Á are the same, except the latter is used after post-velar consonants (what sort of language distinguishes palatal, pre- and postvelar?)) EDIT: palatal/pre/postvelar turns out to be the Americanist terminology for palatal/velar/uvular, which is indeed somewhat common.
(That weird triangle X thing should actually be X with line below.)SI,SI,OB BE₭OȻBIX̲ ,UQEȾ. ,ESZUW̲IL ELQE,. ,ESTOLX ELQE, ESDUQUD ,ESXEĆBID ȽṮUBEX̲ ELQE, ŚÍISȽ ,ÁL,ÁLŦ.
Oh, and according to Wikipedia, Saanich uses regular metathesis for aspect. All in all, it makes the rest of Salishan look positively sane… which is an impressive achievement. (I do wonder sometimes why Salishan got all the crazy stuff… extreme polysynthesis, weird orthography, nounlessness, occasional vowellessness…)
Yes, I was actually planning to do just that! (But thanks for the reminder — I almost forgot.) It will be up in a couple of minutes.