AIs gunning for our precious freelancers

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lmao we can only hope, brother. problem is, their children will be taken in by new and different scams.

I think you are giving humans too much credit. They have turned against socialism because of the Soviet Union's human rights record. They have turned against science and/or technology because of Elon Musk and the tech industry. Once they fall for one scam, it will be much easier to convince them to turn against making money generally.

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They have turned against science and/or technology because of Elon Musk and the tech industry.

Have they? Many people have certainly become more skeptical of technology but relatively few have turned their backs on the tech industry in any substantive way. Computers continue to dominate the world and gain more power and influence with every passing day. Comparing them to socialism implies that people have relegated them to the fringe and returned almost entirely to books and cable television.

[Torco]

I don't think you can convince humans out of making money when, as in our society, access to the entirety of the social product (you know, almost all goods) is mediated, in some way or other, by money. ascetes are always exceptional.

[Ares Land]

I don't think you can convince humans out of making money when, as in our society, access to the entirety of the social product (you know, almost all goods) is mediated, in some way or other, by money. ascetes are always exceptional.

Myself, I just hope people in tech would just stop believing that they can MAKE MONEY FAST!!! with START UPS!!! and basically stop falling for scams, just a little. That might be possible; though already an ordeal; it would require massive cultural change, like turning away just a little from the cult of easy money.

[rotting bones]

Have they? Many people have certainly become more skeptical of technology but relatively few have turned their backs on the tech industry in any substantive way. Computers continue to dominate the world and gain more power and influence with every passing day.

Why does it have to be that extreme? Sentiment favorable to socialism would be a good start.

Comparing them to socialism implies that people have relegated them to the fringe and returned almost entirely to books and cable television.

Socialism isn't dead where I'm from. The Communist Party of India (Marxist) still contests elections. I voted for them last time I was in the country. They were the biggest socialist party, and I don't believe they will be able to pull off any Stalinist crap (any more than every other party does in India, with the capitalists under BJP leading the pack). I was also sure they wouldn't win because very few in the seat I was voting for supported them, so it was more of a protest vote. Their candidate was a female Computer Science professor, the most educated out of those fielded by any party.

I should really look into Democratic Socialist parties like the Samajwadi Party since they are closer to the policies I support. CPI(M) still wants to build up the industrial core, and I have grave doubts about that path. One problem is that I associate the Samajwadi Party with small towns and rural communities. Whatever specific policies they support might have nothing to do with my life. Still, I have hopes that they support education, job creation and not terrorizing the population with socially conservative hate or anti-rich hate. In West Bengal, most non-rich people who are not socially conservative used to identify as Marxist.

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I don't think you can convince humans out of making money when, as in our society, access to the entirety of the social product (you know, almost all goods) is mediated, in some way or other, by money. ascetes are always exceptional.

In this context, I meant "trying to strike it rich". I once read a trading book called Best Loser Wins. It mentions a pattern that a vast majority of new traders fall into. IIRC it was something like they: 1. Win slightly. 2. Start losing. 3. Study trading. 4. Lose horribly. 5. Quit forever.

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Myself, I just hope people in tech would just stop believing that they can MAKE MONEY FAST!!! with START UPS!!! and basically stop falling for scams, just a little. That might be possible; though already an ordeal; it would require massive cultural change, like turning away just a little from the cult of easy money.

Exactly, I was talking about this and basically wanting to get rich and lord it over others. Under capitalism, we're like crabs crawling over each other to get out of a bowl.

[Torco]

Myself, I just hope people in tech would just stop believing that they can MAKE MONEY FAST!!! with START UPS!!! and basically stop falling for scams, just a little. That might be possible; though already an ordeal; it would require massive cultural change, like turning away just a little from the cult of easy money.

I don't think so. In almost all industries growth is either real slow, takes a lot of investment, or both, whereas in technology in general you *can* in principle still strike it big with seven guys doing something weird. combine that with the ease to sell crap to people and you get high potential for scams. in this sense, it's like pharmaceuticals, but chemistry is older than computer science and so it existed in the period where functioning capitalism, you know, with regulations, was a thing. More than cultural change, it's political change you'd need.

Exactly, I was talking about this and basically wanting to get rich and lord it over others. Under capitalism, we're like crabs crawling over each other to get out of a bowl.

man, i'm not even sure we live under capitalism these days. I'm more and more convinced by Varoufakis.