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Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 2:26 am
by foxcatdog
*b *d *g
*p *t *k
*pʰ *tʰ *kʰ
*d͡z *d͡ʒ
*t͡s *t͡ʃ 
*t͡sʰ *t͡ʃʰ
*β *z *ʐ *ʑ *ɣ
*ɸ *s *ʂ *ɕ *x
*ɾ *r *ɽ
*l *ɭ *ʎ
*ɺ *ɭ̆  *ʎ̆
*w *ɥ *j
*m *n *ɳ *ɲ *ŋ

*i *y *u
*e *o
*ɛ *ɔ
*æ *a

Any vowel could be long or short
Syllable structure was maximally CGV initially, VGC finally and VGCCCGV medially
Nonsibilant fricatives or lateral taps couldn’t cluster.
Geminates existed of every consonant

[ɸej.jan ɭ̆am.bra t͡ʃʰe.ki na.d͡zɾa ɣaxa kʰi:.tʰa tɛ.ɕɭan ɔ.a.wa ɳaɸ kæ.tlɛn jy.ŋas ʐɥeβ.βɛs xil.tjen t͡saŋ.ga]

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:17 am
by bradrn
For Darren’s language:

/ɠ̥ɵ́kʰlɪ̃̀ɟɵ̀ʛwʉ̀/ Ƈoknijoƙwü

/b͡pʰ tʰ ɟ͡cʰ kʰ/ ⟨p t c k⟩
/t ɟ k q/ ⟨d j g q⟩
/ɓ ɗ̥ ʄ ɠ̥ ʛ/ ⟨ɓ ƭ ɗ ƈ ƙ⟩
/ɓ~w~ŋ͡m~ŋ͡ʘ ɗ~l~n ʄ~j~ɲ/ ⟨ɓ~w~m l~n ƈ~y~n⟩
/f s x/ ⟨f s h⟩

+ATR /i ʉ u e ɵ/ ⟨i ü u e o⟩
–ATR /ɪ ʊ ɔ ɵ a/ ⟨ì ù ò o a⟩
nasal /ɪ̃ ʊ̟̃ ɞ̃/ ⟨i(ŋ) u(ŋ) o(ŋ)⟩

The sonorant nasal/approximant alternations are written explicitly, as are the mergers with the implosives. (Though note [ɗ] is written ⟨l⟩.) The nasal vowels are unmarked when next to a nasal allophone, and take following ⟨ŋ⟩ otherwise.

The tones are unmarked, leading to the following result:

/wékwɵ́ ʛà=fwɪ̃̀=kɪ̃wê wakâkʰâ. wɞ̃̀wé=lɵ=^ ʄɵwʉ̀lwɵ̀ tɵ=´=lè=tʰʊ̟̃̀tlù tɵ=`=wʊ̟̃̀lwû. slɪ́ʛɪ lù=fwê ɵ́ê=`=fɞ̃̂. fɪ̃ʄʉb͡pʰjʉ̂/
[ɓe˥kwɵ˥ ʛa˥ fŋ͡mɪ̃˩ kɪ̃˩we˥˩ ɓa˩ka˥˩kʰa˥˩ ǁ ŋ͡mɞ̃˩we˥lɵ˥˩ ʄɵ˩wʉ˩lwɵ˩ tɵ˥ le˩ tʰʊ̟̃˩tlu˩ tɵ˩ ŋ͡mʊ̟̃˩lwu˥˩ ǁ slɪ˥ʛɪ˥ ɗu˩ fwe˥˩ ɵ˥e˥˩ fɞ̃˩˥˩ ǁ fɪ̃˥ʄʉ˥b͡pʰjʉ˥˩]

Ɓekwo ƙa fmi giŋwe ɓagaka. Mowelo ƈowülwo do le tuŋdlu do mulwu. Slìƙi lu fwe ole fo. Fiŋƈüpyü.


Alternately, the following system can be used to mark all (phonetic) tones:

/a˩ a˥ a˩˥ a˥˩ a˩˥˩ a˥˥˩ a˥˩˥ a˩˩˥ a˥˩˥˩/ ⟨a aˉ aˊ aˋ aˍ aꜙ aˇ aꜘ a˜⟩

Ɓeˉkwoˉ ƙaˉ fmi giŋweˋ ɓagaˋkaˋ. Moweˉloˋ ƈowülwo doˉ le tuŋdlu do mulwuˋ. Slìˉƙiˉ lu fweˋ oˉleˋ foꜙ. Fiŋˉƈüˉpyüˋ.


Or here’s an ASCII-fied version:

/a˩ a˥ a˩˥ a˥˩ a˩˥˩ a˥˥˩ a˥˩˥ a˩˩˥ a˥˩˥˩/ ⟨a a- a/ a\ a_ a^ av ax a~⟩

Ɓe-kwo- ƙa- fmi giŋwe\ ɓaga\ka\. Mowe-lo\ ƈowülwo do- le tuŋdlu do mulwu\. Slì-ƙi- lu fwe\ o-le\ fo^. Fiŋ-ƈü-pyü\.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:04 am
by bradrn
Foxcatdog’s language:

/b d ɡ/ ⟨b d g⟩
/p t k/ ⟨p t k⟩
/pʰ tʰ kʰ/ ⟨ph th kh⟩
/dz dʒ/ ⟨ʒ ǯ⟩
/ts tʃ/ ⟨c č⟩
/tsʰ tʃʰ/ ⟨ch čh⟩
/β z ʐ ʑ ɣ/ ⟨v z ž ź q⟩
/ɸ s ʂ ɕ x/ ⟨f s š ś x⟩
/ɾ r ɽ/ ⟨rh r ř⟩
/l ɭ ʎ/ ⟨l ľ ļ⟩
/ɺ ɭ̆  ʎ̆/ ⟨lh ľh ļh⟩
/w ɥ j/ ⟨w ÿ y⟩
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ ⟨m n ň ń ŋ⟩

/i y u/ ⟨i ü u⟩
/e o/ ⟨e o⟩
/ɛ ɔ/ ⟨ë ö⟩
/æ a/ ⟨ä a⟩

Geminates and long vowels are formed by doubling the relevant vowel/consonant (or doubling both letters if a digraph).

Sample text:

[ɸej.jan ɭ̆am.bra t͡ʃʰe.ki na.d͡zɾa ɣaxa kʰi:.tʰa tɛ.ɕɭan ɔ.a.wa ɳaɸ kæ.tlɛn jy.ŋas ʐɥeβ.βɛs xil.tjen t͡saŋ.ga]

Feyyan ľhambra čheki naʒrha qaxa khiitha tëśľan öana ňaf kätlën yüŋas žÿevvës xiltyen caŋga.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:42 pm
by Nortaneous
/ɠ̥ɵ́kʰlɪ̃̀ɟɵ̀ʛwʉ̀/

/b͡pʰ tʰ ɟ͡cʰ kʰ/ <pp tt cc kk>
/t ɟ k q/ <t c k q>
/ɓ ɗ̥ ʄ ɠ̥ ʛ/ <b d j g qq>
/ɓ~w~ŋ͡m~ŋ͡ʘ ɗ~l~n ʄ~j~ɲ/ <bb~w~u~m dd~l~n jj~y~i~ñ>
/f s x/ <f s h>

fioruvx

+ATR /i ʉ u e ɵ/ <i v u e x>
–ATR /ɪ ʊ ɔ ɵ a/ <y o c x a>
nasal /ɪ̃ ʊ̟̃ ɞ̃/ <in on xn>

/ì í î/ <ip i if>

/wékwɵ́ ʛà=fwɪ̃̀=kɪ̃wê wakâkʰâ. wɞ̃̀wé=lɵ=^ ʄɵwʉ̀lwɵ̀ tɵ=´=lè=tʰʊ̟̃̀tlù tɵ=`=wʊ̟̃̀lwû. slɪ́ʛɪ lù=fwê ɵ́ê=`=fɞ̃̂. fɪ̃ʄʉb͡pʰjʉ̂/
[ɓe˥kwɵ˥ ʛa˥ fŋ͡mɪ̃˩ kɪ̃˩we˥˩ ɓa˩ka˥˩kʰa˥˩ ǁ ŋ͡mɞ̃˩we˥lɵ˥˩ ʄɵ˩wʉ˩lwɵ˩ tɵ˥ le˩ tʰʊ̟̃˩tlu˩ tɵ˩ ŋ͡mʊ̟̃˩lwu˥˩ ǁ slɪ˥ʛɪ˥ ɗu˩ fwe˥˩ ɵ˥e˥˩ fɞ̃˩˥˩ ǁ fɪ̃˥ʄʉ˥b͡pʰjʉ˥˩]
Bbekux qqa fminp kinpwef bbapkajkkaj. Mxnpwelxf jxpwvpluxp tx lep ttunptlup txp monpluuf. Sliqqi ddup fwef xef fxnpf. Finjvppivf.

/b d ɡ/ <b d g>
/p t k/ <p t k>
/pʰ tʰ kʰ/ <ph th kh>
/dz dʒ/ <dz j>
/ts tʃ/ <c č>
/tsʰ tʃʰ/ <ch čh>
/β z ʐ ʑ ɣ/ <v z ẓ ž gh>
/ɸ s ʂ ɕ x/ <f s ṣ š h>
/ɾ r ɽ/ <r ř ṛ>
/l ɭ ʎ/ <l ḷ ly>
/ɺ ɭ̆  ʎ̆/ <ł ł̣ ły>
/w ɥ j/ <w wy y>
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <m n ṇ ñ ŋ>

/i y u/ <i ü u>
/e o/ <e o>
/ɛ ɔ/ <ë ö>
/æ a/ <ä a>

[ɸej.jan ɭ̆am.bra t͡ʃʰe.ki na.d͡zɾa ɣaxa kʰi:.tʰa tɛ.ɕɭan ɔ.a.wa ɳaɸ kæ.tlɛn jy.ŋas ʐɥeβ.βɛs xil.tjen t͡saŋ.ga]
Feyyan ł̣ambra čheki nadzra ghaha khītha tešḷan öawa ṇaf kätlën yüŋas ẓwyevvës hiltyen caŋga.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:08 pm
by Karch
/ɠ̥ɵ́kʰlɪ̃̀ɟɵ̀ʛwʉ̀/ <gkókhlindjogwue>

/b͡pʰ tʰ ɟ͡cʰ kʰ/ <bh th x kh>
/t ɟ k q/ <t j k q>
/ɓ ɗ̥ ʄ ɠ̥ ʛ/ <b dt dj gk g>
/ɓ~w~ŋ͡m~ŋ͡ʘ ɗ~l~n ʄ~j~ɲ/ <b~w~gm d~l~n dj~y~ny>
/f s x/ <f s h>

+ATR /i ʉ u e ɵ/ <i ue u e o>
–ATR /ɪ ʊ ɔ ɵ a/ <i~ih u~uh ou o a>
/ue/ <u'e>
nasal /ɪ̃ ʊ̟̃ ɞ̃/ <in un on>/<Ni Nu No>
/ì í î/ <i í ì> /ì^/ <î>

/wékwɵ́ ʛà=fwɪ̃̀=kɪ̃wê wakâkʰâ. wɞ̃̀wé=lɵ=^ ʄɵwʉ̀lwɵ̀ tɵ=´=lè=tʰʊ̟̃̀tlù tɵ=`=wʊ̟̃̀lwû. slɪ́ʛɪ lù=fwê ɵ́ê=`=fɞ̃̂. fɪ̃ʄʉb͡pʰjʉ̂/
[ɓe˥kwɵ˥ ʛa˥ fŋ͡mɪ̃˩ kɪ̃˩we˥˩ ɓa˩ka˥˩kʰa˥˩ ǁ ŋ͡mɞ̃˩we˥lɵ˥˩ ʄɵ˩wʉ˩lwɵ˩ tɵ˥ le˩ tʰʊ̟̃˩tlu˩ tɵ˩ ŋ͡mʊ̟̃˩lwu˥˩ ǁ slɪ˥ʛɪ˥ ɗu˩ fwe˥˩ ɵ˥e˥˩ fɞ̃˩˥˩ ǁ fɪ̃˥ʄʉ˥b͡pʰjʉ˥˩]

Békwó gá fwin kinwè bakàkhà. Gmowélò djowuelwo tó le thuntlu to gmulwù. Slígíh du fwè óè fôn. Fíndjúebhyúe.

or: /ʉ ɔ/ <v c> /ì í î/ <i ih i'> /ì^/ <ii>, with otherwise ambiguous -ATR being marked by an apostrophe before the word

Behkwoh gah fwin kinwe' baka'kha'. Gmonwehlo' djowvlwo toh le thuntlu to gmulwu'. 'Slihgih du fwe' oh-e' foon. Finhdjvhbhyvh.

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*b *d *g <b d g>
*p *t *k <p t k>
*pʰ *tʰ *kʰ <ph th kh>
*d͡z *d͡ʒ <dz j>
*t͡s *t͡ʃ  <ts c>
*t͡sʰ *t͡ʃʰ <tsh ch>
*β *z *ʐ *ʑ *ɣ <v z zh q gh>
*ɸ *s *ʂ *ɕ *x <f s sh x kh>
*ɾ *r *ɽ <r rh dr>
*l *ɭ *ʎ <l lh ly>
*ɺ *ɭ̆  *ʎ̆ <rl rlh ry>
*w *ɥ *j <w wy y>
*m *n *ɳ *ɲ *ŋ <m n nh ny ng>

*i *y *u <i ue u>
*e *o <e o>
*ɛ *ɔ <ae ao>
*æ *a <ai a>
length marked by a colon following the vowel

[ɸej.jan ɭ̆am.bra t͡ʃʰe.ki na.d͡zɾa ɣaxa kʰi:.tʰa tɛ.ɕɭan ɔ.a.wa ɳaɸ kæ.tlɛn jy.ŋas ʐɥeβ.βɛs xil.tjen t͡saŋ.ga]

Feyyan rlhambra cheki nadzra ghakha khi:tha taexlhan aoawa nhaf kaitlaen yuengas zhwyevvaes khiltyen tsangga.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:22 pm
by Darren
*b *d *g <b d g>
*p *t *k <p t k>
*pʰ *tʰ *kʰ <p' t' k'>
*d͡z *d͡ʒ <dj djh>
*t͡s *t͡ʃ  <c ch>
*t͡sʰ *t͡ʃʰ <c' ch'>
*β *z *ʐ *ʑ *ɣ <v z zh zj x>
*ɸ *s *ʂ *ɕ *x <f s sh sj q>
*ɾ *r *ɽ <r rr rh>
*l *ɭ *ʎ <l lh lj>
*ɺ *ɭ̆  *ʎ̆ <rl rlh rlj>
*w *ɥ *j <w wj y>
*m *n *ɳ *ɲ *ŋ <m n nh nj nx>

*i *y *u <i ui u>
*e *o <e o>
*ɛ *ɔ <ea oa>
*æ *a <ae a>

Geminates, long vowels with colon (or ꞉ if you prefer), ambiguous sequences disambiguated with a hyphen e.g. /ɾ.ɭ/ r-lh.

[ɸej.jan ɭ̆am.bra t͡ʃʰe.ki na.d͡zɾa ɣaxa kʰi:.tʰa tɛ.ɕɭan ɔ.a.wa ɳaɸ kæ.tlɛn jy.ŋas ʐɥeβ.βɛs xil.tjen t͡saŋ.ga]
Fey꞉an rlhambra ch'eki nadjra xaqa k'i꞉t'a teasjlhan oa-awa nhaf kaetlean yuinxas zhwjev꞉eas qiltjen canxga.


Nortaneous wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:42 pm jxpwvpluxp
😍

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:56 pm
by Travis B.
Nortaneous wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:42 pm /wékwɵ́ ʛà=fwɪ̃̀=kɪ̃wê wakâkʰâ. wɞ̃̀wé=lɵ=^ ʄɵwʉ̀lwɵ̀ tɵ=´=lè=tʰʊ̟̃̀tlù tɵ=`=wʊ̟̃̀lwû. slɪ́ʛɪ lù=fwê ɵ́ê=`=fɞ̃̂. fɪ̃ʄʉb͡pʰjʉ̂/
[ɓe˥kwɵ˥ ʛa˥ fŋ͡mɪ̃˩ kɪ̃˩we˥˩ ɓa˩ka˥˩kʰa˥˩ ǁ ŋ͡mɞ̃˩we˥lɵ˥˩ ʄɵ˩wʉ˩lwɵ˩ tɵ˥ le˩ tʰʊ̟̃˩tlu˩ tɵ˩ ŋ͡mʊ̟̃˩lwu˥˩ ǁ slɪ˥ʛɪ˥ ɗu˩ fwe˥˩ ɵ˥e˥˩ fɞ̃˩˥˩ ǁ fɪ̃˥ʄʉ˥b͡pʰjʉ˥˩]
Bbekux qqa fminp kinpwef bbapkajkkaj. Mxnpwelxf jxpwvpluxp tx lep ttunptlup txp monplwuf. Sliqqi ddup fwef xef fxnpf. Finjvppiuf.
This is delightfully horrific.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:32 pm
by bradrn
Travis B. wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:56 pm
Nortaneous wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:42 pm /wékwɵ́ ʛà=fwɪ̃̀=kɪ̃wê wakâkʰâ. wɞ̃̀wé=lɵ=^ ʄɵwʉ̀lwɵ̀ tɵ=´=lè=tʰʊ̟̃̀tlù tɵ=`=wʊ̟̃̀lwû. slɪ́ʛɪ lù=fwê ɵ́ê=`=fɞ̃̂. fɪ̃ʄʉb͡pʰjʉ̂/
[ɓe˥kwɵ˥ ʛa˥ fŋ͡mɪ̃˩ kɪ̃˩we˥˩ ɓa˩ka˥˩kʰa˥˩ ǁ ŋ͡mɞ̃˩we˥lɵ˥˩ ʄɵ˩wʉ˩lwɵ˩ tɵ˥ le˩ tʰʊ̟̃˩tlu˩ tɵ˩ ŋ͡mʊ̟̃˩lwu˥˩ ǁ slɪ˥ʛɪ˥ ɗu˩ fwe˥˩ ɵ˥e˥˩ fɞ̃˩˥˩ ǁ fɪ̃˥ʄʉ˥b͡pʰjʉ˥˩]
Bbekux qqa fminp kinpwef bbapkajkkaj. Mxnpwelxf jxpwvpluxp tx lep ttunptlup txp monplwuf. Sliqqi ddup fwef xef fxnpf. Finjvppiuf.
This is delightfully horrific.
For Nort it’s actually quite sane.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:44 pm
by Nortaneous
Here is a typical language of the Swampish Far East.

The ɬ ɮ series is palatal, but the relevant extIPA characters don't display for me.

/ʕamχt/

/pʰ pʼ b tʰ tʼ d tsʰ tsʼ dz tɬʰ tɬʼ dɮ kʰ kʼ g qʼ ʡ ʔ/
/ɸ s ɬ ɮ χ ħ ʕ h/
/z r ɣ/
/m n̪ n ŋ/

+ Ph Pħ Bʢ

/i y ɯ u/
/æ œ ə a/
/iɛ yœ/
/eɪ əʊ/
/eɛ ɤɐ oə/
/ɑɛ øɛ ɔø ɔo ɛɪɔ/
/l̩ l̩ʷ n/

Diphthongs only appear in initial syllables, excluding prefixes. The T and TL series don't contrast before syllabic consonants. Finals are /t k ʔ s ɬ χ h r m n ŋ/; coda clusters are allowed, but mostly word-finally. Hiatus is forbidden. /r/ is typically [ɭ̆].

/sɑɛɣn̩ pʰl̩ʷχt qʼəmʕərʕə ɮl̩ˈmiɛn ə mbrɔø || ɣl̩ˈndzʕæɣl̩t kʼy pʰoə ɮl̩ˈkøedə mʕaŋmandi || kʼoə tɯ zmʕaŋ | ɬl̩t mʕaŋgiʔ tʼɛɪɔ n̪œχ skʰɤɐpih n̩ tʼɯtʼɯramʔ ɣəʊziɬʔ || tʼɯn tʼiɛɣərɣarsχt kʼy mʕans tʰl̩ʷgl̩ʷml̩ʷnɬ tsʼɔoŋduʔ/

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:11 pm
by Karch
yeah this is good

/ʕamχt/ <Qhamxt>

/pʰ pʼ b tʰ tʼ d tsʰ tsʼ dz tɬʰ tɬʼ dɮ kʰ kʼ g qʼ ʡ ʔ/ <p p' b t t' d ts ts' dz tl tl' dl kh k' g q' q 1>
/ɸ s ɬ ɮ χ ħ ʕ h/ <f s sh zh x xh qh h>
/z r ɣ/ <z r gh>
/m n̪ n ŋ/ <m nd n ng>

/i y ɯ u/ <i ü y u>
/æ œ ə a/ <ä ö e a>
/iɛ yœ/ <ie uö>
/eɪ əʊ/ <ei eu>
/eɛ ɤɐ oə/ <ee ea oa>
/ɑɛ øɛ ɔø ɔo ɛɪɔ/ <ae öe oö oo eo>
/l̩ l̩ʷ n/ <l lu n>

digraphs disambiguated using apostrophes, including /lu/ <l'u>.

/sɑɛɣn̩ pʰl̩ʷχt qʼəmʕəɺʕə ɮl̩ˈmiɛn ə mbɺɔø || ɣl̩ˈndzʕæɣl̩t kʼy pʰoə ɮl̩ˈkøedə mʕaŋmandi || kʼoə tɯ zmʕaŋ | ɬl̩t mʕaŋgiʔ tʼɛɪɔ n̪œχ skʰɤɐpih n̩ tʼɯtʼɯɺamʔ ɣəʊziɬʔ || tʼɯn tʼiɛɣərɣarsχt kʼy mʕans tʰl̩ʷgl̩ʷml̩ʷnɬ tsʼɔoŋduʔ/

Saeghn pluxt q'emqhelqhe zhlmien e mbroö. Ghlndzqhäghlt k'ü poe zhlköede mqhangman'di. K'oe ty zmqhang, shlt mqhanggi1 t'eo ndöx skeapih n t'yt'yram1 gheuzish1. T'yn t'ieghergharsxt k'ü mqhans thluglumlunsh ts'oongdu1.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:37 pm
by Darren
/ʕamχt/ Xamqqt

/pʰ pʼ b tʰ tʼ d tsʰ tsʼ dz tɬʰ tɬʼ dɮ kʰ kʼ g qʼ ʡ ʔ/ p pq b t tq d ts tsq dz tl tlq dl k kq g gq xq q
/ɸ s ɬ ɮ χ ħ ʕ h/ f s l ll qq hh x h
/z r ɣ/ z r gg
/m n̪ n ŋ/ m nn n gn

/i y ɯ u/ i y w u
/æ œ ə a/ j v c a
/iɛ yœ/ ij yv
/eɪ əʊ/ ei cu
/eɛ ɤɐ oə/ ej ca oc
/ɑɛ øɛ ɔø ɔo ɛɪɔ/ aj vj ov ao eio
/l̩ l̩ʷ n/ el ol en

Finals /t k ʔ s ɬ χ h r m n ŋ/ t k q s l qq h r m n gn

/sɑɛɣn̩ pʰl̩ʷχt qʼəmʕəɺʕə ɮl̩ˈmiɛn ə mbɺɔø || ɣl̩ˈndzʕæɣl̩t kʼy pʰoə ɮl̩ˈkøedə mʕaŋmandi || kʼoə tɯ zmʕaŋ | ɬl̩t mʕaŋgiʔ tʼɛɪɔ n̪œχ skʰɤɐpih n̩ tʼɯtʼɯɺamʔ ɣəʊziɬʔ || tʼɯn tʼiɛɣərɣarsχt kʼy mʕans tʰl̩ʷgl̩ʷml̩ʷnɬ tsʼɔoŋduʔ/
Sajggen polqqt gqcmxcrxc lelmijn c mbrov. Ggelndzxjggelt kqy poc lelkvjdc mxagnmandi. Kqoc tw zmxagn, llelt mxagngiq tqeio nnvqq skcapih en tqwtqwramq ggcuzillq. Tqwn tqijggcrggarsqqt kqy mxans tolgolmolnl tsqaognduq.

I'm assuming /ɺ/ is /r/.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:09 pm
by bradrn
/ʕamχt/ Vamxt

/pʰ pʼ b tʰ tʼ d tsʰ tsʼ dz tɬʰ tɬʼ dɮ kʰ kʼ g qʼ ʡ ʔ/ ⟨ph p b th t d ch c j tlh tl dl kh k gh q qh ɂ⟩
/ɸ s ɬ ɮ χ ħ ʕ h/ ⟨f s ł l x ħ v h⟩
/z r ɣ/ ⟨z r g⟩
/m n̪ n ŋ/ ⟨m nh n ŋ⟩

Finals: /t k ʔ s ɬ χ h r m n ŋ/ ⟨t k ɂ s l x h r m n ŋ⟩

/i y ɯ u/ ⟨i ü y u⟩
/æ œ ə a/ ⟨ä o e a⟩
/iɛ yœ/ ⟨ie üo⟩
/eɪ əʊ/ ⟨ei eu⟩
/eɛ ɤɐ oə/ ⟨ee ea oe⟩
/ɑɛ øɛ ɔø ɔo ɛɪɔ/ ⟨ae üe oi oo eio⟩
/l̩ l̩ʷ n/ ⟨l w n⟩

Sample text:

/sɑɛɣn̩ pʰl̩ʷχt qʼəmʕəɺʕə ɮl̩ˈmiɛn ə mbɺɔø || ɣl̩ˈndzʕæɣl̩t kʼy pʰoə ɮl̩ˈkøedə mʕaŋmandi || kʼoə tɯ zmʕaŋ | ɬl̩t mʕaŋgiʔ tʼɛɪɔ n̪œχ skʰɤɐpih n̩ tʼɯtʼɯɺamʔ ɣəʊziɬʔ || tʼɯn tʼiɛɣərɣarsχt kʼy mʕans tʰl̩ʷgl̩ʷml̩ʷnɬ tsʼɔoŋduʔ/

Saegn phwxt qemverve llmien e mbroi. Glnjväglt kü phüe llküede mvaŋmandi. Koe thü zmvaŋ, łlt mvaŋgiɂ teio nhox skheapih n tütüramɂ geuzilɂ. Tün tiegergarsxt kü mvans thwghwmwnl cooŋduɂ.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:52 pm
by Nortaneous
Àmqt

/pʰ pʼ b tʰ tʼ d tsʰ tsʼ dz tɬʰ tɬʼ dɮ kʰ kʼ g qʼ ʡ ʔ/ <p pʼ b t tʼ d ts tsʼ dz tl tlʼ dl k kʼ g qʼ xʼ hʼ>
/ɸ s ɬ ɮ χ ħ ʕ h/ <f s hl l q x ` h>
/z r ɣ/ <z r c>
/m n̪ n ŋ/ <m n ņ ŋ>

/i y ɯ u/ <i ui w u>
/æ œ ə a/ <ae x y a>
/iɛ yœ/ <ie uie>
/eɪ əʊ/ <e o>
/eɛ ɤɐ oə/ <ee yy oa>
/ɑɛ øɛ ɔø ɔo ɛɪɔ/ <ai ue oi ao eu>
/l̩ l̩ʷ n/ <l lv n>

/sɑɛɣn̩ pʰl̩ʷχt qʼəmʕərʕə ɮl̩ˈmiɛn ə mbɺɔø || ɣl̩ˈndzʕæɣl̩t kʼy pʰoə ɮl̩ˈkøɛdə mʕaŋman̪di || kʼoə tɯ zmʕaŋ | ɬl̩t mʕaŋgiʔ tʼɛɪɔ n̪œχ skʰɤɐpih n̩ tʼɯtʼɯramʔ ɣəʊziɬʔ || tʼɯn tʼiɛɣərɣarsχt kʼy mʕans tʰl̩ʷgl̩ʷml̩ʷnɬ tsʼɔoŋduʔ/

Saicn plvqt qʼymỳrỳ llmiéņ y mbroi. Clndzâeclt kʼui poa llkuedy màŋmandi. Kʼoa tw zmàng, hllt mànggihʼ tʼeu nxq skyypih n tʼwtʼwramʼ cozihlʼ. Tʼwņ tʼiecyrcarsqt kʼui màņs tlvglvmlvņhl tsʼaongduhʼ.

hm
Saicn pļqt qʼymvyrvy llmiéņ y mbroi. Clndzváeclt kʼui poa llkuedy mvaŋmandi. Kʼoa tw zmàng, hllt mvanggihʼ tʼeu nxq skyypih n tʼwtʼwramʼ cozihlʼ. Tʼwn tʼiecyrcarsqt kʼui mvaņs tļgļmļņhl tsʼaongduhʼ.

or
/i y ɯ u/ <i wi u wu>
/æ œ ə a/ <e we o a>
/iɛ yœ/ <ye yo>
/eɪ əʊ/ <ei ou>
/eɛ ɤɐ oə/ <ya uo wo>
/ɑɛ øɛ ɔø ɔo ɛɪɔ/ <ai wai oi au eu>
/l̩ l̩ʷ n/ <l wl n>

Saicn pwlqt qʼomjorjo llmyen o mbroi. Clndzjeclt kʼwi pwo llkwaidwi mjangmandi. Kʼwo tu zmjang, hllt mjanggihʼ tʼau n̠weq skuopih n tʼutʼuramʼ couzihlʼ. Tʼun tʼyecorcarsqt kʼwi mjans twlgwlmwlnhl tsʼaungduhʼ.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:17 pm
by Travis B.
Nortaneous wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:52 pm Àmqt

/pʰ pʼ b tʰ tʼ d tsʰ tsʼ dz tɬʰ tɬʼ dɮ kʰ kʼ g qʼ ʡ ʔ/ <p pʼ b t tʼ d ts tsʼ dz tl tlʼ dl k kʼ g qʼ xʼ hʼ>
/ɸ s ɬ ɮ χ ħ ʕ h/ <f s hl l q x ` h>
/z r ɣ/ <z r c>
/m n̪ n ŋ/ <m n ņ ŋ>

/i y ɯ u/ <i ui w u>
/æ œ ə a/ <ae x y a>
/iɛ yœ/ <ie uie>
/eɪ əʊ/ <e o>
/eɛ ɤɐ oə/ <ee yy oa>
/ɑɛ øɛ ɔø ɔo ɛɪɔ/ <ai ue oi ao eu>
/l̩ l̩ʷ n/ <l lv n>

/sɑɛɣn̩ pʰl̩ʷχt qʼəmʕərʕə ɮl̩ˈmiɛn ə mbɺɔø || ɣl̩ˈndzʕæɣl̩t kʼy pʰoə ɮl̩ˈkøɛdə mʕaŋman̪di || kʼoə tɯ zmʕaŋ | ɬl̩t mʕaŋgiʔ tʼɛɪɔ n̪œχ skʰɤɐpih n̩ tʼɯtʼɯramʔ ɣəʊziɬʔ || tʼɯn tʼiɛɣərɣarsχt kʼy mʕans tʰl̩ʷgl̩ʷml̩ʷnɬ tsʼɔoŋduʔ/

Saicn plvqt qʼymỳrỳ llmiéņ y mbroi. Clndzâeclt kʼui poa llkuedy màŋmandi. Kʼoa tw zmàng, hllt mànggihʼ tʼeu nxq skyypih n tʼwtʼwramʼ cozihlʼ. Tʼwņ tʼiecyrcarsqt kʼui màņs tlvglvmlvņhl tsʼaongduhʼ.

hm
Saicn pļqt qʼymvyrvy llmiéņ y mbroi. Clndzváeclt kʼui poa llkuedy mvaŋmandi. Kʼoa tw zmàng, hllt mvanggihʼ tʼeu nxq skyypih n tʼwtʼwramʼ cozihlʼ. Tʼwn tʼiecyrcarsqt kʼui mvaņs tļgļmļņhl tsʼaongduhʼ.

or
/i y ɯ u/ <i wi u wu>
/æ œ ə a/ <e we o a>
/iɛ yœ/ <ye yo>
/eɪ əʊ/ <ei ou>
/eɛ ɤɐ oə/ <ya uo wo>
/ɑɛ øɛ ɔø ɔo ɛɪɔ/ <ai wai oi au eu>
/l̩ l̩ʷ n/ <l wl n>

Saicn pwlqt qʼomjorjo llmyen o mbroi. Clndzjeclt kʼwi pwo llkwaidwi mjangmandi. Kʼwo tu zmjang, hllt mjanggihʼ tʼau n̠weq skuopih n tʼutʼuramʼ couzihlʼ. Tʼun tʼyecorcarsqt kʼwi mjans twlgwlmwlnhl tsʼaungduhʼ.
This is remarkably conservative for anything I've seen from Nort!

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:27 pm
by Travis B.
/ʕamχt/ <Vamxt>

/pʰ pʼ b tʰ tʼ d tsʰ tsʼ dz tɬʰ tɬʼ dɮ kʰ kʼ g qʼ ʡ ʔ/ <p p' b t t' d ts ts' dz tc tc' dj k k' g q' x' '>
/ɸ s ɬ ɮ χ ħ ʕ h/ <f s c j x vh v h>
/z r ɣ/ <z r ġ>
/m n̪ n ŋ/ <m ṅ n ŋ>

+ Ph Pħ Bʢ

/i y ɯ u/ <i ü ï u>
/æ œ ə a/ <ä ö e a>
/iɛ yœ/ <ie üö>
/eɪ əʊ/ <ei eu>
/eɛ ɤɐ oə/ <ia ïa ua>
/ɑɛ øɛ ɔø ɔo ɛɪɔ/ <ae öe oü ou eio>
/l̩ l̩ʷ n/ <l ł n>

Diphthongs only appear in initial syllables, excluding prefixes. The T and TL series don't contrast before syllabic consonants. Finals are /t k ʔ s ɬ χ h r m n ŋ/ <t k ' x c x h r m n ŋ> ; coda clusters are allowed, but mostly word-finally. Hiatus is forbidden. /r/ is typically [ɭ̆].

/sɑɛɣn̩ pʰl̩ʷχt qʼəmʕərʕə ɮl̩ˈmiɛn ə mbrɔø || ɣl̩ˈndzʕæɣl̩t kʼy pʰoə ɮl̩ˈkøedə mʕaŋmandi || kʼoə tɯ zmʕaŋ | ɬl̩t mʕaŋgiʔ tʼɛɪɔ n̪œχ skʰɤɐpih n̩ tʼɯtʼɯramʔ ɣəʊziɬʔ || tʼɯn tʼiɛɣərɣarsχt kʼy mʕans tʰl̩ʷgl̩ʷml̩ʷnɬ tsʼɔoŋduʔ/

<Saeġn phlwxt q'emverve jlmien e mbroö. Ġlndzväġlt k'ü pua jlköede mvaŋmandi. K'ua tï zmvaŋ. Clt mvaŋgi' t'eio ṅöx skïapih n t'ït'ïram' ġeuzic'. T'ïn t'ieġerġarsxt k'ü mvans tlwglwmlwnc ts'ouŋdu'.>

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:35 pm
by Karch
here's my newest conlang

Kaltan

/kʼalta idi:m/

/t ʈ k/
/tʼ kʼ ʔ/
/b d ɖ ʤ ɡ/
/m n ɲ/
/n̥/
/s ʃ/
/ɬ ɽ̊/
/w l (ɻ) ɽ j/

/i u a/
/iː uː aː/
(/e o/)

/ɻ e o/ occur only in loanwords, however, since Kaltan is moribund and rarely actively spoken anymore, they're quite frequent. Note also that /kaɻa:bin/ (or rather /kaɻan/, given that -bin is the lative suffix) is a placename.

/ja:kasti iniʃambiʤa baɬkinu tʼaminwalatabi || na:ʃagda idatabi wala ɲanta: ijuʔbiʤa ji:ʈamgi: || na:ʃagda gan̥a idi:m ganaɬʃa:nʤaɲi ijuʔbukʼi | idatabi iɲi:ʤa kaɻa:bin || na:ʃiɽan ida ʃo inaɽi:ganidaɲi | walatabi ʃo gakʼalkaiʤa || ʃo gakʼalkaiʤa ji:ʈam kʼu:ɽa:tabi jaɬmi:m ba:ɲigwaladim || naɽ̊i:tabi jaɬmi:m binawaladim ʃo gakʼalkaiʤatʼagi: ji:ʈam || ta:tabi taɲingu jaɬmi:m ɖa:ɽaginwaladim taɲinɖa:ɽi:dim kuwaɬganida/

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:42 pm
by Karch
/kʼalta idi:m/ <Kkalta idihm>

/t ʈ k/ <t x k>
/tʼ kʼ ʔ/ <tt kk 7>
/b d ɖ ʤ ɡ/ <b d v j g>
/m n ɲ/ <m n ny>
/n̥/ <ń>
/s ʃ/ <s c>
/ɬ ɽ̊/ <z ŕ>
/w l (ɻ) ɽ j/ <w l rh r y>

/i u a/ <i u a>
/iː uː aː/ <ih uh ah>
(/e o/) <e o>

/ja:kasti iniʃambiʤa baɬkinu tʼaminwalatabi || na:ʃagda idatabi wala ɲanta: ijuʔbiʤa ji:ʈamgi: || na:ʃagda gan̥a idi:m ganaɬʃa:nʤaɲi ijuʔbukʼi | idatabi iɲi:ʤa kaɻa:bin || na:ʃiɽan ida ʃo inari:ganidaɲi | walatabi ʃo gakʼalkaiʤa || ʃo gakʼalkaiʤa ji:ʈam kʼu:ɽa:tabi jaɬmi:m ba:ɲigwaladim || naɽ̊i:tabi jaɬmi:m binawaladim ʃo gakʼalkaiʤatʼagi: ji:ʈam || ta:tabi taɲingu jaɬmi:m ɖa:raginwaladim taɲinɖa:ri:dim kuwaɬganida/

Yahkasti inicambija bazkinu ttaminwalatabi. Nahcagda idatabi wala nyantah iyu7bija yihxamgih. Nahcagda gańa idihm ganazcahnjanyi iyu7bukki, idatabi inyihja Karhahbin. Nahciran ida co inarihganidanyi, walatabi co gakkalkaija. Co gakkalkaija yihxam kkuhrahtabi yazmihm bahnyigwaladim. Naŕihtabi yazmihm binawaladim co gakkalkaijattagih yihxam. Tahtabi tanyingu yazmihm vahraginwaladim tanyinvahrihdim kuwazganida.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:45 pm
by bradrn
/kʼalta idi:m/ Kqalta idiim

/t ʈ k/ ⟨t rt k⟩
/tʼ kʼ ʔ/ ⟨tq kq q⟩
/b d ɖ ʤ ɡ/ ⟨b d rd j g⟩
/m n ɲ/ ⟨m n ñ⟩
/n̥/ ⟨nh⟩
/s ʃ/ ⟨s sh⟩
/ɬ ɽ̊/ ⟨lh rh⟩
/w l (ɻ) ɽ j/ ⟨w l (rr) r y⟩

/i u a/ ⟨i u a⟩
/iː uː aː/ ⟨ii uu aa⟩
/e o/ ⟨e o⟩


/ja:kasti iniʃambiʤa baɬkinu tʼaminwalatabi || na:ʃagda idatabi wala ɲanta: ijuʔbiʤa ji:ʈamgi: || na:ʃagda gan̥a idi:m ganaɬʃa:nʤaɲi ijuʔbukʼi | idatabi iɲi:ʤa kaɻa:bin || na:ʃiɽan ida ʃo inari:ganidaɲi | walatabi ʃo gakʼalkaiʤa || ʃo gakʼalkaiʤa ji:ʈam kʼu:ɽa:tabi jaɬmi:m ba:ɲigwaladim || naɽ̊i:tabi jaɬmi:m binawaladim ʃo gakʼalkaiʤatʼagi: ji:ʈam || ta:tabi taɲingu jaɬmi:m ɖa:raginwaladim taɲinɖa:ri:dim kuwaɬganida/

Yaakasti inishambija balhkinu tqaminwalatabi. Naashagda idatabi wala ñantaa iyuqbija yiirtamgii. Naashagda ganha idiim ganalhshaanjañi iyuqbukqi, idatabi iñiija karraabin. Naashiran ida sho inarriiganidañi, walatabi sho gakqalkaija. Sho gakqalkaija yiirtam kquuraatabi yalhmiim baañigwaladim. Narhiitabi yalhmiim binawaladim sho gakqalkaijatqagii yiirtam. Taatabi tañingu yalhmiim rdaaraginwaladim tañinrdaariidim kuwalhganida.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:56 pm
by Karch
Here's what I'm currently using:

/t ʈ k/ <t th k>
/tʼ kʼ ʔ/ <dt gk q>
/b d ɖ ʤ ɡ/ <b d dh j g>
/m n ɲ/ <m n ny>
/n̥/ <z>
/s ʃ/ <s c>
/ɬ ɽ̊/ <x xh>
/w l (ɻ) ɽ j/ <w l ɍ r y>

/i u a/ <i u a>
/iː uː aː/ <i: u: a:>
(/e o/) <e o>

Ya:kasti inicambija baxkinu dtaminwalatabi. Na:cagda idatabi wala nyanta: iyuqbija yi:thamgi:. Na:cagda gaza idi:m ganaxca:njanyi iyuqbugki, idatabi inyi:ja Kaɍa:bin. Na:ciran ida co inari:ganidanyi, walatabi co gagkalkaija. Co gagkalkaija yi:tham gku:ra:tabi yaxmiim ba:nyigwaladim. Naxhi:tabi yaxmi:m binawaladim co gagkalkaijadtagi: yi:tham. Ta:tabi tanyingu yaxmi:m dha:raginwaladim tanyindha:ri:dim kuwaxganida.

bradrn wrote:inarriiganidañi
All /r/s in the sample text are supposed to be /ɽ/. I've edited the original post to reflect that, but it seems that you've already copied it before I did it.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:05 pm
by bradrn
Karch wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:56 pm
bradrn wrote:inarriiganidañi
All /r/s in the sample text are supposed to be /ɽ/. I've edited the original post to reflect that, but it seems that you've already copied it before I did it.
Ah, whoops. I assumed they were meant to be /ɹ/. I’ll fix mine now.