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Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:19 pm
by bradrn
Karch wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:08 pm
Now that I have my computer back here's a new text:
mæ ljo bigce siʔhæʔceka bari tæn kala poel aʔloʔcmu diŋke. bigtaceʔka bari kɽiloʔnɖæ ɖiʔpiaʔceʔka bari hɽiŋ toŋgwarla ɖile ɖwa ugnturiaʔ wigke. wigla ɖwa wigce kela ɖwa muta alæʔke ljo haboʔ boke. ljo haboʔbola huŋdæke bæke. selamboeʔ huŋdæke bæke ɖe bobo muta ejograŋla ljo læʔke ɖakce basoŋke. goɽæo ljo wege. ljo wela mmwiŋ mæʔbare baya ɖokra sgwa kece giŋsiaʔ giŋsiaʔ nlugce clæ clæ ugboʔceka bari moʔmnægne buti bwaʔtarce mmwiŋ unæŋu latoʔceʔka mæ bigcog ɖæte bbigɖiŋke ljo.
OK, I’ll bite… is it Papuan?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:06 pm
by Vijay
Do any Papuan languages have retroflex consonants, though? Given especially the fact that I see <gb>, I have a feeling you'd have better luck looking towards one of the languages spoken on the West African coast, perhaps a Gbe or Kru language.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:31 pm
by bradrn
Vijay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:06 pm
Do any Papuan languages have retroflex consonants, though? Given especially the fact that I see <gb>, I have a feeling you'd have better luck looking towards one of the languages spoken on the West African coast, perhaps a Gbe or Kru language.
There’s a couple with retroflexes, I think. And /gb/ is definitely attested: eastern New Guinea is really the only area outside Africa where it’s common.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:24 am
by Raholeun
Vijay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:06 pm
Given especially the fact that I see <gb>, I have a feeling you'd have better luck looking towards one of the languages spoken on the West African coast, perhaps a Gbe or Kru language.
It could be the case that I am overlooking it, but the only <gb> sequence I see could just as well have a syllable split.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:18 am
by Karch
No, it's not Papuan, and yes, /gb/ is just a cluster.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:20 am
by bradrn
Karch wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:18 am
No, it's not Papuan, and yes, /gb/ is just a cluster.
Pity, I know Papuan language quite well. In that case… hmm, what languages have /æ ʔ ɖ/ and are agglutinating?… a Munda language, perhaps?
EDIT: Is it Gtaʔ?
EDIT2: Found it, it’s Gtaʔ; the text is from Anderson 2008, starting from line (ii) for some reason. (The key diagnostic features were /æ/ and the consonant clusters.)
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:54 am
by Karch
It is indeed Gta?. The text starts from the second line, because the first line contains the ethnonym.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:08 am
by bradrn
Next text:
Ënu achuchi bëráma nun ‘anibu ‘ia kana ñuikasin. Ax ka ‘iakëxa achushi nun xutakaman ñuixuan “bëráma ‘ia usaisa uni ‘iakëxa” kixun. Ax kaisa ‘iakëxa achushi uni an ‘axankë. Atian ‘ainbi kaisa a ui-saokin kara ‘axania kixun a uni ‘unanyamakë ‘iakëxa uinbi uinikë uninbi. Atian casi kamabi nëtën kaisa a uni kwankëshín. ‘Axani kwanxun kaisa bëakëxa ‘itsaira tsatsa tsatsa ñapa usabu.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:43 am
by Karch
Spoken in South America?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:51 am
by bradrn
Karch wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:43 am
Spoken in South America?
Yes. (That much is obvious.)
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:22 am
by Karch
Panoan?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:15 pm
by bradrn
Yes.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:21 pm
by Karch
Does it have 4 vowels?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:25 pm
by bradrn
Karch wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:21 pm
Does it have 4 vowels?
No.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:56 pm
by Karch
Cashibo-Cacataibo?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:02 am
by bradrn
Karch wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:56 pm
Cashibo-Cacataibo?
Yes, very good. Your turn!
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:45 pm
by Karch
bilä kuza amnoobi
nəmdə tarčaabərdža
bilä šejmübü džaabpi
axsaʔ ibi šejmüt
konzandebi
saaɣər bəraaba saarbi
šojdʲooba saarbi
məlle oʔbtəbi
urɣaba toʔbtoobi
mana jit hälaastə
padaʔ saɣər bəraanə!
padabi saaɣən bəraanə
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:58 pm
by Aftovota
Is it Ethiopian Semitic?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:31 pm
by Karch
No.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:28 pm
by bradrn
It’s Chadic, isn’t it?