Zompist Bboard Again

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:01 pm

azhong wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:23 pmOkay, it's not unusual for me to misunderstand an English passage, which Linguoboy can proveconfirm. And your explanation is indeed very helpful. XD. (Or I'llI'd feel a bit guilty, too, forbecause I'm the one who initiated the discussion. But honestly I personally prefer a harmonic relationship to a very precise language knowledge.)

The conjunction "for" is rather literary; using it in an informal discussion sounds stilted. Using the phrase "for I am the one" sounds very stilted.

Raphael wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:59 am Unrelated question: is there an English word, term, or expression that means, basically, "the opposite of relaxed"? Sure, there's "tense", but that's not quite what I'm thinking of. "Tense" usually seems to describe a temporary state, and I'm thinking of something that describes someone who, as a person, is generally "the opposite of relaxed".

Raphael wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:59 am Unrelated question: is there an English word, term, or expression that means, basically, "the opposite of relaxed"? Sure, there's "tense", but that's not quite what I'm thinking of. "Tense" usually seems to describe a temporary state, and I'm thinking of something that describes someone who, as a person, is generally "the opposite of relaxed".

azhong wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:58 pm A simple question: Is there any subtle differences between 1.1 "that is" and 1.2 "that means"? Thank you.

My mother has got six children.
1.1 That is, I have three sisters and two brothers.
1.2 That means I have three sisters and two brothers.

zompist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:25 am

Raphael wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:59 am Unrelated question: is there an English word, term, or expression that means, basically, "the opposite of relaxed"? Sure, there's "tense", but that's not quite what I'm thinking of. "Tense" usually seems to describe a temporary state, and I'm thinking of something that describes someone who, as a person, is generally "the opposite of relaxed".

Uptight.

zyxw59 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:11 am

azhong wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:58 pm A simple question: Is there any subtle differences between 1.1 "that is" and 1.2 "that means"? Thank you.

My mother has got six children.
1.1 That is, I have three sisters and two brothers.
1.2 That means I have three sisters and two brothers.

"that is" is more of a clarification, whereas "that means" suggests a direct causal link.

zompist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:25 am Uptight.

Raphael wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:27 am EDIT: I was mainly wondering about an English equivalent of German "verbissen".

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:41 am "Verbissen" I think of as being closer in meaning to "earnest".

But I don't really think I'd use it outside of the expression "zu verbissen sehen".

Raphael wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:50 am

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:41 am "Verbissen" I think of as being closer in meaning to "earnest".

Isn't "earnest" more of a value-neutral term? I for one see "verbissen" as a negative term.

Raphael wrote:Oh, I occasionally use the word to describe the attitude of all too many people in Germany who, in my opinion, like to take themselves way too seriously.

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:01 pm The conjunction "for" is rather literary; using it in an informal discussion sounds stilted. Using the phrase "for I am the one" sounds very stilted.

Richard W wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:36 pm

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:01 pm The conjunction "for" is rather literary; using it in an informal discussion sounds stilted. Using the phrase "for I am the one" sounds very stilted.

Whereas it sounds perfectly natural to me!

Richard W wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:36 pm

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:01 pm The conjunction "for" is rather literary; using it in an informal discussion sounds stilted. Using the phrase "for I am the one" sounds very stilted.

Whereas it sounds perfectly natural to me!

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:34 pm

Richard W wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:36 pm

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:01 pm The conjunction "for" is rather literary; using it in an informal discussion sounds stilted. Using the phrase "for I am the one" sounds very stilted.

Whereas it sounds perfectly natural to me!

"Tell me you went to public school without telling me you went to public school."

Kuchigakatai wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:12 pm This august forum aside, do you spend your time reading mostly 19th and early 20th century literature?

I pretty much never come across the conjunction "for" except in Latin textbooks and old Loeb Classical Library translations, where it's used to literally translate the Latin conjunctions nam and enim... Maybe on occasion someone might use it jokingly in order to sound "epic". It seems so obsolete to me.

Richard W wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:00 pmThe opening phrase ""I must apologize, for I" gets 74,600 raw Google hits, so I'm surprised you find the conjunction so rare.

1. "i must apologize for i a comment i made in ..."
2. "I Must Apologize For I Am Just Too Beautiful"
3. "I must apologize for I am a huge johnrezi fan"
4. " i must apologize for i must appear i must appease i must ask" (x2)
5. "I must apologize, for I am just too beautiful " (links to same pic as #2)
6. "I must apologize, for I am just too beautiful " (links to same pic as #2)
7. "I must apologize, for I have no time to speak. My child, Relara, is deathly ill!" (quoting WoW dialogue)
8. "I must apologize, for i'm still not able to recover the deleted gmail address."
9. "I must apologize, for I am afraid that I have gone too fast."
10. "I must apologize for… I apologize for… I'd like to apologize for… I am … "