Zompist Bboard Again

Jonlang wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:24 am I have two days to myself (if all goes well) in 10 days' time and I hope to spend most of one of them to get things in order, make a to-do list, and see where I am with it all.

Well that didn't happen! I got called into work one day and spent the other doing the sort of things one must when in a relationship. Maybe tomorrow morning... if I'm lucky? I have a week off soon so hopefully I can catch up then.

Kgáweq’ and Täptäg are now part of the same family.

More money, because me like money. (Also more a revamp of an old project.)

In addition to joining this forum (hi everyone!), yesterday and today I restarted the lexicon for my proto-language for the third time and I think I have something I actually like and will stick with this time :)

doctor shark wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2024 9:37 am More money, because me like money. (Also more a revamp of an old project.)

More: show

Is that Stalin's Syringe?

Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2024 10:06 pm

doctor shark wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2024 9:37 am More money, because me like money. (Also more a revamp of an old project.)

More: show

Is that Stalin's Syringe?

One of them! It might actually be the Palace of Science and Culture in Warsaw, but I forget which picture I used. (It's one of the Seven Sisters or their Polish cousin.)

doctor shark wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2024 4:08 am

Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2024 10:06 pm

doctor shark wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2024 9:37 am More money, because me like money. (Also more a revamp of an old project.)

More: show

Is that Stalin's Syringe?

One of them! It might actually be the Palace of Science and Culture in Warsaw, but I forget which picture I used. (It's one of the Seven Sisters or their Polish cousin.)

I was thinking specifically of the Palace of Science and Culture myself.

Not exactly today... more like in the past few weeks and still ongoing.

As hinted over in the conlang fluency thread, I'm completely reworking Simbri (which also involves reworking all the parent languages...)

• I always seemed to end up with ugly phonotactics; turns out I had to get rid of many proto-language forms to fix that. Hopefully ugly clusters will be kept to a minimum.
• I took the opportunity to rework the biconsonantal/triconsonantal root system.
• Simbri and parent languages had, I think, too many features. In particular, the noun class system wasn't working well with the rest of the morphosyntax. So now it has a simple animate/inanimate system.
• On the other hand I went a bit further on some of the more alien features. Notably there's now no morphological distinction between noun and verbs, and in fact the language just has two word classes now: content words and particles/adverbials.
• I think I have a better understanding of how diachronics work with non-concatenative morphology. Also made the diachronics a lot messier and way less regular. (Everything that can be reworked by analogy is reworked by analogy, also there's a lot of borrowing from related dialects and the parent languages.)

Ares Land wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 5:08 am As hinted over in the conlang fluency thread, I'm completely reworking Simbri (which also involves reworking all the parent languages...)

This all sounds really interesting! I’d love to hear more sometime.

Ares Land wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 5:08 am Not exactly today... more like in the past few weeks and still ongoing.

As hinted over in the conlang fluency thread, I'm completely reworking Simbri (which also involves reworking all the parent languages...)

• I always seemed to end up with ugly phonotactics; turns out I had to get rid of many proto-language forms to fix that. Hopefully ugly clusters will be kept to a minimum.
• I took the opportunity to rework the biconsonantal/triconsonantal root system.
• Simbri and parent languages had, I think, too many features. In particular, the noun class system wasn't working well with the rest of the morphosyntax. So now it has a simple animate/inanimate system.
• On the other hand I went a bit further on some of the more alien features. Notably there's now no morphological distinction between noun and verbs, and in fact the language just has two word classes now: content words and particles/adverbials.
• I think I have a better understanding of how diachronics work with non-concatenative morphology. Also made the diachronics a lot messier and way less regular. (Everything that can be reworked by analogy is reworked by analogy, also there's a lot of borrowing from related dialects and the parent languages.)

Will any of that affect your username?

Raphael wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:46 am
Will any of that affect your username?

I think this time it won't!

Came up with some conjuctive clitics, and I decide that when attached to pronouns they function like dummy verb/pro-verbs:

ur(u) "and, nor"
uru=praḫni "and I spoke"
uru=praḫnisi "and I did not speak
ur=āni "and I did"
ur=tunni "and I did not"

ek(e) "or"
eke=praḫni "or I spoke"
eke=praḫnisi "or I did not speak"
ek=āni "or I did"
ek=tunni "or I did not"

kiz(a) "but, except, still"
kiza=praḫni "but I spoke"
kiza=praḫnisi "but I did not speak"
kiz=āni "but I did"
kiz=tunni "but I did not"

sum(u) "thus, therefore, so"
sumu=praḫni "thus I spoke"
sumu=praḫnisi "thus I did not speak"
sum=āni "thus I did"
sum=tunni "thus I did not

https://youtu.be/aXwFu792B6s?si=0wEk-M0uQ5H2usXc

A little interview with George Corley about Halo.

Some snippets from a comparative Kgáweq’-Täptäg etymological dictionary.

Nice! The cognates are pretty much irrecognizable - that's fun!

Man in Space wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:20 pm Some snippets from a comparative Kgáweq’-Täptäg etymological dictionary.

That's very nicely done!

Man in Space wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:20 pm Some snippets from a comparative Kgáweq’-Täptäg etymological dictionary.

Very well-done! The inverted ⟨G⟩ is a nice antique touch…

I like the layout!

Came up with a Locative case for Vrkhazhian. So Vrkhazhian now has 2-3 (if Genitive counts) case that I call "adverbial" or "adnominal" cases, in that they exist primarily to allow nouns to modify verbs or nother nouns. In this way they cannot be core objects of a verb, but they can be adverbs/oblique arguments.

There are also two prepositions/particles with multifunctional properties depending on its object's case.

śa=pruḫni "so I could speak" (conveys purpose/goal)
śa arśaḫ "with/possessing the vessel"
śa arśāya "with/possessing the vessels"
śa arśāti "toward the vessel(s)"
śa arśāli "X than the vessel(s)"(?) (less/more X than Y?)

ma=pruḫni "because I spoke" (conveys cause/reason)
ma arśaḫ "without/lacking the vessel"
ma arśāya "without/lacking the vessels"
ma arśāti "from the vessel(s)"
ma arśāli "X than the vessel(s)"(?) (more/less X than Y?)

Possessive suffixes might interact with the cases, like so:
araś-ki "their (sg) vessel"
araś-kin "their (pl) vessel"

araś-kī-ti "at their (sg) vessel"
araś-kit-ti "at their (pl) vessel"

araś-kī-li "like their (sg) vessel"
araś-kil-li "like their (pl) vessel"

I don't know if the possessive suffixes should come before or after the cases.

These clitics along with having coordinating functions also have adverbial functions:
ur(ru)= "and, nor, also (adverb)"
ek(ke)= "or, else/otherwise (adverb)"
kiz(za)= "but, except, still (adverb)

ur=rasīsan urru "also they are good"
ek=naṣabtan ekke "otherwise they may die"
kiz=tekmēnisi kizza ma aḫḫāti "still I shall not get up from here"
kiz=lagūsa urru "but he is also stupid"
kiz=namirta ekke "but they are otherwise evil"