Zompist Bboard Again

Finally updated the pronoun table on Vrkhazhian's main page: Affirmative subject pronouns must be used with an affirmative-conjugated verb, and negative subject pronouns must be used with a negative-conjugated verb.

Having a separate set of "negative subject" pronouns that agree with a verb when it's marked with the negative affix seems naturalistic enough, but I don't think it's attested.

Also, I came up with three different "ands": ur= "and (clause-level, additional)", ek= "and (clause-level, sequential)", and si "and (phrase-level)"

ur=túnni ṣā́bnisi kêsi "and (also) I didn't kill him"
ek=túnni ṣā́bnisi kêsi "and (then) I didn't kill him"
lamā́ya si raḫā́ya "arms and legs"

I really like Vrkhazhian and am always meaning to go look for more of it -- but in the meantime enjoy the snippets as they come up. It's got that philological truthiness to it that I'm a real sucker for.

fusijui wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:21 pm I really like Vrkhazhian and am always meaning to go look for more of it -- but in the meantime enjoy the snippets as they come up. It's got that philological truthiness to it that I'm a real sucker for.

Philological truthiness?

Not today, but recently.

doctor shark wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:23 pm Not today, but recently.

More: show

Those look like some of the better coins of actual countries. That's really impressive

Incidentally, I'm doing a revamp of quite a bit of this language, which likely means redesigned and updated banknotes soon.[/more]

Oh no! We might have to see more beautiful things! How could we ever cope!

doctor shark wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:23 pm Incidentally, I'm doing a revamp of quite a bit of this language, which likely means redesigned and updated banknotes soon.

Looks like Swedish to me.

fusijui wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:21 pm I really like Vrkhazhian and am always meaning to go look for more of it -- but in the meantime enjoy the snippets as they come up. It's got that philological truthiness to it that I'm a real sucker for.

Agreed definitely!

Ahzoh wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:02 pm Philological truthiness?

That was flippant and cryptic, I apologize. It gives me a very specific impression of reading a modern description of a literary language drawing on an older body of philologically grounded, or 'classical' scholarship. Which tickles my fancy.

Maybe I've been around this block too many times, but these days conlangs are less inherently interesting to me, and how they're presented is more so.

fusijui wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:36 am

Ahzoh wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:02 pm Philological truthiness?

That was flippant and cryptic, I apologize. It gives me a very specific impression of reading a modern description of a literary language drawing on an older body of philologically grounded, or 'classical' scholarship. Which tickles my fancy.

Maybe I've been around this block too many times, but these days conlangs are less inherently interesting to me, and how they're presented is more so.

I do value the presentation of the content as much as the content itself. An illustrative table or example sentence can go a long way.

I mostly try to emulate wikipedia or a grammar textbook of some ancient Mesopotamian language (like Akkadian)

Ahzoh wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 11:00 am

fusijui wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:36 am

Ahzoh wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:02 pm Philological truthiness?

That was flippant and cryptic, I apologize. It gives me a very specific impression of reading a modern description of a literary language drawing on an older body of philologically grounded, or 'classical' scholarship. Which tickles my fancy.

Maybe I've been around this block too many times, but these days conlangs are less inherently interesting to me, and how they're presented is more so.

I do value the presentation of the content as much as the content itself. An illustrative table or example sentence can go a long way.

I mostly try to emulate wikipedia or a grammar textbook of some ancient Mesopotamian language (like Akkadian)

I personally appreciate all this. Your descriptions of Vrkhazhian are awesome.

Travis B. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 12:10 pm

Ahzoh wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 11:00 am

fusijui wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:36 am

That was flippant and cryptic, I apologize. It gives me a very specific impression of reading a modern description of a literary language drawing on an older body of philologically grounded, or 'classical' scholarship. Which tickles my fancy.

Maybe I've been around this block too many times, but these days conlangs are less inherently interesting to me, and how they're presented is more so.

I do value the presentation of the content as much as the content itself. An illustrative table or example sentence can go a long way.

I mostly try to emulate wikipedia or a grammar textbook of some ancient Mesopotamian language (like Akkadian)

I personally appreciate all this. Your descriptions of Vrkhazhian are awesome.

They are. As is the language itself.

WeepingElf wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 3:03 pm

Travis B. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 12:10 pm
I personally appreciate all this. Your descriptions of Vrkhazhian are awesome.

They are. As is the language itself.

I'll second that -- or third that? -- but I'm repeating myself even then.

(I think you get some static with commenters who are coming at the work from a different motivation or methodology of conlanging, I hope you don't let that get you down!)

I made a whole list of sentencial permutations accounting for interactions between pronouns, nouns, verbs, and clitics:

1. Affirmative sentences without clitics 2. Affirmative sentences with clitic ur= "and" 3. Negative sentences without clitics 4. Negative sentences with clitic ur= "and" 5. Affirmative sentences with interrogative clitic =ki 6. Affirmative sentences with interrogative clitic =ki and clitic ur= "and" 7. Negative sentences with interrogative clitic =ki 8. Negative sentences with interrogative clitic =ki and clitic ur= "and" Editing all these tables is a pain in the ass

With some help I made a verb conjugation template using wiki code:
https://linguifex.com/wiki/Template:Vrk ... tem_Strong

Looks good -- and I never knew about this Linguifex place before, so double thanks!

I coined two new Msérsca words for the first time in months: pindir to press, apply, anoint, especially with the thumb; and stellar to choose.

I started making a map for my science fantasy human homeworld. Also been working on learning coding and making a website but that's more been the past week and not today. Although I have worked on the website today as well.

äreo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:32 pm I coined two new Msérsca words for the first time in months

excellent news.

Originally I had it that the ablaut classes in Vrkhazhian verbs would be random and have no clear origin, but I had recently decided to make them dependent on certain stem types: G-stem (ground stem or basic stem) D-Stem (doubled stem or geminate stem), and L-stem (lengthened stem).
Although the L-stem is becoming rare and mostly found only in Sound and Final-Weak verbs, with the stem never being found in Initial-Weak and Middle-Weak verbs (because of elision)

Drafted new verb paradigms for Proto-Hesperic, which still need some fine tuning, though.